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Invisiblebadchad
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Re: Why on earth isn't psilocybin or LSD used to treat cluster headaches? [Re: thatsnice69]
    #18343624 - 05/30/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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thatsnice69 said:
Is that the equivalent of Class A?




Yes.  In the US it includes drugs with "no established medical use" and with a high potential for abuse.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: Why on earth isn't psilocybin or LSD used to treat cluster headaches? [Re: Konyap]
    #18343628 - 05/30/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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The mental health industry is fucking  disgusting. I wish I could burn that mother fucker down pookie! It's just a institutional drug vending machine from what I can tell.

I read an article about how France treats there diagnosis of adhd and how we ours and they have like a .01% while we have like a 10% rate.






Yuuupp, I believe that it is also much much harder to get pharmaceutical speed in the UK as well. As far as drug vending machine, that's pretty much all it's ever been to me since age 13 - sometimes it's legitimately helped, but the most effective long term treatment has been psychedelics :shrug:

I have an adderall script as well as 3/4 of the people I know - the minority that don't have a script just buy it off everyone else...it's all sorts of fucked up when you realize that pretty much everyone is on it. A lot of pharmacies here run out of the shit mid-week-ish because it's so popular.

I may in fact be one of the few people who would truly qualify for a diagnosis, in all honesty - though I don't refill it as much anymore - at 21 I think I might be growing out of it, or at least learning to manage it better. Amphetamines have always slowed my mind down a little bit and lets me focus on one thing at a time in a linear fashion - which is not what my brain does normally, and yah, I have crashed my car because of it. More than once, too :facepalm:
I haven't done that, or ended up on the wrong side of a median in a little while, two years I think - so I think it's something I'm slowly but surely growing out of. In perfect honesty, I'm not ready to completely give up my script and it's probably for the wrong reasons(the option of capitalizing on it financially if I ever needed to, mainly)


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Because there is little empirical research on their effectiveness in humans.  No drug has ever been approved based on anecdotal reports, exceptionally small studies and internet survey data.

If someone had the funds, they could develop it into a drug.



I prefer to believe in a conspiracy as these drugs are really effective.





http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/the-agony-and-the-ecstasy-the-quiet-mission-to-fight-ptsd-with-psychedelic-drugs

I dunno about cluster headaches particularly, but medicinal use of psychedelics has been pushed for a long time, and with many millions of dollars...


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Re: Why on earth isn't psilocybin or LSD used to treat cluster headaches? [Re: badchad]
    #18343660 - 05/30/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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badchad said:
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thatsnice69 said:
Is that the equivalent of Class A?




Yes.  In the US it includes drugs with "no established medical use" and with a high potential for abuse.



So wait Cannabis is Schedule I yet you guys have medicinal marijuana?


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Re: Why on earth isn't psilocybin or LSD used to treat cluster headaches? [Re: thatsnice69]
    #18343671 - 05/30/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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thatsnice69 said:

So wait Cannabis is Schedule I yet you guys have medicinal marijuana?




Yes, and its a complex legal issue of state versus federal rights.

It's also noteworthy that THC (in pharmaceutical form) is schedule III.  This is because someone spent the big bucks to push it through clinical trials invlving hundreds of patients to demonstrate an "established medical use".


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: Why on earth isn't psilocybin or LSD used to treat cluster headaches? [Re: badchad]
    #18343706 - 05/30/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

I wonder how easily one could get marinol prescribed to them, probably not worth the trouble unless you have a serious condition(like hiv/aids, cancer, people who cannot eat with mj) ...especially if you're in a medical state, though I wonder if doctors prescribe it more readily in med states..feel like medco would probably give me a bunch of shit for it and I'd get stuck in a prior-authorization black hole of paper work between the insurance co, the doctor, and the pharmacy.


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Re: Why on earth isn't psilocybin or LSD used to treat cluster headaches? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #18343741 - 05/30/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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pirate-blues said:
I wonder how easily one could get marinol prescribed to them, probably not worth the trouble unless you have a serious condition(like hiv/aids, cancer, people who cannot eat with mj) ...especially if you're in a medical state, though I wonder if doctors prescribe it more readily in med states..feel like medco would probably give me a bunch of shit for it and I'd get stuck in a prior-authorization black hole of paper work between the insurance co, the doctor, and the pharmacy.




