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Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? ANSWER: NO. *I* am an idiot for not specifying LC
    #18355478 - 06/01/13 09:37 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

WBS is good for spawning to bulk but too dry to fruit directly. If you do something like 50/50 coir/WBS in bags would you have something that you can fruit directly in the bag?


EDIT: I didn't specify I was using LC which is why people thought this would work. My fault entirely!! I apologize to Stropharis and cronicr

Edited by sansa (06/17/13 11:32 AM)

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: sansa]
    #18355598 - 06/01/13 10:12 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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You would still need to PC. It can be done as I have just finished my own experient.

I have quart upon half gallon of LCs that will go bad soon. Since I've found agar and G2G, it serves less purposes.

These are extra large spawn bags I had laying around. I did 3 quarts of milo, soaked and simmered, along with HPoo, Coir, Verm, and Gypsum (basic sub recipe), PCed for 3 hours, cooled, shot up with 180ccs of LC.



I will be laying this out in 6qt shoe boxes then into the GH. They could be thrown in there as is, I prefer the 6 sided shape and surface area a shoe box provides.

This was all done as a result of stumbling upon this thread.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4903105#4903105




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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: MattyMushies]
    #18356447 - 06/02/13 02:03 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Your post and Blue Helix's in that thread say to use hpoo which I don't have. Would coir work as a substitute or does it have to be hpoo?

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: sansa]
    #18356505 - 06/02/13 02:22 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Coir will work fine in place of manure.

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: Stropharis]
    #18356693 - 06/02/13 03:44 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

coir is bulk substrate so theres no reason why it shouldnt work. Also grains can fruit if you add verm after it has colinised.

Like spawning to verm instead of bulk substrate (rez effect).  The vermiculite holds water that will be needed for fruiting.


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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: Stropharis]
    #18403174 - 06/11/13 01:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Coir will work fine in place of manure.



I'm not getting any action on the WBS coir bags I knocked up. Have you actually done that combo yourself or are you relaying something you read somewhere else?

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: sansa]
    #18403457 - 06/11/13 02:39 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I have never used WBS enriched coir as my substrate but I use coir all the time, to include spawning WBS to coir. There is no reason why it wouldn't work if done properly. How long has it been, did you knock it up with spores or culture? Did you sterilize it?

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: Stropharis]
    #18403718 - 06/11/13 03:30 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

"There is no reason why it wouldn't work if done properly."

:facepalm:

There should be an option in the post form to specify whether the poster is talking in theoretical terms or from actual experience.

Yes, of course I sterilized it. I'll wait another week or so before declaring it a loss. The WBS bags I had done the same way produced plenty of mycelium.

These are doing nothing, like the coir just sucked the LC up and didn't let any of if get near the WBS.

I've got 20 or 30 bags like this in varying ratios of coir to WBS and varying amounts of LC. I would have expected at least some visible growth after a week or week and a half, but nothing is happening.

But, maybe it will still work but just be really slow.

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: sansa]
    #18403758 - 06/11/13 03:36 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

:smbfacepalm:
don't ask questions if your just gonna be a dick when you get an answer
check captain futures grows out(growlogs,click his name),there mostly done in bags


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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: cronicr]
    #18403836 - 06/11/13 03:48 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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don't ask questions if your just gonna be a dick when you get an answer
check captain futures grows out(growlogs,click his name),there mostly done in bags



I did a search on his posts for 'coir' and none of them mentioned using coir and WBS in bags. Here's what came up:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16936881#16936881
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17533986#17533986
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15696323#15696323

Is there a post he made that I missed?

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: sansa]
    #18403864 - 06/11/13 03:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

yes the captain is a straw lover but any bulk sub will work fine


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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: cronicr]
    #18405245 - 06/11/13 08:25 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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yes the captain is a straw lover but any bulk sub will work fine



I see. So you personally have had success injecting WBS+coir bags with LC?

Edited by sansa (06/11/13 08:25 PM)

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: sansa]
    #18405656 - 06/11/13 09:50 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

y not knock up some grain jars and spawn those to the bag of coir?


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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: cronicr]
    #18406571 - 06/12/13 01:40 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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sansa said:
Would coir work as a substitute or does it have to be hpoo?




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Coir will work fine in place of manure.




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coir is bulk substrate so theres no reason why it shouldnt work.





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any bulk sub will work fine





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sansa said:
:facepalm:
There should be an option in the post form to specify whether the poster is talking in theoretical terms or from actual experience.





Now why do you want to go and be an Assclown? And forfuks sake don't facepalm me!

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don't ask questions if your just gonna be a dick when you get an answer
check captain futures grows out(growlogs,click his name),there mostly done in bags




You are knocking up spawn bags of nitrogen enriched coir with a liquid culture.
Not to mention, you made 20 to 30 of them and apparently you have never used this method before.:bubbles:
Plus, we don't even know what Genus or Species you are working with, I assumed P. cubensis and in that case, the coir isn't your problem! I have grown many different fungi on a variety of different substrates using a slew of different methods, and I have used coir a lot. I am not a fan of liquid cultures, in fact the only LC I work with is grain "LC" and that is only occasionally.  The problem is your method, and now more importantly, your attitude.

For a second there it was almost like I was getting paid to assist you and you were disappointed in your customer service.

:sploosh:

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? *DELETED* [Re: Stropharis]
    #18423662 - 06/15/13 03:04 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: sansa]
    #18423787 - 06/15/13 03:29 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe you could layer coir and wbs in a bag, so you would have bottom layer of coir and wbs on top. That way you could get good colonization of wbs before you mix the bag and "spawn to bulk"

Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm a noob.


