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Invisibleeub
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Paper Trail really a threat ?
    #1839275 - 08/21/03 11:45 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Hope I'm not treding on old ground.
I'm confused how one could get busted by just ordering spores. Even if one used a CC and shipped them directly to the site for planned cultivation, is that enough for a search warrent?. If there is absolutly no word of mouth other than you and your mirror, then what are the paper trail risks...


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Re: Paper Trail really a threat ? [Re: eub]
    #1839692 - 08/22/03 05:34 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Don't have your spores shipped to the grow location...

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Re: Paper Trail really a threat ? [Re: Adden]
    #1839754 - 08/22/03 06:50 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

You should never get growing materials such as spores/seeds sent to the same address as the one you intend to grow in, simply a precautionary measure..... (one that could save ur ass tho)


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Re: Paper Trail really a threat ? [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #1839798 - 08/22/03 07:23 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

The reason its not good to have a paper trail is becuase its just that ... a trail :smile:

It will lead others (LEO) to you.

Say you buy some spores, then you buy some equipments, then you get all this stuff using a credit card or check...

When Mr. Johnny Law wants to make a case against you its easier for them to do so.

As for them obtaining a warrant.  Well, its called probable cause.

If the cops think "it might be" then probable cause is their way in.

If someone is collecting information on you by following your paper trail, then its not some street beat cop :smile:  Its someone who has a background in the field of investigation. 

Cash is king, use it whenever you can. 

Lana 


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Re: Paper Trail really a threat ? [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #1840114 - 08/22/03 09:50 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

So, what should you do? You shouldn't tell anyone your growing, so that can eliminate other people's houses.


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Re: Paper Trail really a threat ? [Re: gdman]
    #1840287 - 08/22/03 10:41 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Exactly, you shouldn't tell ANYONE that you're growing. 

Why would you? 

Everyone has a different level of security, I guess each person needs to decide on how much energy they want to spend on it.

When buying things, cash is best as far as not leaving a paper trail, the rest is up to you :smile:

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Re: Paper Trail really a threat ? [Re: Lana]
    #1840307 - 08/22/03 10:46 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, but when ordering grow supplies, above they said not to have it sent to the grow site. Now maybe small things like a syringe or a print wouldn't be a problem, but, what about larger grow equipment?


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Re: Paper Trail really a threat ? [Re: gdman]
    #1841474 - 08/22/03 04:59 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

The spore sellers don't release your information, and some, I believe, don't even keep a record of customers. It sucks for repeat business, but hey, that's how it goes.

Use cash to buy everything.... everything!

I don't see how buying spores and sending them to your grow location is a problem. They're legal.

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Re: Paper Trail really a threat ? [Re: Superbowl Bob]
    #1842268 - 08/22/03 09:19 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

beter safe than sorry though


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Re: Paper Trail really a threat ? [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #1843120 - 08/23/03 10:47 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

are money orders good?  and why would having shit sent to the grow location be bad?  is the mail coming from vendors watched or something? id rather not get fucked  :grin:

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Re: Paper Trail really a threat ? [Re: ]
    #1852255 - 08/26/03 05:28 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

my dealer in calgary lives off her job and she doesnt own a credit card, she doesnt have a bank account, she never signs anything. cash is it. that's all she deals with. she has dreads. she's cool lol

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Re: Paper Trail really a threat ? [Re: Tasty_Smurf_House]
    #1852729 - 08/26/03 08:11 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

If a mushroom bust is anything like a meth bust, if they do have a record (ie, CC reciept, DUMB) they may estimate how much yield you could have (optimally) grown with the amount of spores you have ordered and charge you with that amount. Not taking into account trades, fuckups, and what you ate yourself. It would be really dumb to open oneself up to something like that just because you can't pick up your mail somewhere else.

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Re: Paper Trail really a threat ? [Re: Jack_Straw]
    #1854520 - 08/27/03 11:10 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

OTOH, if you're not going to be selling, and you're not going to be stupid with them, the actual risk of getting busted just because you ordered spores is very small.


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Re: Paper Trail really a threat ? [Re: Sev]
    #1860377 - 08/28/03 07:39 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

So ordering maybe spores and a few mycobags (from different vendors, of course) and using cash is pretty safe, right? I think the problem for some people with sending spores to a location other than the grow location is the difficulty of finding friends who'll let you send spores to their house/room.

Also, here's an issue - is it better to send materials/spores to a friend's room/house (which would let someone else know what you're doing) or to have them sent to your place (the grow location)? This assumes using cash, not dealing, and not being stupid.


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Re: Paper Trail really a threat ? *DELETED* [Re: Pala]
    #1863842 - 08/29/03 08:22 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Paper Trail really a threat ? [Re: ]
    #1863920 - 08/29/03 08:50 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I wouldn't worry about it unless your selling or growing bulk quanities.


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Re: Paper Trail really a threat ? [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #1864199 - 08/29/03 10:28 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Honestly, I'd rather err on the side of being paranoid.

I've seen too many people completely fucked up because they didn't worry about it.

I would never have anything grow related sent to a grow location for multiple reasons:
-Nosy neighbors
-Paper trail
-Vendors having a record of your home address

Among other reasons.  Would you order a load of red phosphorus and some ephedrine tabs to your production location?  Would you order a tub of ergotamine tartrate? 
If you are producing ANYTHING illegal, you are a fool to not cover your tracks.  A good amount of guys in fed. lockup had the same attitude - "I wouldn't worry about it".

WELL WORRY ABOUT IT.  It's your freedom for fuck's sake.  And this *is* the security forum, after all.  :evil:

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Re: Paper Trail really a threat ? [Re: ]
    #1864669 - 08/30/03 01:09 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I recently ordered spores from a vender advertised on this site. (sent cash)
The next day read a thread that they are under DEA investigation.


Who? Other than PF and Hawks Eye several years ago, I am unfamiliar with any vendor troubles.

Thanks


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Re: Paper Trail really a threat ? [Re: Xochitl]
    #1865134 - 08/30/03 06:12 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I am new and i am not trying to spread rumors, but go to search and
look for this thread "Ralphster's being watched by the DEA?"
It looks like the original post has been deleted..

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Re: Paper Trail really a threat ? [Re: ]
    #1865410 - 08/30/03 10:34 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

i am reading this and puzzled by people asking why they can't send spores to there growing location i mean use common sense. its like buying weed seeds over the net then buying a hydro kit indoor for which 70% of the company's send info for them to feds then growing there. its just common sense type things just keep your mouth shut and send to a close friends house.



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