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1st pins, update in 1st post
    #18354213 - 06/01/13 03:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I just saw my first pin in my only cake that made it so far.
The FC has a sponge with aquarium rocks since i could not get perlite at the time.
I have more jars coming and will make a real FC this weekend





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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18354220 - 06/01/13 03:51 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

He's cute!


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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18354224 - 06/01/13 03:52 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: B_BOY]
    #18354397 - 06/01/13 04:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

:highfive:
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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: TheCyndicate]
    #18354535 - 06/01/13 05:11 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

52 days from inoculation to first pin.
Just got some perlite, birthing another cake today and making a better FC

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18354989 - 06/01/13 07:37 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

New FC. One is empty the cake is being dunked and ill put it in its FC tomorrow



Any suggestions on a even better FC? In one week I will have a few more cakes ready

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18355014 - 06/01/13 07:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Watch part three  for a ShotGunFC. Watch all the videos for lots of info.
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek


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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GMS]
    #18355030 - 06/01/13 07:47 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

:prance:

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: Jman420]
    #18355281 - 06/01/13 08:44 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

One thing I like is turning disposable turkey roasting pans with plastic lids into a mini mono tub with 2 brf cakes. Search those things I said and you should be able to find the tek on here I learned that from. Congrats on the grow! I just saw my first pins in my mini tub today too. Always exciting!


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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenHorns]
    #18355621 - 06/01/13 10:20 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

How often should I can and mist? Currently I am misting 3 times a day and fanning 6 times a day.
Should I leave the cap off the bottle at all?

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18355654 - 06/01/13 10:26 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

mist when you can no longer see moisture on the surface


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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #18355715 - 06/01/13 10:36 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

now you need a mono grow!!


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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: first time expert]
    #18355740 - 06/01/13 10:41 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

what cap off what bottle?


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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #18355905 - 06/01/13 11:20 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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what cap off what bottle?




In the picture.. It's an adjusted soda bottle tek

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18355930 - 06/01/13 11:24 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

duh, sorry my bad, when i did it in a bottle i stuffed the top loosely with poly


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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #18356031 - 06/01/13 11:44 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Is there a point to that if you have to fan anyway?

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18356054 - 06/01/13 11:48 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

for that set up i'd say just stab some holes in the pop bottle


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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #18356076 - 06/01/13 11:52 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

And stop fanning? What size holes and how many?

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18356167 - 06/02/13 12:15 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

no never stop fanning just poke a few holes in it to get some passive fae, much like a sgfc just small holes would be fine, don't over think it


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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #18356216 - 06/02/13 12:33 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Convection moves air in the bottle. I think taking off the lid would be more effective for passive FAE

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18356236 - 06/02/13 12:41 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

yep thats y i just poked a few holes and stuffed the lid with poly, but cubes are hardy and like weeds





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    #18357032 - 06/02/13 07:05 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Tasty, congrats on your hard work :smile:


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    #18357558 - 06/02/13 09:54 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Ha! I've never seen that before I love it. Like having fresh dose sized jars ready for picking.


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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenHorns]
    #18358142 - 06/02/13 12:18 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I'm having some humidity issues with the soda bottle. I don't see any condensation on the bottle. How can I increase humidity in the FC pictured above?

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18358158 - 06/02/13 12:20 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

mist the cake, that gives you 95-99 percent humidty on the surface where it matters


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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #18358186 - 06/02/13 12:29 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Ok. So it should always be wet? I thought I was supposed to fan until the cake wasnt wet

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18358203 - 06/02/13 12:33 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

no just mist then fan for 30 seconds or so, you just want the stale air out, then mist again when there's no more moisture on the surface


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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18358262 - 06/02/13 12:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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I'm having some humidity issues with the soda bottle. I don't see any condensation on the bottle.



Condensation has nothing to do with the humidity in the FC.

Condensation is from a temperature differential.

To increase the humidity, mist and fan more.

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18369678 - 06/04/13 08:24 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I think the slow growth is due to lack of evaporation so I switched the bottoms to fit a few  inches of perlite rather than just one


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    #18378500 - 06/06/13 03:40 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Unfortunately the cake slid into the bottle yesterday and the only pin broke.. But the cake has recovered with 30+ pins. Some are tiny but here's what I have now.

Is it possible that breaking that first pin off triggered the cake to make more? It had the one pin for 3 days without others. Then after it broke a bunch came.

Or is it just a coincidence and these pins would have showed up even if I hadn't broken it?

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    #18378508 - 06/06/13 03:43 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Forgot the pictures





Same cake different sides. One of those pins will fall off soon but there's plenty

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18378631 - 06/06/13 04:05 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

i wouldn't doubt it but it sounds a little far fetched, wouldn't that be a discovery though hey, pluck the first one and an army shows up lol! looking good though


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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #18378909 - 06/06/13 05:07 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

That little cake looks pretty dry. Mist/fan, soak if needed


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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18379243 - 06/06/13 06:13 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I do, a lot. I took the cake out of the FC to take the picture, it was in the morning so it dried overnight.
I don't like the soda bottle FC at all though ill be working on a shotgun tub soon as I have 4 more jars ready.

