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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: thelanzii]
    #18338098 - 05/29/13 12:33 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I probably spent around 100 on the ppf containers.  I bought 125 of them. 




Amazon has em -  6 ZipLoc twist n loc's for $5.14 with free ship on an order of $25 or more. With subscribe-and-save you can get em for $4.88 for 6.

Was the $100 for 125 of the dollar store ones?

They are $5 for 3 around here (Canada) So when I go to the states I get AMazon to ship me some to a friend's house :smile: I've ordered over 100 so far and picking up 48 more this weekend.

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: the_jerk]
    #18338121 - 05/29/13 12:37 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

:lolwut: Delayed response on that one?
Please don't go thru the thread responding to one post at a time

Where in this post,
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You mentioned that your hygrometer reads 95-100%RH. Especially since your grain cakes are not cased, you should goal for 99-100%RH, as straight-grain loses moisture quite quickly in below-saturation humidity. Bottom-watering makes this more forgiving but without a casing layer you will not have an ideal microclimate below 99%RH! You'll only get what you get and can't blame THE tek, just YOUR tech.

Bottom-watering is NECESSARY!
.... If you don't bottom-water these cakes how can you expect them to have more fruits than they are currently growing?

Don't be afraid of soggy fruits! Better than NO fruits, and chances are you won't experience such a problem… even if so it's trivial compared to the problem of failure or mediocre yield.


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Too dry.
If by "same culture" you mean an isolate, the paler caps are due to dryness. I would second-guess whatever it is that's telling you 95 %RH
If you do actually have ~95%RH and are encountering dryness problems it's because of excess airflow and/or that humidity is entirely supplied by the cakes hence them drying out. A continuing problem means you should be misting lightly but liberally, all-over such a tub FC not just the casing layers themselves.

Are they cased? In less than 99%RH my uncased cakes almost always side-pin and have dry fruitless tops most of their flushes.
This is why I case them. They do wonderfully in 87-98%RH, although lower humidity will require more occasional misting of the casing



...did you read something that led you to believe I "yelled" at you?

Come now, don't be touchy. These posts are for info purposes. Not only is that the direct answer to your question, it's not just your inquiry I'm answering here but any similar inquiries of readers going forth.

I only told you to not be afraid to do the thing that this tek is based on. If you do it timidly, expect timid results.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18338207 - 05/29/13 12:51 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

You were extremely firm on the you must bottom water front, when I didn't say I wasn't bottom watering. Then, you insinuated I was blaming THE tek and that MY tek was bad. Typing in caps, followed by an exclamation point is typically yelling; italics are for emphasis. You were quick to jump all over me for not watering and doing it wrong.

Regardless, I was responding to your reply (and yes, it was older) because I hadn't seen it until now. It got lost among people bickering.

I'll delete it now to clear up the thread.

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: the_jerk]
    #18338303 - 05/29/13 01:10 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

You're making choices to consider font format for emphasis as "yelling", and it's silly.
Did I insinuate that? No. Did I "jump all over you for not watering"? Did I ever said you were "doing it wrong"? You tell me you're having poor results then pretend that my responses intended to help you are bullying you and saying you suck? Jeez. :shrug:

Again. It's all for information purposes. My response to you will be read a couple times by you and hundreds of times by unknown readers. It would serve you well to not take things so personally or read superfluously far into things.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18339923 - 05/29/13 07:05 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Nice write up.
If I didn't have a sack of 'fall rye' here I'd give grass seed a try.
Its funny how people over complicate things, I was guilty of this back when I first started.
Now I do open air G2G transfers right in my kitchen just as I would make a pot of coffee.

Fact is, I could probably dump a colonized rye jar in my old sneaker and be fruiting cubes in a week.
I think people fuckup cuz they fear the unknown and over complicate the rather simple process of growing.

Again, nice write up!


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Helltick]
    #18340456 - 05/29/13 08:40 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Fact is, I could probably dump a colonized rye jar in my old sneaker and be fruiting cubes in a week.




