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countryboy2183
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trying to learn!
#18381978 - 06/07/13 07:54 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm looking to make coco core and vermiculite bulk substraight. If I make too much can I store the extra and what is the best way to store it?
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Mr.E.Man
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countryboy2183 said: I'm looking to make coco core and vermiculite bulk substraight. If I make too much can I store the extra and what is the best way to store it?
Not really. It will dry out.
Just use the substrate calculator to work out how much you will need....
http://substratecalculator.info/
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Re: trying to learn! [Re: Mr.E.Man]
#18381994 - 06/07/13 08:02 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah or use the rest on your garden.
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Mr.E.Man
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migraineur said: Yeah or use the rest on your garden.
Yeah with a very low success rate unfortunately...
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BloodKil
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Like said it can be used elsewhere, but it's also quite easy to scale down the amount you make with nothing more than a scale, graduated measuring cup, and simple mathematics.
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FrankHorrigan
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countryboy2183 said: I'm looking to make coco core and vermiculite bulk substraight. If I make too much can I store the extra and what is the best way to store it?
I'm not sure what everyone else is talking about but...
You can just lay the rest of the coir and verm out on a plastic sheet and let it dry. Then store it and rehydrate it and repasteurize it when you need it next. That will 100% work. I used to expand and dry all my coir bricks before using them.
Also, you can dump it in your garden, in compost, or use it to grow plants in pots. It works great.
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countryboy2183 said: I'm looking to make coco core and vermiculite bulk substraight. If I make too much can I store the extra and what is the best way to store it?
I'm not sure what everyone else is talking about but...
You can just lay the rest of the coir and verm out on a plastic sheet and let it dry. Then store it and rehydrate it and repasteurize it when you need it next. That will 100% work. I used to expand and dry all my coir bricks before using them.
Also, you can dump it in your garden, in compost, or use it to grow plants in pots. It works great.
Why would you want to dry it out when you could just measure it out properly the first time?
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TheBoomking
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Re: trying to learn! [Re: Mr.E.Man]
#18382311 - 06/07/13 09:42 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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this has to be a troll
coco core, bulk substraight?
or hes dyslexic
Edited by TheBoomking (06/07/13 09:44 AM)
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: trying to learn! [Re: Mr.E.Man]
#18382313 - 06/07/13 09:43 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Because it doesn't hurt, OP might not know or want to find out exactly much he needs, and I personally won't be caught dead breaking up another coir brick by hand, with tools or not. Did I mention because it doesn't hurt?
And why would plants not grow well in coir and verm?
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TheBoomking
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pretty sure a lot of people grow "plants" with coir/verm/perlite.
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TheBoomking said: pretty sure a lot of people grow "plants" with coir/verm/perlite.
Heck yeah, it's a very common mix. They sell that mix all day in hydroponic stores as "soiless organic" medium.
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TheBoomking
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haha I love that, "Soiless organic"
yeah one friend thought it was a good idea to use straight coir.
thats like using straight peat moss as far as moisture aborbtion goes. 
needless to say, they drowned everything
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mycomattie



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TheBoomking said: haha I love that, "Soiless organic"
yeah one friend thought it was a good idea to use straight coir.
thats like using straight peat moss as far as moisture aborbtion goes. 
needless to say, they drowned everything
Ha - live and learn I guess!
I had a friend who tried using organic fish excrement fertilizer in a hydro reservoir - needless to say, as soon as I opened up the tent it smelled like death. Guess he thought fertilizer is fertlizer
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Mr.E.Man
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FrankHorrigan said: Because it doesn't hurt, OP might not know or want to find out exactly much he needs, and I personally won't be caught dead breaking up another coir brick by hand, with tools or not. Did I mention because it doesn't hurt?
And why would plants not grow well in coir and verm?
Oh I wasn't debating the fact that plants will grow on it. It's just seems a waste of coir to me. If you buy coir to use as mushrooms substrate then why throw it in the garden for the plants?
I think it's just lazy if you can't be arsed to click a few buttons and enter a few percentages to find out exactly how much you need i.e. substrate calculator. Or just work it out from other peoples teks by dividing the amount they have used by how much you want/need so like damions bucket tek, I did that on a smaller scale. I didn't use my whole brick of coir because I didn't need it. 1 brick makes roughly 7-8 litres so divide the block into 4 equal pieces and you have roughly 2 litres in each piece... Simples.
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TheBoomking said: haha I love that, "Soiless organic"
yeah one friend thought it was a good idea to use straight coir.
thats like using straight peat moss as far as moisture aborbtion goes. 
needless to say, they drowned everything
Iv'e heard of quite a few people that use straight coir. They have huge flushes too....
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Re: trying to learn! [Re: Mr.E.Man]
#18382429 - 06/07/13 10:21 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Iv'e heard of quite a few people that use straight coir. They have huge flushes too....
Hold on - now I'm confused....were we talking about plants or mushrooms? I was referring to plants with the soiless organic comment
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: trying to learn! [Re: Mr.E.Man]
#18382441 - 06/07/13 10:23 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know that substrate calculators are useful but I think that's overthinking it pretty hard.
For my tubs, I make sure I use 66+ qt size so I can use one brick coir, two quarts verm, and whatever else I want in there and make it 3" thick or so.
For smaller tubs, I use 1/3 to half of the resulting substrate, so one brick + 2 qts verm = two or three of my small tubs, or even more small trays.
For additives, I use one quart of whatever it is I want per brick of coir. WC, spent grounds, whatever. Plus a handful of gypsum.
If you end up with too much substrate, it's simpler IMO to just lay it out on plastic or dump it in the compost/yard/trash. I've never once bothered precisely looking up and measuring what is needed. Way more time is wasted that way than just dealing with the extra
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TheBoomking
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yeah theres some serious miscommunication going on here.

thats really funny about the fish excrement fertilizer! ew.
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Mr.E.Man
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FrankHorrigan said: I know that substrate calculators are useful but I think that's overthinking it pretty hard.
For my tubs, I make sure I use 66+ qt size so I can use one brick coir, two quarts verm, and whatever else I want in there and make it 3" thick or so.
For smaller tubs, I use 1/3 to half of the resulting substrate, so one brick + 2 qts verm = two or three of my small tubs, or even more small trays.
For additives, I use one quart of whatever it is I want per brick of coir. WC, spent grounds, whatever. Plus a handful of gypsum.
If you end up with too much substrate, it's simpler IMO to just lay it out on plastic or dump it in the compost/yard/trash. I've never once bothered precisely looking up and measuring what is needed. Way more time is wasted that way than just dealing with the extra 
I feel ya Frank!
It's just a matter of personal preference really it seems.
If I did that I would waste too much substrate so it wouldn't be ideal for me but I get why you do it
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Re: trying to learn! [Re: Mr.E.Man]
#18382568 - 06/07/13 10:54 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have to agree with Frank for multiple reasons. Mostly that calculator can be off or you may have a contaminated jar so I adjust my ratios accordingly. I know I'll get some slack for this but I only do 1:1 ratio for spawn to bulk. I like having 4 days till fruiting instead of the 10 day I was getting on 1:2.
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TheBoomking
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Re: trying to learn! [Re: tbagtag]
#18382623 - 06/07/13 11:10 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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why would you get slack for using a 1:1?
depending on the strain, I usually do 1:1
no offense but I swear Ive seen this, no measuring coir/drying unused coir argument a thousand times.
Harsh Reality; everyone does things differently, everyone thinks their ways the right way.
this has to be a troll thread
Edited by TheBoomking (06/07/13 11:14 AM)
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