It's only indicated for loss of appetite in AIDS patients.  Beyond that, it's schedule 3, so it's less restricted than many opioids.  I don't know how often marinol is used "off-label", but probably much less often than other drugs given the indication (AIDS patients).


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: Why on earth isn't psilocybin or LSD used to treat cluster headaches? [Re: badchad]
    #18344030 - 05/30/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

so are cluster headaches different from a migraine?

cause i had a bad headache yesturday that was making me feel nauseous, i couldnt sleep, so i took a big shot of some whisky and it was gone in no time and i went to bed

so does any drug treat headaches then?


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Re: Why on earth isn't psilocybin or LSD used to treat cluster headaches? [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18344045 - 05/30/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Cluster headache is not merely a bad headache, its a satanic headache from hell!


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Re: Why on earth isn't psilocybin or LSD used to treat cluster headaches? [Re: thatsnice69]
    #18344053 - 05/30/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Cuz hippies be trying to start a revolution man.

Keep them filthy drugs off of Merican soil.


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Re: Why on earth isn't psilocybin or LSD used to treat cluster headaches? [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18344087 - 05/30/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Cluster headaches and migraines are not the same thing. I guess my problemo was mostly migraines, but I think I've outgrown the worst of it, finally - as they'd last a solid day and nothing would get rid of them. I was often hunched over the toilet puking, and a few times I got those really scary hemiplegic ones that often have stroke-like symptoms, half my face would go numb and get all weak and I'd get a lot of visual auras and basically just puke - I was on several different medications for them, all with equally horrible side effects.

Here is a pretty comprehensive chart and description of each : http://www.diffen.com/difference/Cluster_Headache_vs_Migraine


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Re: Why on earth isn't psilocybin or LSD used to treat cluster headaches? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #18344127 - 05/30/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Did you try shrooms or acid for it?


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Re: Why on earth isn't psilocybin or LSD used to treat cluster headaches? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #18344133 - 05/30/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

The government/drug policy makers could really care less if there are medical benefits to using psilocybin or LSD, they don't want to admit they are wrong.

Drug enforcement is about supporting illegal drug prices, which is about money, money is more important than helping people.


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Re: Why on earth isn't psilocybin or LSD used to treat cluster headaches? [Re: thatsnice69]
    #18344227 - 05/30/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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thatsnice69 said:
Did you try shrooms or acid for it?






That is the one thing I cannot say I did, and that's partially why I am excited to find out that so far the anecdotal evidence is leaning towards psychedelics(particularly psilocybin) being a very very effective treatment. I know a few out of staters who have medical weed cars for headaches - but weed never really helped me at all in the migraine department, personally.

The worst of my migraines(which my brother also suffered as a kid but grew out of, as did my mom) seemed to go away around 18 or 19, but over the past year they came back with a vengeance, and were worsened by low pressure systems specifically. The worst time of my life was flying down to Miami parallel to Hurricane Sandy as it came up the coast - I was in agony for the flight and afterwards, and because that was a monsterously huge storm I still felt the effects of the low pressure system in Florida after it made land fall up North..for days :eek:. I was down there to scuba dive, and interestingly enough for about 3-4 days after the storm hit the only time I felt totally right and didn't have head pain, was when I was underwater, the pressure adjustment seemed to help level me out.

And since I've had my wisdom teeth out for almost a month now, with the exception of some really really minor head aches I haven't had any problems so far :shrug:. Hopefully they won't return, but if they do I'm definitely trying mushrooms to treat it if I have some on hand.


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Re: Why on earth isn't psilocybin or LSD used to treat cluster headaches? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18344527 - 05/30/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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thatsnice69 said:
Why on earth isn't psilocybin or LSD used to treat cluster headaches?




Because then the Fed's would have to admit there is medicinal usage of a drug they deem illegal.



There are thousands of drugs that the government has deemed to have medicinal value that are illegal


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Re: Why on earth isn't psilocybin or LSD used to treat cluster headaches? [Re: thatsnice69]
    #18344849 - 05/30/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Have another toke of jenkem.


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Re: Why on earth isn't psilocybin or LSD used to treat cluster headaches? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18346531 - 05/30/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

marinol will NOT get you high FYI. if you take enough to get a buzz, it will be a shitty, paranoid, CBD-less buzz


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