That'd be a POTM contestant. :thumbup:

Kind of like RR's bible, only maybe stinkier. :lol:



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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: the_jerk]
    #18342168 - 05/30/13 07:21 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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They are $5 for 3 around here (Canada) So when I go to the states I get AMazon to ship me some to a friend's house :smile: I've ordered over 100 so far and picking up 48 more this weekend.



Im canadian too and I gt 2 pint screw ons for $1 at dollarama.  They work great


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: PrinceShroom]
    #18342218 - 05/30/13 07:44 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Im canadian too and I gt 2 pint screw ons for $1 at dollarama.  They work great




$1 each? That's more than I pay. Doesnt sound like much but over 100+ containers it adds up. Good in a pinch though, thanks for the heads up.

Violet,

I appreciate the input. I never said you were insinuating "I suck" you were quick, however, to defend your tek and blame me for doing things wrong.

Enough of this now, lets move on to more meaningful discussion.

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: the_jerk]
    #18342264 - 05/30/13 08:04 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Psht.
This statement, which you misconstrued; "You'll only get what you get and can't blame THE tek, just YOUR tech." isn't a bullet aimed at you. It's no less true for you than anyone who doesn't follow a tek to-the-T.
It's merely saying one cannot get the tek's results without following the tek. It's nothing new, said to newb after newb after newb... Don't be the newb to ruffle your feathers over it.

It's childish taking things so personally and deleting your posts. If I actually were to be saying something to/about you specifically, it'd be that you need to lighten up and stop being so touchy. I didn't blame you for anything or say you were doing anything wrong. Not saying you do, but IF you believe anything otherwise you're deluding yourself.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: the_jerk]
    #18342286 - 05/30/13 08:12 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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..Enough of this now, lets move on to more meaningful discussion.




And I am not deleting my posts as you suggest. I deleted one post because it was a response to an older reply and you told me not to reply to posts one at a time.

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: the_jerk]
    #18342339 - 05/30/13 08:35 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It is quite disrespectful to tell others to quit talking about what they're talking about (in their own thread, no less)
I'm responding to you. If you wanna quit talking about it then quit posting about it!


I'd say that this is a plenty meaningful discussion for this thread.
You're the first newb to express fear for following the tek as presented; said yourself you've been skimping on bottom-watering. That's like skimping on bulk subs and dunking in bulk sub & dunking teks... what do you think the result of that would be? That's the gist of all I said. You didn't have to get your panties in a wad over it like I was talking down to you.


Note to newbs/everyone:
Follow the Tek.
You're welcome to come here to address your troubles if you do, just don't take it personally when I or others respond accordingly.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: the_jerk]
    #18348241 - 05/31/13 09:07 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Im canadian too and I gt 2 pint screw ons for $1 at dollarama.  They work great




$1 each? That's more than I pay. Doesnt sound like much but over 100+ containers it adds up. Good in a pinch though, thanks for the heads up.






I read incorrectly. You get two 1-pint containers for a buck. I went and checked it out yesterday after work. They aren't labelled PP5 but they work fine (I tested them last night). "Snaptite" 450ml containers.  Great find - thanks for the heads up. I wish I checked out Dollarama sooner...coulda saved some coin.

They also had containers closer to quart size - 3 for 3 bucks with screw on lids. These were labelled PP5. Both worked great for following this tek's grain prep.

EDIT: I'm attaching a pic of one of my tub's harvest last night. 49.8g wet. The one is shriveled cuz I picked it a while before the others and already started to dehydrate him

Edited by the_jerk (05/31/13 09:14 AM)

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: the_jerk]
    #18348301 - 05/31/13 09:26 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

That's a great price for workable containers, I'll have to keep my eyes out for those stores and containers in the future!


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18348324 - 05/31/13 09:38 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I was pretty pissed after I thought I saved a bunch on all my containers from Amazon.

The larger taller ones from the dollar store were WAY sturdier than the ziploc ones. The only downside to them was that the lid didn't screw on quite as securely.

