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How I sometimes see the NT and such...
    #1836056 - 08/21/03 03:51 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

The crucifixion = A guide to personal transcendence and killing your ego, publicly.
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Revelations = the western version of the Tibetan Book of the Dead. It's not about the destruction of objective reality, only subjective reality (i.e. death of the individual).

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Re: How I sometimes see the NT and such... [Re: Sclorch]
    #1836268 - 08/21/03 07:07 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I think that both the crucifixion scene and the Revelations of John are immense topics in themselves, but I also think that you have perceived one true aspect of the former scene. Revelations is, as Christianity is in general, perceived as being manifested in history along a prophetic time line. But I believe that you have also sensed that these cosmic events that may or may not unfold historically, are eternal events in the here and now. I do not think Revelations is a guide to an Intermediate [Bardo] state between death and rebirth, but I do believe that it is not speaking only about historical events, but rather aspects of God's Nature in its relation to humanity. But....I have to run. Good thoughts!


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Re: How I sometimes see the NT and such... [Re: Sclorch]
    #1836279 - 08/21/03 07:35 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting.

I always see the NT as a Middle Eastern work.


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Re: How I sometimes see the NT and such... [Re: Sclorch]
    #1836516 - 08/21/03 10:37 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting use of the symbolism Sclorch! 


I get the impression that this whole "ego death" thing is a kind of hot topic. 


I'm wondering though...  why would one need to kill their ego?


This very word [ego] has several apparent meanings..

1- The self, especially as distinct from the world and other selves.
 
2-  In psychoanalysis, the division of the psyche that is conscious, most immediately controls thought and behavior, and is most in touch with external reality.

3-  An exaggerated sense of self-importance; conceit.

4- Appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem.


I believe ego death is not the goal that should be strived for.


I think, point #3 NEEDS to be adressed, however.


If ego death occurred,  then you would lose your individuality;  your grip on reality would slip away;  and you'd begin to feel too little without any self esteem >> This especially would likely prevent you from even wanting to talk to anyone <<  We all need to develop a healthy amount of self esteem.


While alive, your ego is a necessity...  without it, it would be like trying to breathe under water without SCUBA gear.


Not knowing your [you as in the general use of the word]  place, and blowing yourself up too much [like that blowup fish], is the only piece of the ego that needs to be re-worked.

Allowing that part to slip, one begins to get that feeling:  "I am God"...  And that is just not the case.


In light of this then, perhaps, what should be happening, is further ego cultivation.


  [Aside-  BTW...  Nice new look !!!  :thumbup:]




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    #1836879 - 08/21/03 12:58 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting.

I always see the NT as a deliberate disinformation work (just like most of the bible).


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Re: How I sometimes see the NT and such... [Re: ]
    #1836943 - 08/21/03 01:20 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

> This very word [ego] has several apparent menings..

To me, the ego is the part of myself that makes judgement or comparison.

With a dead ego:

I am hungry, I eat.

With a living ego:

I am hungry, but I had a taco yesterday and I don't really want that. But I don't have anything else, and I am too busy to go to the store... guess I will have a taco even though I want something else. If I had a steak I sure would be happy...


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Re: How I sometimes see the NT and such... [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #1837840 - 08/21/03 05:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Crucifixion.... ego def. #3

Revelations.... the whole shebang.
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Re: How I sometimes see the NT and such... [Re: Sclorch]
    #1839130 - 08/22/03 12:23 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I''ve been reading the marvel "infinity" saga that revolves around adam warlock and thanos... all of the crises are about a character, in one way or another, becoming god then losing their godhood and threatening all reality in the process. I just got the last installment: "the end" where thanos finds out that it's all an "insane joke".... which I can relate to my mushroom experiences quite well. it seems like these myths are the resonance of our most basic drama.


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The ultimate meaning of our being can only be fulfilled in the paradoxical leap beyond the tragic-demonic frustration. It is a leap from our side, but it is the self-surrendering presence of the Ground of Being from the other side.
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