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Syrian Rue tea + Smoked DMT
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TLDR: Syrian rue tea before smoked DMT seems to prolong the experience considerably (obviously). The rapid come up is smoothed out. The experience is slower and easier to take in. I now prefer to use smoked DMT with a RIMA, I won't do DMT alone if I have a RIMA on hand.






I was going to write this up as a trip report, but most of the details and internal aspect of the experience is personal and ineffable as always...So I thought I would make a thread about syrian rue tea drank prior to smoked DMT as more of a discussion. Curious to hear from any others that have tried it or any other harmala alkaloid containing plants before smoked DMT.


Only recently have I started to work with harmala alkaloids. I plan on doing a proper ayahuasca brew in the near future, but for the time being I've just been working with smoked DMT.


I crushed approximately 3 to 4 grams of syrian rue and put the coarsely crushed seeds in a muslin tea bag. I placed the tea bag in pot with a few cups of water, added a small amount of vinegar in hopes of pulling out more alkaloids, and brewed with a mild simmer for 20 minutes. I poured the tea into a cup and placed the tea bag in it as well to steep while it cooled.


I ended up drinking about 1/2 of the cup, so roughly 1.5 to 2.5 grams worth of syrian rue. I felt the calm, dreamy, somewhat sedated and stoned faintly psychedelic effects of the tea come on within 5 minutes after the first gulp (I'm pretty sensitive to things, especially plants, I feel them almost as soon as they're in my body). I took another large drink ten minutes later, the effects of the rue become more pronounced over the next 45 minutes.


Somewhere around a hour after drinking the rue I managed to fall asleep for an hour. I woke up still feeling the effects, and proceeded to prepare the pipe with DMT. About 20mg to 30mg of DMT was placed between a small amount of cannabis and a sliver of dried mullein, in the bowl of a small cannabis pipe. Before smoking the DMT I took 3 large tokes of syrian rue seeds out of a bong.





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So here is the differences I noticed when using a RIMA in combination with smoked DMT, compared to smoked DMT alone...



I've never really been all that anxious when it comes to DMT, so as long as the setting is safe, quiet, and comfortable, I have no worries. But with the syrian rue in my body, there was not the slightest hint of apprehension, I was as calm as could be.


It seems to smooth out the experience in general. If DMT alone is lumpy butter on toast, the rue is like a butter knife that smooths out the butter to a perfect consistency, filling in all the nooks and crannies. The come up is slowed down. The headspace/level of intensity I was at when I exhaled the first hit is about where I usually am half way into hitting the pipe on the first go with out rue involved. The buzzing/vibrations and intensity in general slowly build up, rather than being jolted, it was a gradually increasing stronger pull instead of a solid push...like a rubber-band effect (if that makes sense).


It felt like I was able to actually observe and take in the experience more than ever before. The experience had such sublime divine flow to it. Somewhere around what felt like 10 minutes after the initial inhalation, I noted a slight decrease in intensity but no where near "coming down". I decided to get up and pack the remaining DMT onto the ashes in the pipe, which was a rather difficult process.


This second time around immersed me more so than the first. Getting up to go lay on my bed I opened my eyes for a brief moment, the visual aspect was definitely different than what I've experienced with DMT alone. Not sure how I would describe how they were different, words can only go so far. The air/space was filled with much more visual activity than I've ever expereinced before, it was hard to see anything really. Once I was on my bed I closed my eyes once again.


The entire experience, from the moment I took the first hit until I could no longer feel vibrations/buzzing in the body, was about 30 to 45 minutes. I relished in another 20 to 30 minutes of that blissful serene sleepy afterglow that DMT provides until I fell asleep. With out going into the personal/internal aspect of the experience, I'll say that it was one of the more profound experiences I've had with DMT. A lot of work and learning was done in that short amount of time. I felt the presence of entities/angels/spirits (what ever you wish to label them as) surrounding me as I have before in past experiences. One of them was the commonly encountered female/ loving-motherly entity. I couldn't see her, but I could feel and hear her. I like to approach these sorts of things openly with out throwing labels or attachments onto what it is I'm experiencing, I'm not religious and don't follow any sort of dogma...but those are the only words I know to convey what it was that I experienced. Or I could just say I tripped balls and saw pretty colors and felt neat things :shrug: .







-OM

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Re: Syrian Rue tea + Smoked DMT [Re: openmind]
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still never have messed with harmalas much. I will one of these days. I've messed with passiflora a bit, but it's pretty weak compared to others.