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: the_jerk]
    #18348392 - 05/31/13 10:05 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

1kg of grass seeds is $8

2.4kg of WBS is $5



Is there any benefit to grass seeds for me then?:smile:

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: lessismore]
    #18348812 - 05/31/13 12:04 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

*sigh*  Yes. Read the thread please
3rd or 5th time now: price-per-weight is not the bottom line of a wise grain choice. Inoc point value of grass seed is 3-8x that of other grains. 3-4x varying birdseeds.
There are other concerns such as nutrient spectra compared to nutrient value but they're complex. There are also values that aren't so easy to address from one person to the next.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18349202 - 05/31/13 01:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Innoc point is just faster colonization right?

You keep saying its more nurrient dense but how much more?

How many wbs quarts would 1quart of grass seeds equal? thats what im interested in
Wbs colonizes quickly and is usually a third the price per volume here

So do grass seeds yield more than 3 times as the volume as wbs?

Thought innoc points only influenced colonization speed

Have read tek twice, still confused.  havent read whole thread since im on my phone

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: lessismore]
    #18349265 - 05/31/13 01:46 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

*sigh* Please. Read the thread. What it says, it says. If you're confused you're putting info thru filters that don't apply to what you're reading.
No offense, but, too many skewed questions there, and I'm not inclined to type over and over things already in this very thread.


… 1 qt of colonized grass seed has the inoc spread power of 3-4 jars birdseed.

There are charts for the food values of different grains (grass seed isn't human food so is seldom listed) but no charts for the values of those charts.
Such information also doesn't take into account the different spectrum of nutrition for these species.
As for grow power, all I need to know is that grass seed vastly outperforms corn in in a greater way than rye/birdseed do and for the same reasons.

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So do grass seeds yield more than 3 times as the volume as wbs?



That's a pretty silly question.


The greater value is due to multiple combined factors.
If you're doing other teks, like "spawning", then sure find the cheapest grain. However this tek is dealing with a single grain as the single medium.
READ THE THREAD
This is covered both in initial posts and the thread to follow.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18349328 - 05/31/13 02:01 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I read the tek like it said it outperforms other grains yield per volume a lot

In the end all im interested in is a comparison w other grains(yield mostly)
To know the difference

But it is pretty neat they colonize so quickly and probably good for g2g transfer
And probably dont turn to mush when pcing like wbs

You state they sterilize faster too as a benefit but like you havent tested it
Sounds experimental

Would be nice to know a reliable sterilization time you have tried
If you want to say quicker sterilisation is a benefit

No experimental teks you know :wink:

Would be cool if half the sterilisation time was reliable, have you tested that?

Maybe I misread it was a bit quick

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: lessismore]
    #18349368 - 05/31/13 02:10 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Im canadian too and I gt 2 pint screw ons for $1 at dollarama.  They work great




$1 each? That's more than I pay. Doesnt sound like much but over 100+ containers it adds up. Good in a pinch though, thanks for the heads up.



Uhm 2 divided by $1 is .50 a piece.  A dozen liter mason jars costs me $15.  Ive bought quite a few of these now and will continue to do so.  I realize how quickly the cost adds up.


My first trays done exactly as per violet's tek.


After talking with someone who has done this tek for years, she gave me some new ways to do it.  So im going full steam ahead with this.  Im sick of spawning and all the problems that are caused by doing it.


Ill be doing a certain amount of containers on a certain time line.  The ease of this tek alongside with the fact that it is so easily scalable makes it a huge success to me.  As long as you have sterile tek down and some skill with agar this is IMHO a perfect easy tek.  First thing taught in TMC is sterile work and agar.  IMO these are necessary, while most OMC's skip the subject entirely.  Its not hard and ive done enough agar work in a SAB.  It makes a huge difference in the whole grow.
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You state they sterilize faster too as a benefit but like you havent tested it
Sounds experimental

Would be nice to know a reliable sterilization time you have tried
If you want to say quicker sterilisation is a benefit
Would be cool if half the sterilisation time was reliable, have you tested that?

Maybe I misread it was a bit quick



I sterilize a full 23q PC with 12 containers for 40 mins.


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