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Adding X Chemical in Substrates
    #18344902 - 05/30/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I am not sure if this is the right forum to post this in but I was wondering if anyone has experimented with adding chemicals to the substrate or the mist bottle to increase potency. What got me thinking about this was that reading on another forum, Someone added trytamines to the substrate and it came out about 3x more potent than normal mushrooms but they were dwarfed.

What I am particularly curious with are Nootropics in the substrate. Particularly
Piracetam, Choline (any form), Piracetam and Choline, NAC (For oxidization to help be preserved longer), and ALCAR. I am interested to hear in a mixture of other chemicals as well, or what your thoughts may be about this.

Thanks

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Re: Adding X Chemical in Substrates [Re: Wowgad]
    #18345122 - 05/30/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Wowgad said:
I am not sure if this is the right forum to post this in but I was wondering if anyone has experimented with adding chemicals to the substrate or the mist bottle to increase potency. What got me thinking about this was that reading on another forum, Someone added trytamines to the substrate and it came out about 3x more potent than normal mushrooms but they were dwarfed.



Mycellium consumes solid foods, not liquids.

Potency is mostly genetic, so I doubt there was any real increase in potency.

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Re: Adding X Chemical in Substrates [Re: PussyFart]
    #18345389 - 05/30/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

There are quite a few threads here and elsewhere that talk about what you are looking for... 

There does seem to be evidence that hydroxylation does occur with a wide variety of substances...  but your best chance at an answer for your specific chemicals above may be a Google search and/or your own experimentation...  Without a fair amount of lab equipment that likely none here have access to, it is unlikely that you will get an answer other than a educated (at best) guess however.

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Re: Adding X Chemical in Substrates [Re: BloodKil]
    #18352903 - 06/01/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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BloodKil said:
There are quite a few threads here and elsewhere that talk about what you are looking for... 

There does seem to be evidence that hydroxylation does occur with a wide variety of substances...  but your best chance at an answer for your specific chemicals above may be a Google search and/or your own experimentation...  Without a fair amount of lab equipment that likely none here have access to, it is unlikely that you will get an answer other than a educated (at best) guess however.




Thanks the only one I have found that had anecdotal research was with DMT. Yeah, without the proper equipment it would be impossible to tell potency//other effects. Aside from physical mutations, which I am not really interested in.

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Re: Adding X Chemical in Substrates [Re: Wowgad]
    #18360304 - 06/02/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I don't see why nootropics and other supplements would have any use when put in the substrate.

Tryptamines in the substrate makes sense because tryptamine is a metabolic intermediate naturally. These fungi don't have a central nervous system that may utilize such things as racetams nor is there any structural relationship to the indole alkaloids we cultivate them for.

Something like choline may possibly be used although I doubt that they are used for something similar as in humans. Fungi don't have neurons that would use acetylcholine, again I don't know if choline plays another role.
Maybe some of these things can be broken down for nutrients but I don't see how it could result in anything but marginally more healthy fungus (even that is a stretch!).

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Re: Adding X Chemical in Substrates [Re: Solipsis]
    #18362273 - 06/03/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Solipsis said:
I don't see why nootropics and other supplements would have any use when put in the substrate.

Tryptamines in the substrate makes sense because tryptamine is a metabolic intermediate naturally. These fungi don't have a central nervous system that may utilize such things as racetams nor is there any structural relationship to the indole alkaloids we cultivate them for.

Something like choline may possibly be used although I doubt that they are used for something similar as in humans. Fungi don't have neurons that would use acetylcholine, again I don't know if choline plays another role.
Maybe some of these things can be broken down for nutrients but I don't see how it could result in anything but marginally more healthy fungus (even that is a stretch!).





That's the type of experimenting I like to do, but as Bloodkil mentioned, it's moot without lab equipment

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