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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: poisoned]
    #18423844 - 06/15/13 03:39 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

the title made me lol. im not reading all that text though :smile:

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: twistedty]
    #18423889 - 06/15/13 03:47 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

LOL, op you need to calm down. You're just going off on your own and not following a tek and that is why you failed.

There have got to be 20+ variables that you could fuck up, so don't blame other people because you made your own fail recipe with your own conditions... Follow a fucking tek, that is why they are here on this website.

Make up some wbs jars, let it colonize, then spawn that to coir and quit being an ignorant ass.


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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: ganjfather]
    #18424113 - 06/15/13 04:38 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

OP you got some anger issues

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: Novanity1]
    #18424159 - 06/15/13 04:52 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

:nowaydude:  I put cronicr in the top ten most helpful members at least in my past six months.  If he isnt sure he researches answers or at least makes funny smart ass jokes.  OPs tek is fucked anyway, follow the dam teks.


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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: thundahoof]
    #18424207 - 06/15/13 05:12 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: cronicr]
    #18424254 - 06/15/13 05:22 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

just to clear the air here sansa nobody gave you bad advise, you just never included enough details right from the start, you never mentioned the lc until it was time for you to start name calling, just because we haven't tried it doesn't make the premise anydifrent, cubes have fruiting requirements that can be met in a variety of ways, hit those requirements and they will grow, don't get all upset i never intended to hurt your feelings:cool:

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Now that it's been over two weeks and I have not gotten any growth, I can speak from experience, NOT theory, and state that this definitely does not work.





your mistake, no need for the definite there's nuthing solid to show that
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I've done the exact procedure before with WBS and verm and gotten plenty of growth. The only change I made was replacing the verm with coir, just like I said in the post. The problem is NOT my method, the problem is the tek itself cannot work at all.





the problem is your method, there's no reason for any type of growth not to work unless it was contammed from the start, test your lc's before using


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The problem is that the coir just sucks up the LC away from the WBS. All combinations of ratios of WBS to coir and various moisture levels all led to the same result: No growth.

The myc probably has to be in a nonliquid form to work. Agar wedge into WBS+coir might work. I may try that. But LC into coir simply does not.





thats y your best bet would be to start with grain first, you would know how your lc was gonna perform.
again i say that if you did it correctly there's no reason it wouldn't work but it's never gonna be the practical route to take.......gl to you in the future and hopefullly you get into agar sooner then later oh and................. :fuckyou:

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: cronicr]
    #18426084 - 06/16/13 02:14 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

This isn't the first time you have made it clear how big of a Douche you are sansa.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18135103/fpart/7/vc/1


You got your panties up in a bunch for no reason again.

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: Stropharis]
    #18426128 - 06/16/13 02:42 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

:lmafo:  uses fail methodology on large scale and throws shit fit...


And not poisoned that isn't stupid at all...  (would have likely colonized much faster I would think...  of course that's assuming it colonized at all which sansas lc doesn't seem to be doing)

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? ANSWER: YES. Stropharis and cronicr are awesome! [Re: BloodKil]
    #18426185 - 06/16/13 03:15 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Poisoned has the right idea.

I've personally done almost exactly as what was posted in the OP. LC inoculated bags of WBS/coir. The bags were sterilized, but not mixed up. All of the grain was left on the top of the bag, with the substrate under it. The LC colonized the WBS without issue, and then the bags were broken up and shaken.

Slightly slower overall colonization ensued and then invitro fruiting.

It was quite awhile back, I didn't document or photograph any of it. But I can say first hand that this method will work for cubes. Assuming you have a tried and true, clean LC anyway.

Seems like I remember someone calling this method a "Carlito bag", though I'm not sure on that.

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: cronicr]
    #18431589 - 06/17/13 11:34 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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just to clear the air here sansa nobody gave you bad advise, you just never included enough details right from the start, you never mentioned the lc until it was time for you to start name calling



Actually you're right. I thought I had mentioned the use of LC in the first post but it wasn't until the second post that LC was mentioned. So you are entirely right and I was wrong. I apologize to both you and Stropharis for not having described what I intended to do in the OP completely.

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: Stropharis]
    #18431599 - 06/17/13 11:38 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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This isn't the first time you have made it clear how big of a Douche you are sansa.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18135103/fpart/7/vc/1


You got your panties up in a bunch for no reason again.



I apologize to both you and Stropharis for not having described the use of LC in the OP. That link doesn't go anywhere?

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: poisoned]
    #18431603 - 06/17/13 11:39 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Maybe you could layer coir and wbs in a bag, so you would have bottom layer of coir and wbs on top. That way you could get good colonization of wbs before you mix the bag and "spawn to bulk"

Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm a noob.



That sounds like it could work although I would be very nervous about the moist coir sitting there doing nothing, possibly growing bacteria while the wbs colonized.

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Re: Will WBS+coir bags fruit directly? [Re: sansa]
    #18431747 - 06/17/13 12:23 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I think the things you have to keep in mind with coir in this situation are:
A, Go easy on the water. Coir can easily hold enough to drown a weak culture, and still feel kind of dry to the touch. Give it a good squeeze as you load it in.
B, Make an "injection site". A golf ball sized clump of grain where the culture can start off.
C, Don't max out the bags. I recently did this mistake with grass seed. Just because a bag can hold 2.5 lbs of substrate does not make it a good idea. It works for rye but it's basically too difficult to keep denser substrates aerated.

Those are my 2c and it's all just hear say.


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