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Re: Syrian Rue tea + Smoked DMT [Re: nicechrisman]
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I have smoked 10x caapi prior, then took little tokes until I was where I was trying to be, the changa was also 10x 1:1, to date it was my most pleasant experience.

I would like to try this with hcl so an exact dose could be used/adjusted.


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Re: Syrian Rue tea + Smoked DMT [Re: bishlap]
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I alternate between vaped/sublingual FB harmala, rue tea and recently I've been boiling rue tea into a nice resin for capsuling. I find this brings out a very clean psychedelic awareness & stimulation response especially compared to rue tea which is very overtaking of the self.



Rue or caapi in high doses will leave DMT and other actives floating around for hours. Let's just say three to four from a single good DMT hit. In truth every psychedelic we take stays with us essentially permanently, echoing through our synapses long after the actives have been excreted.



My aura right now is heightened. Total zen silence. At work I interact with hundreds of people a day and when they talk to me I see them perk up and buzz with happiness.


My coworkers say I should bottle this magical happiness essence up and spread it round as a joke, but little do they know that this stuff already comes in bottles! :trolldance:


Even a threshold dose of Ayahuasca or Rue is enough to activate a deep inner silence, and allow for lots of energy channeling. These plants heighten biomagnetism and communion with earth and other plants and of course, fungi :mushroom2:. 8g Rue + 0.3g Mexican cubes w/ lemon creates an exceedingly intense entheogenic dreamscape. Total immersion, heightened Chi, straightened posture and the giggles and creativity are unreal.


Rue/Aya are powerful nootropics and powerful healers. I am grateful to Source all in all, these plants are profound. Kynurenic acid related cognitive impairment inhibition is rare to find but norharman in Rue and perhaps other harmalas in both Rue and Aya are known to inhibit the ironically neurotoxic metabolites of this endogenous neuroprotectant. KYNA is secreted whenever glutamate is in excess and acts to protect against hyperactivity and excitoxicity and consequently seizures but its metabolites fog one's mind. This is felt as hazy depersonalisation, so these plants are very good against depersonalisation and derealisation provided your diet is nourishing. If it is not so nourishing they can amplify these feelings to some extent.


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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

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Re: Syrian Rue tea + Smoked DMT [Re: openmind]
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This, IMHO is an under-explored and under-appreciated combination.  Thanks for writing it up and bringing it to our attention.

Will def have to try this.  Have all manner of MAOI containing plants at my disposal.

N.B.


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Re: Syrian Rue tea + Smoked DMT [Re: Nature Boy]
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nicechrisman said:
still never have messed with harmalas much. I will one of these days. I've messed with passiflora a bit, but it's pretty weak compared to others.



I have worked with passion flower, in an extract/tincture form. Though I haven't actually used it in combination with any psychedelics, mainly just for taking the edge off and before bed to see what influence it would have on my dreams. Though it is considerably weaker than the rue, I definitely feel the stuff with the tincture/extract I have.







Nature Boy said:
This, IMHO is an under-explored and under-appreciated combination.  Thanks for writing it up and bringing it to our attention.

Will def have to try this.  Have all manner of MAOI containing plants at my disposal.

N.B.



I think so too...After I tried it I did a bit of searching/reading around and didn't find a whole lot on the topic of MAOI/RIMA with smoked DMT.


Rather than making the tea, I have also tried smoking a fat pinch of seeds before smoking small amounts of DMT. I've heard some say that smoking the seeds is not effective. It's not the most efficient and not nearly as effective as the tea, but I definitely notice a slower come up and somewhat prolonged effects. For anyone that doesn't think smoking seeds will do much, smoke a good size pinch of seeds and see for your self. With some cannabis it makes for a nice meditative head space.


A few nights ago my friend and I had approximately 20mg in a bowl sandwiched between a small amount of cannabis...It was my first time using this particular DMT, it is more pure than anything I've ever worked with in the past (white/translucent, & doesn't even have a smell until smoked). Prior to this we smoked a hefty bowl of syrian rue seeds, a fat pinch, maybe a gram or so.

Again, the come up was slower and stretched out, and the effects lasted longer than I experienced without a MAOI/RIMA involved. Considering the relatively small amount of D that was in the bowl and for two heads, we were both pretty far out there for 10 to 20 minutes. The same thing was done the following night, somewhat milder of an experience but still seemed to last longer than usual.




I have 1.5g to 2.5g of crushed seeds steeping at the moment for a tea. I plan on going to sleep sometime soon here and waking up early for a pre-sunrise trip. I'll let ya'll know how it goes.






