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Specific WBS
    #18394290 - 06/09/13 08:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)




This is the WBS i have and i have knocked up some jars with it and still havent seen any activity.

If anyone knows if this WBS is usable by the ingredients please let me know.

Another reason i made this post is cuz i wanted to know where everyone gets their WBS from and what are the specifically do you need in your WBS or what is a simple WBS that i can order. More of a discussion post

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Re: Specific WBS [Re: NecroMyce]
    #18394316 - 06/09/13 08:45 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

looks like normal bird seeds man your good.


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Re: Specific WBS [Re: NecroMyce]
    #18395040 - 06/09/13 11:31 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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CaspuuuR said:i have and i have knocked up some jars with it and still havent seen any activity.




How much time has passed?  What did you 'knock' them up with? :laugh:

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Re: Specific WBS [Re: 10KOysters]
    #18395231 - 06/10/13 12:28 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Pretty much any bird seed is fine. I always buy the cheapest stuff that has the most different ingredients in it, which is basically what you have got there.

Did you knock up with MS? How long has it been? Sometimes growth won't start for a couple weeks when doing multispore inoculations.

I assume you PC'd for 2 hours? Also did you soak your wbs for 12-24 hrs before boiling?


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Re: Specific WBS [Re: ganjfather]
    #18395719 - 06/10/13 03:04 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I knocked em up with MS malabar strain. About 2 days ago. I followed the tek to spot on. In the incubator now.

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Re: Specific WBS [Re: NecroMyce]
    #18395727 - 06/10/13 03:06 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Malabar is a variety of cube, not a strain.

No need to incubate, on a shelf @ room temperature getting ambient light is just fine.

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Re: Specific WBS [Re: PussyFart]
    #18395732 - 06/10/13 03:09 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Malabar is a variety of cube, not a strain.

No need to incubate, on a shelf @ room temperature getting ambient light is just fine.




Correct. Well i have a simple plastic container that keeps them around 78F if i keep them inside with the lid on, do they need GE and light?

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Re: Specific WBS [Re: NecroMyce]
    #18395738 - 06/10/13 03:13 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

They need GE yes, light is optional, but it helps speed things up a little.

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Re: Specific WBS [Re: PussyFart]
    #18395752 - 06/10/13 03:19 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Would it be safe to keep the jars in a plastic tub without the lid on it? so it allows GE. The plastic tub would be in my bedroom, where i dont think too much contams could be around. But idk.

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Re: Specific WBS [Re: NecroMyce]
    #18395868 - 06/10/13 04:19 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Would it be safe to keep the jars in a plastic tub without the lid on it? so it allows GE. The plastic tub would be in my bedroom, where i dont think too much contams could be around. But idk.

Top on or off?




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Re: Specific WBS [Re: twistedty]
    #18395875 - 06/10/13 04:23 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Your WBS looks fine, as long as it doesn't have big kernels of corn in it I think it's good. The corn makes it mushy after the simmering then sterilization in your PC/big pot which sometimes will mess with your myc growth.

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Re: Specific WBS [Re: NecroMyce]
    #18396079 - 06/10/13 06:37 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I knocked em up with MS malabar strain. About 2 days ago. I followed the tek to spot on. In the incubator now.





Thats why you arnt seeing anything its only been 2 days. Expect not to seem much until about a week maybe longer.

You may see something as early as 3 or 4 days but thats the absoulute fastest for first signs, its normally longer than that.


And it also depends on if you shook your grains after inoculation so it might take longer (as the spores might have gotten burried in the grains)


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Re: Specific WBS [Re: twistedty]
    #18396140 - 06/10/13 07:11 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Would it be safe to keep the jars in a plastic tub without the lid on it? so it allows GE. The plastic tub would be in my bedroom, where i dont think too much contams could be around. But idk.

Top on or off?




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I disagree. If I were the OP I would leave the top on.

There is more than enough air in a plastic tote plus there is GE around the lid.

The more still you can get the air around your colonizing jars, the better.


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Re: Specific WBS [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18397372 - 06/10/13 01:32 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Your WBS looks fine, as long as it doesn't have big kernels of corn in it I think it's good. The corn makes it mushy after the simmering then sterilization in your PC/big pot which sometimes will mess with your myc growth.




