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Re: "scientism" [Re: paranavar]
    #18376873 - 06/06/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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Sadly most scientifically minded people have a very naive understanding of the historical context and epistemological basis and thus limitations inherit to their accepted metaphysical models, that is if they're even aware of them at all.




Do you like to string words together to pretend like they have inherent meaning?

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If you really do believe the scientific establishment is any less dogmatic than other institutionalised ways of thinking then please look into the continued resistance put up against the work of Dr Rupert Sheldrake and get back to me.




You don't seem to understand something. Dr. Rupert Sheldrake made all sorts of outlandish claims regarding the metaphysical. The basis of science and the scientific method is something that can be testable and proven through testing and experiments. His metaphysical pseudoscience can't be - hence it's not science.
And no, the "scientific establishment" (wtf does that even mean?) is not dogmatic - the definition of dogma is as follows:

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Dogma is a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.[1] It serves as part of the primary basis of an ideology or belief system, and it cannot be changed or discarded without affecting the very system's paradigm, or the ideology itself.





Science is constantly updated and changed as things come out. That is what makes it different than dogma.. See the difference?


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Re: "scientism" [Re: paranavar]
    #18376879 - 06/06/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

i agree with your taste of people :toast:

*starts watching video*

its 1 am and i have to b up at 7 wtf am i doing, where am i? :crankey:


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Re: "scientism" [Re: paranavar] * 1
    #18376883 - 06/06/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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Watch the video.




Why don't you argue your point instead of pointing off to youtube videos?
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Argumentum ad Videbimus (Argument by YouTube Video)

This is when an arguer is unable to counter a line of reasoning with a rational rebuttal and instead posts a video (or numerous videos or even links to entire books) while refusing to argue a position himself. Strangely, the presenter expects his opponents to do his job by having them sift through a video or book to find HIS point of argument rather than expressing it himself directly. This refusal to express directly what he finds persuasive in the video or book renders his argument null.




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Re: "scientism" [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #18376888 - 06/06/13 09:05 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

I've been having this same discussion for years. I guess it's all getting rather tedious.


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Re: "scientism" [Re: paranavar]
    #18376902 - 06/06/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

paint a picture, dance a jig, shake things up, cmon man that's terrible


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Re: "scientism" [Re: quinn]
    #18376904 - 06/06/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Take synchronicity for example. This is a metaphysical aspect of reality that can have the scientfic method applied to it and is ignored by scientism.

I am reiterating an experiment I came up with in another thread, as applied to synchronicity.

The experiment would be to follow the participants around their normal everyday lives and record and monitor all brain activity, record and monitor all events (video camera, tape recorder, etc), than have the participants keep a journal, specifically keeping track of when they thought their consciousness or thought had a direct effect on reality in the form of synchronicity. This will test the phenomena of synchronicity as being a real phenomena or simply a coincidence that we give to much credit towards.

I volunteer myself for this study, as synchronicity is a moment-to-moment experience for myself and I'm sure for others. This is a verifiable, testable thing.


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Re: "scientism" [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #18376907 - 06/06/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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Do you like to string words together to pretend like they have inherent meaning?




Wow. So much for intelligent discussion. I'm out.


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Re: "scientism" [Re: hTx]
    #18376915 - 06/06/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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Take synchronicity for example.




lol nice try, g'night.


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Re: "scientism" [Re: quinn]
    #18376941 - 06/06/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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Do you like to string words together to pretend like they have inherent meaning?




Wow. So much for intelligent discussion. I'm out.



I know that feels. Stick around, its fun pointing out ignorance, even if ignorance remains.


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Re: "scientism" [Re: quinn]
    #18376949 - 06/06/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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Take synchronicity for example.




lol nice try, g'night.



:rolleyes:

Did you even read my post? lol I can and will test this. May even prove it, scientifically. Carl Jung, what a guy...


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Re: "scientism" [Re: hTx]
    #18377095 - 06/06/13 10:00 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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paranavar said:
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Do you like to string words together to pretend like they have inherent meaning?




Wow. So much for intelligent discussion. I'm out.



I know that feels. Stick around, its fun pointing out ignorance, even if ignorance remains.




Oh I agree. :lol:


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Re: "scientism" [Re: hTx]
    #18386545 - 06/08/13 05:04 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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“The scientific community formally adopted materialism as the basis of its belief system in 1667 when Thomas Sprat wrote a letter to King Charles II on behalf of the Royal Society. To protect English scientists from the persecutions that were rampaging in Europe, the Royal Society solemnly promised that its scientists would not "meddle . . . with Divine things," and would limit their studies of humans to "their bodies" and "the products of their hands." The Royal Society thus promised that, while scientists would avoid the subjects of God and the Soul, "in all the rest, [they] wander at their pleasure."
With this oath, Scientism became the religion of materialism, and the basic tenets of materialism became the Scientist's Creed.
From our perspective today, Scientism's covenant with the Church looks like a pact with the devil. In exchange for the safety of scientists, the Royal Society agreed to blind scientists to one half of the observable universe. With this self-inflicted hemianopsia (half-blindness) scientists can see the world objectively, but not subjectively. This is a severe disability because subjective observation is the only way that leads to understanding the origins of life and consciousness. Thus, the dogmas and canons of Scientism limit basic studies of life to molecular biology, and aside from certain branches of psychology, preclude studies of the "self" altogether.”
“…All perceptions are subjective, including those of behaviorists, because they occur in the mental apparatus of the "self." As a result, scientists who embrace the myth of objectivity fail to appreciate their most important instrument—themselves and their mental operations. That's one reason they can't see the cultural and psychological impediments to their science.”




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