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sansa

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Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? ANSWER: NO. *I* am an idiot for not specifying LC
#18355478 - 06/01/13 09:37 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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WBS is good for spawning to bulk but too dry to fruit directly. If you do something like 50/50 coir/WBS in bags would you have something that you can fruit directly in the bag?
EDIT: I didn't specify I was using LC which is why people thought this would work. My fault entirely!! I apologize to Stropharis and cronicr
Edited by sansa (06/17/13 11:32 AM)
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MattyMushies
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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: sansa]
#18355598 - 06/01/13 10:12 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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MattyMushies said: You would still need to PC. It can be done as I have just finished my own experient.
I have quart upon half gallon of LCs that will go bad soon. Since I've found agar and G2G, it serves less purposes.
These are extra large spawn bags I had laying around. I did 3 quarts of milo, soaked and simmered, along with HPoo, Coir, Verm, and Gypsum (basic sub recipe), PCed for 3 hours, cooled, shot up with 180ccs of LC.

I will be laying this out in 6qt shoe boxes then into the GH. They could be thrown in there as is, I prefer the 6 sided shape and surface area a shoe box provides.
This was all done as a result of stumbling upon this thread. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4903105#4903105
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sansa

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: MattyMushies]
#18356447 - 06/02/13 02:03 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your post and Blue Helix's in that thread say to use hpoo which I don't have. Would coir work as a substitute or does it have to be hpoo?
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Stropharis



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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: sansa]
#18356505 - 06/02/13 02:22 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Coir will work fine in place of manure.
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veda_sticks
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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: Stropharis]
#18356693 - 06/02/13 03:44 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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coir is bulk substrate so theres no reason why it shouldnt work. Also grains can fruit if you add verm after it has colinised.
Like spawning to verm instead of bulk substrate (rez effect). The vermiculite holds water that will be needed for fruiting.
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sansa

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: Stropharis]
#18403174 - 06/11/13 01:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Stropharis said: Coir will work fine in place of manure.
I'm not getting any action on the WBS coir bags I knocked up. Have you actually done that combo yourself or are you relaying something you read somewhere else?
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Stropharis



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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: sansa]
#18403457 - 06/11/13 02:39 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have never used WBS enriched coir as my substrate but I use coir all the time, to include spawning WBS to coir. There is no reason why it wouldn't work if done properly. How long has it been, did you knock it up with spores or culture? Did you sterilize it?
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sansa

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: Stropharis]
#18403718 - 06/11/13 03:30 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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"There is no reason why it wouldn't work if done properly."

There should be an option in the post form to specify whether the poster is talking in theoretical terms or from actual experience.
Yes, of course I sterilized it. I'll wait another week or so before declaring it a loss. The WBS bags I had done the same way produced plenty of mycelium.
These are doing nothing, like the coir just sucked the LC up and didn't let any of if get near the WBS.
I've got 20 or 30 bags like this in varying ratios of coir to WBS and varying amounts of LC. I would have expected at least some visible growth after a week or week and a half, but nothing is happening.
But, maybe it will still work but just be really slow.
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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: sansa]
#18403758 - 06/11/13 03:36 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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 don't ask questions if your just gonna be a dick when you get an answer check captain futures grows out(growlogs,click his name),there mostly done in bags
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Edited by cronicr (06/11/13 03:43 PM)
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sansa

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: cronicr]
#18403836 - 06/11/13 03:48 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
 don't ask questions if your just gonna be a dick when you get an answer check captain futures grows out(growlogs,click his name),there mostly done in bags
I did a search on his posts for 'coir' and none of them mentioned using coir and WBS in bags. Here's what came up:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16936881#16936881 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17533986#17533986 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15696323#15696323
Is there a post he made that I missed?
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cronicr



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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: sansa]
#18403864 - 06/11/13 03:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes the captain is a straw lover but any bulk sub will work fine
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sansa

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: cronicr]
#18405245 - 06/11/13 08:25 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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cronicr said: yes the captain is a straw lover but any bulk sub will work fine
I see. So you personally have had success injecting WBS+coir bags with LC?
Edited by sansa (06/11/13 08:25 PM)
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cronicr



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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: sansa]
#18405656 - 06/11/13 09:50 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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y not knock up some grain jars and spawn those to the bag of coir?
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Stropharis



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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: cronicr]
#18406571 - 06/12/13 01:40 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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sansa said: Would coir work as a substitute or does it have to be hpoo?
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Stropharis said: Coir will work fine in place of manure.
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veda_sticks said: coir is bulk substrate so theres no reason why it shouldnt work.
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cronicr said: any bulk sub will work fine
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sansa said:
 There should be an option in the post form to specify whether the poster is talking in theoretical terms or from actual experience.
Now why do you want to go and be an Assclown? And forfuks sake don't facepalm me!
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cronicr said: don't ask questions if your just gonna be a dick when you get an answer check captain futures grows out(growlogs,click his name),there mostly done in bags
You are knocking up spawn bags of nitrogen enriched coir with a liquid culture. Not to mention, you made 20 to 30 of them and apparently you have never used this method before. Plus, we don't even know what Genus or Species you are working with, I assumed P. cubensis and in that case, the coir isn't your problem! I have grown many different fungi on a variety of different substrates using a slew of different methods, and I have used coir a lot. I am not a fan of liquid cultures, in fact the only LC I work with is grain "LC" and that is only occasionally. The problem is your method, and now more importantly, your attitude.
For a second there it was almost like I was getting paid to assist you and you were disappointed in your customer service.

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sansa

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? *DELETED* [Re: Stropharis]
#18423662 - 06/15/13 03:04 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Edited by sansa (06/15/13 03:19 PM)
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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: sansa]
#18423787 - 06/15/13 03:29 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe you could layer coir and wbs in a bag, so you would have bottom layer of coir and wbs on top. That way you could get good colonization of wbs before you mix the bag and "spawn to bulk"
Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm a noob.
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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: poisoned]
#18423844 - 06/15/13 03:39 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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the title made me lol. im not reading all that text though
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ganjfather
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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: twistedty]
#18423889 - 06/15/13 03:47 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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LOL, op you need to calm down. You're just going off on your own and not following a tek and that is why you failed.
There have got to be 20+ variables that you could fuck up, so don't blame other people because you made your own fail recipe with your own conditions... Follow a fucking tek, that is why they are here on this website.
Make up some wbs jars, let it colonize, then spawn that to coir and quit being an ignorant ass.
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Novanity1
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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: ganjfather]
#18424113 - 06/15/13 04:38 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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OP you got some anger issues
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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: Novanity1]
#18424159 - 06/15/13 04:52 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I put cronicr in the top ten most helpful members at least in my past six months. If he isnt sure he researches answers or at least makes funny smart ass jokes. OPs tek is fucked anyway, follow the dam teks.
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