-OM

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Re: Syrian Rue tea + Smoked DMT [Re: openmind]
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openmind said:
I have 1.5g to 2.5g of crushed seeds steeping at the moment for a tea. I plan on going to sleep sometime soon here and waking up early for a pre-sunrise trip. I'll let ya'll know how it goes.




Wow....I don't even know where to begin. I'm not going into the details, but that was hands down the most intense and longest lasting experience I've had yet.


I drank 2/3rds of the rue tea. 40 Minutes after the tea I smoked about what I think was around 20mg (I really have no reference point, I always eye ball what feels right when it comes to this stuff, if anything it was less than 20mg).


First hit, held in for 30 seconds or so. Upon exhaling, the first wave was felt and things began to ever so slowly build in intensity while I took a few slow deep breathes before taking the second. Half way into holding the second hit in I started to loose touch with what was around me in a way I've never quite experienced before. After exhaling the second hit I managed to get up from where I was sitting and walk over to lay on my bed.


It took approximately(?) 3 to 4 minutes for the effects to "peak" and plateau out. It did have more over all flow to the experience in intensity. Once again, rather than a quick up and down that I experience with no MAOI/RIMA involved, I was progressively thrusted into the experience and once there I was able to navigate and take it all in with ease. The "peak" lasted what I assume was around 15 to 30 minutes, with another 30 to 45 minutes of a very slow gradual comedown. Even now, 3 almost 4 hours later, colors are still very saturated, mild movement about things, my body feels warm & fuzzy with mild buzz/vibration.


These adjectives I use fail so miserably at describing the experience. I feel words distract from the essence of the experience, with the attachments/ideas/meanings people have to certain words, other mediums would be much better for explaining/conveying...This was one of the "rougher" experiences I've had with DMT and psychedelics in general, I don't even want to use that word since it has certain connotations about it. I don't take it as bad or "scary", just different. I did run into the same entity/spirit/elf/(throw in your label here) that I do 75% of the time. This was the first time I saw her with my eyes open, she was dancing about around me as I walked to lay down after taking the second hit.


I might attempt to write up an actual trip report of this in the near future, explaining more of the details/internal aspect of the experience. For now, I'm speechless.






-OM


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Re: Syrian Rue tea + Smoked DMT [Re: openmind]
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Wow...that is really super amount of potentiation...sounds like you are getting close to the effects of an oral DMT + MAOI trip in both intensity and duration.

Good job on the description of the materials, dosage, and duration.  The lack of details on the trip itsef is completely understandable.  Words just do not suffice...  :bow2:

N.B.


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Re: Syrian Rue tea + Smoked DMT [Re: Nature Boy]
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Nature Boy said:
Wow...that is really super amount of potentiation...sounds like you are getting close to the effects of an oral DMT + MAOI trip in both intensity and duration.

Good job on the description of the materials, dosage, and duration.  The lack of details on the trip itsef is completely understandable.  Words just do not suffice...  :bow2:

N.B.



Yea, I was a little caught off guard at first :smirk: . I think the reason the effects were potentiated so much more this time around compared to last is because of two things.

One...Last time I ended up falling asleep for an hour after drinking the tea, so by the time I smoked the stuff the peak levels of MAO inhibition had likely already past, though lingering. This time I smoked it 40 minutes after the tea. And Two...The "material" I'm working with this time is very pure. The stuff I had last time was indeed good white/slightly yellow fluffy crystals, but this stuff is obviously a bit more potent per MG. Even from small amounts, I've never got off as far as I do with this stuff, and I've never come across D with out a smell.



I haven't done ayahuasca or an oral dose of MAOI + DMT in any form, yet...but from the reading I've done, this very much so felt like a short oral-DMT like experience. Or at least this experience allows me to imagine what that would be like, more so than any other time I've smoked deem.



I may partake in another session later tonight or early tomorrow morning, or at least at one point this week. Might see what more harmala and slightly less D will be like.






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Rue/Aya are powerful nootropics and powerful healers. I am grateful to Source all in all, these plants are profound.


crkhd, I concur with your post. Since working with D more lately and more specifically the harmalas, I feel really clear headed, sharper minded, uplifted, a nice sense of well being, less anxiety and less down, feel more "in tune" than usual (And I've always been a highly sensitive person). 







-OM


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Re: Syrian Rue tea + Smoked DMT [Re: openmind]
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Very interesting for sure. I love love love my aya trips but for me it can be too long and too much prep. I will be trying the oral maoi and smoked dmt method this weekend and see how it goes. NB if you got the time you should as well and we can compile our research! :brilliant:


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Re: Syrian Rue tea + Smoked DMT [Re: Rewindicus]
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Sounds like a plan.  Summer is here!