Bad news, it does have big corn kernel in it:/ I can go look for another one, but the only other options there was had cracked corn in it. If i could order it online form a shroomery vender, for around the same price that would be great too! but i cant seem to find any:/ I did not shake my grains after inoculation by the way.

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Would it be safe to keep the jars in a plastic tub without the lid on it? so it allows GE. The plastic tub would be in my bedroom, where i dont think too much contams could be around. But idk.

Top on or off?




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Would it be safe to keep the jars in a plastic tub without the lid on it? so it allows GE. The plastic tub would be in my bedroom, where i dont think too much contams could be around. But idk.

Top on or off?




off for sure




I disagree. If I were the OP I would leave the top on.

There is more than enough air in a plastic tote plus there is GE around the lid.

The more still you can get the air around your colonizing jars, the better.




I think ill just put a blanket halfway over the lid so that some GE can get in and some light as well. But its not open to all contams that could possibly seep in.

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Re: Specific WBS [Re: NecroMyce]
    #18397470 - 06/10/13 01:57 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Corn kernels are fine, I have jars right now that are flying along and my WBS has pieces of corn all up in it.

You have only waited 2 days. I don't think I have ever seen any mycelium start up from MS after only 2 days.

As for your jars, you need a lid on. You want to puncture a hole and rig a filter onto or into the hole, such as polyfil. If the lid was off you would basically be allowing FAE not GE, and during initial colonization of your grains in jars, you only want GE.

You could do something like this: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18278624#18278624 for your jar lids. Mine are somewhat similar, except I use EZ felt instead of polyfil, but polyfil is fine for your hole.

As you can see you only want a very small hole in your lid for gas exchange.


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Re: Specific WBS [Re: ganjfather]
    #18397503 - 06/10/13 02:06 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Corn kernels are fine, I have jars right now that are flying along and my WBS has pieces of corn all up in it.

You have only waited 2 days. I don't think I have ever seen any mycelium start up from MS after only 2 days.

As for your jars, you need a lid on. You want to puncture a hole and rig a filter onto or into the hole, such as polyfil. If the lid was off you would basically be allowing FAE not GE, and during initial colonization of your grains in jars, you only want GE.

You could do something like this: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18278624#18278624 for your jar lids. Mine are somewhat similar, except I use EZ felt instead of polyfil, but polyfil is fine for your hole.

As you can see you only want a very small hole in your lid for gas exchange.




I have RTV silicon on the way and tyvek, just got a little anxious and used only microspore tape to inject my jars and use as a GE filter lol. I am going to make my new jar lids soon when the materials come in. If my jars start colonizing fine and i want to put my newly made lids on the jars, do you think that would be safe in a SAB with great sterilization?

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Re: Specific WBS [Re: NecroMyce]
    #18397514 - 06/10/13 02:09 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

If they are colonizing fine, then I'd just let them be and use your new lids on new jars. No need to ruin something that is going good.

However, lids are pretty important. I'm not sure how well micropore tape is going to work in keeping contams out, but it may :shrug:


If you have a hobbylobby in your town, I would greatly recommend going and buying some ez felt. Stuff like 25 cents a sheet and it is way superior to tyvek.


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Re: Specific WBS [Re: ganjfather]
    #18397522 - 06/10/13 02:11 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Way superior to tyvek, you say?  What makes a material with the name EZ, so EZ? hahah and its 25cents. please explain its magic!

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Re: Specific WBS [Re: NecroMyce]
    #18397604 - 06/10/13 02:27 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

EZ fely is just ironed down polyfill.

Some say it works almost as good as synthetic filter disks.

I use SFDs, and have 0 experience with EZ felt.

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Re: Specific WBS [Re: PussyFart]
    #18397661 - 06/10/13 02:41 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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EZ fely is just ironed down polyfill.

Some say it works almost as good as synthetic filter disks.

I use SFDs, and have 0 experience with EZ felt.





Well now that you say that. Just to my common sense, id rather use tyvek, as it is for painting, and if a painter gets paint splattered on him he wouldn't want that to seep through, but he also wouldn't wanna sweat his balls off in there, so i'd assume it provides correct GE and no moisture flow. Where as polyfill i'd assume would allow moisture flow if it got wet.

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