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18379264 - 06/06/13 06:18 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It shouldn't be that dry at any time other than immediately before harvest.
Just a tip.
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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18379342 - 06/06/13 06:32 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

That's good to know thanks, but how do i keep the cake from drying out overnight? Even if I soak them they are still dry by morning

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18379433 - 06/06/13 06:47 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hmmm. Sounds like maybe:
You have too much airflow from somewhere.
You have too little perlite or it isn't wet enough.

Mushrooms are 90% water.
Fruits from a dry cake would be a miracle.

Ok. Looking at the pics...
You could easily make this soda bottle idea work but probably not with no top.
Any air surrent and you're looking at low RH and dry cakes.

I haD a buddy amaze me once with a simple soda bottle setup.
Amazing because he didn't know shit. It worked good tho.
Little knife slits in the sides.  Humidity and hole size have a direct correlation.


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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18382414 - 06/07/13 10:16 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

If I can keep the cakes wet constantly through the day do I need to have to bottles on at all during this time?

Are the bottles just to keep the cakes from drying out?

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    #18382476 - 06/07/13 10:31 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)





Is that an abort on top? Should I pick it right away?

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    #18382723 - 06/07/13 11:37 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

You need SOMETHING , even if its a bottle, that doesnt gush humidity.
If left out, they dry up within a couple hours. That's silly.  They still look dry.

Listen man.  Dryness is mushroom death. 

Mushroom= 90% water

You want evaporation of moisture from the cake.
That's the 1st strong pinning trigger.
for evap to occur, there must be moisture there in the 1st place...
Staring at it won't wet it. Manually intervene.

Mist & fan heavily every 6 to 12 hrs. Put it in something that retains high humidity but that breathes slightly so c02 can escape


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    #18387406 - 06/08/13 11:25 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18389173 - 06/08/13 07:05 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Looking good. Get a tub going!

Now, are you going to put those aquarium rocks in to your tank when it's all said and done with?

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: Intrepid-Traveler]
    #18390827 - 06/09/13 01:02 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Day 2 Nighttime. The one that was dangling fell of midday along with a few small pins and the biggest one has its veil beginning to break so I'm picking it.


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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18390837 - 06/09/13 01:05 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I see some coming off the bottom there, someone wanna tell me what caused that?


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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: lakeerie808]
    #18390848 - 06/09/13 01:07 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Just some bottom pins trying to find the light. One made it out to the edge today haha.

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18390855 - 06/09/13 01:09 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, it was on a jar lid at first. This caused it to allow light in to the bottom from the edge and also because the jar lid was flat it allowed a LOT of humidity there so pinning occurred due to those triggers. From now on I use foil because it sticks and forms to the bottom of the cake and stops both that light and humidity

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18390859 - 06/09/13 01:12 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

what did you get like 8 or 9 grams wet>? and you gotta love the learning experience I love figuring some things out on my own


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    #18391036 - 06/09/13 02:14 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Ha good call, yea off the one that fell, the pins and the one I actually picked today I got just under 10g wet. I've started drying them and they've lost over half the weight within 3 hours. Fan drying is pretty efficient if you don't live somewhere too humid

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18391058 - 06/09/13 02:29 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Your bottom pins weren't caused by light leaks. Most likely it was an area of good moisture.
Cakes pin all over at the whim of the mycelium.
Don't sweat it & don't sweat preventing it.
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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18391967 - 06/09/13 11:23 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

from my understanding wet weight is about 4x what it will weigh dry, not always tho, but its a good estimate <<please correct me if im wrong


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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: lakeerie808]
    #18392160 - 06/09/13 12:01 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

mushrooms are about 90 percent water so they should dry to about 10 percent of the wet weight


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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #18392870 - 06/09/13 03:17 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Day 3:  some veils broken some breaking. I picked the 3 larger ones today for another 6 grams wet.
And yes, that 5 grams wet yesterday has dried to about half a gram.



Doesn't look as great after losing those big ones but I have them drying already.
I think I've found the laziest way to dry shrooms ever.. Although I'm sure someone beat me to this haha.


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2nd Flush? Pins not growing [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18407685 - 06/12/13 10:19 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

So after I picked about 10 grams wet off of that cake, there were still pins on it and I considered this a fist flush still. But none of those pins have grown in days, and some at it bottom that were touching perlite had their caps burst or break off.

Is this a result of direct contact with perlite?

I do have foil underneath but the perlite moved quite a bit. The others not at the bottom seem weak and bendy, not like the first pins at all.

Am I doing anything wrong to cause this?

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18444609 - 06/19/13 09:21 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Update and bump

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18444493

Total dry off both cakes 1 flushes 3 grams

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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18444989 - 06/19/13 10:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

nice flush:thumbup: you should get into bulk next you can pull in like 100 to 200x that


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Re: 1st pin!!! [Re: kinkaku]
    #18445087 - 06/19/13 11:09 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I have 12 jars of PE colonizing I plan on doing two small casing in the same tub after these cakes. But for now I'm excited to see what 8 cakes in a shotgun since birth can do. The others were grown in weak terrariums for first flushes

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