This is also good for stretching precious DMT supplies if you are short.  At the very least, you'll have to do far fewer extractions, therefore no "lab" for the authorities to discover!  A triple blessing.

N.B.


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Re: Syrian Rue tea + Smoked DMT [Re: Nature Boy]
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aye aye captain! hey NB as a side note youve as of late been upping your maoi and lowering your dmt correct? for me the only experience i have with maoi inhibition that has always worked for me that i got as a ref from joe was 200mg of extracted harmala.

i wonder if i would need 200mg for the proposed smoking method?


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Re: Syrian Rue tea + Smoked DMT [Re: openmind]
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I just drank the remaining 1/3rd of tea I had left over from last night...So the equivalent of no more than a gram of seeds. It's been in my stomach for about 2 minutes and I swear I already feel it's essence/effects coursing through me. It's ridiculous how sensitive I am to plants/herbs.


I'll take a few rips of seeds through a bong before preparing and inhaling the deem. I have one tiny little morsel left of the precious stuff, somewhere around 12mg to 17mg.


NB, this is indeed a great way to stretch what one has on hand. I already said it, but if I have a MAOI of sorts on hand, and the time, I'll likely never use inhaled DMT again with out one. So far in my experiences, it's worth it for many reasons. Smooths things out, slows the experience down, the experience becomes more immersive, it last longer, uses less DMT, and so far it's been much easier to take everything in and make sense of what is happening (not only because things seemed slowed down and less chaotic, but there's an aspect there that I can't quite describe, almost like the harmalas "lubricate" the ability to take in a process what the experience/entities/spirits are trying to show me, funny that I come to find and read that the harmala alkaloid harmine was known as "Telepathine" :smirk: :strokebeard: .)







-OM


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Re: Syrian Rue tea + Smoked DMT [Re: openmind]
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That last one was kind of a "failed launch" of sorts. It lasted for a little while, slightly longer than what I usually experience with out harmalas involved, about 15 minutes until the buzz/vibrations in the body simmered down. But the aspect/layer that the harmalas provide was most definitely present. It didn't quite get me where I suspected it was going to take me. There was less harmalas involved compared to the prior time, as well as less DMT, so :shrug: .


Still a wonderful experience...No entity/spirit contact or OBE type stuff this time around. Once the initial "flash" or "rush" plateaud out I was in a really peaceful meditative head space that was perfect for working on all sorts of stuff. From personal things, to creative thought, my posture, focusing, and moments of just being in thoughtless awareness...taking it all in.



I'm curious to hear anyone's experience with tolerance in regards to DMT. Over a daily span, as in smoking a little bit every other day to a couple days in a row. As well as a short time span, as in taking a few hits in a "session" of sorts, over an hour or two period of time....I ask because last night towards the end of a small dose of L (quarter of a 100mcg dose), I couldn't help my self but dabble with a bit of dmt. I ended up taking 3 or 4 small-ish hits over an hour or so, no harmalas involved. I most definitely noticed a tolerance on that 3rd or 4th hit, considering the chunk of crystal I put in the pipe.


....after that last one, I put my head down in shame and took it as a sign I should save the very little that I have and go to sleep :lol: . Also, from that little session last night, I really noticed the contrast in difference that the harmalas make, I "wasted" quite a bit...considering how far that amount would have taken me with the harmalas involved.



It's not something I plan on doing on the daily for a prolonged period of time. Just something I've been working with lately. My psychedelic use/explorations come in waves/cycles, and as of lately I've been working on a lot of things.





-OM


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Re: Syrian Rue tea + Smoked DMT [Re: crkhd]
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crkhd said:
I alternate between vaped/sublingual FB harmala, rue tea and recently I've been boiling rue tea into a nice resin for capsuling. I find this brings out a very clean psychedelic awareness & stimulation response especially compared to rue tea which is very overtaking of the self.



very interested in this tek ... how do you boil the rue tea into the resin?
Thanks


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Re: Syrian Rue tea + Smoked DMT [Re: miketheexplorer]
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It's not a boil, its a simmer. And you just let it simmer down until its a resinous consistency. It gets thicker as it cools.

You can smoke it, or ingest it with very very little nausea. It's so far my favourite way to do an maoi.

It's also completely water soluble for other ingestion methods and cleaning up the mess. Some will stick to the pot in the end, you can just add water and simmer the rest down as well. I just ball it then stick it between as little kleenex as possible. It's pretty messy stuff.

It doesn't taste that bad either.

Edited by larry.fisherman (12/22/13 05:59 PM)

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