|
 22Carat
Registered: 11/15/12
Posts: 1,378
|
 Re: Why are people so obsessed with self-improvement and reading books? It's pointless  [Re: iAmNothing]
#18344054 - 05/30/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
That last statement is true, and I somewhat agree that the self help industry is money hungry.
So... what's your point?
Self help books still help some people better themselves while they have fun doing it.(Something we have determined is not selfish.)
@Uzziel: Reading about a life experience and experiencing one first hand are two completely different animals.
So, I get what he's saying.
--------------------
22
Edited by 22Carat (05/30/13 03:24 PM)
|
 iAmNothing
Mr.Nobody
Registered: 05/28/13
Posts: 135
Last seen: 10 years, 10 months
|
Re: Why are people so obsessed with self-improvement and reading books? It's pointless [Re: Uzziel]
#18344074 - 05/30/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Uzziel said:
That is an obvious logic fallacy... as self help books come from real life experiences a lot of the time.
What is your point?
My point is that it's not the readers experiences, it's the writer of the book that have experienced those things.
Real life experiences will ALWAYS be better at teaching a lesson then some useless book that you have to memorize.
--------------------
No name, no personality, No talents, No hobbies, No goals, No dreams, No memories, No thoughts, No expectations, No knowledge, No intelligence, No past, No future.
|
nicechrisman
Interdimensional space wizard
 
Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 33,241
Last seen: 4 years, 8 months
|
Re: Why are people so obsessed with self-improvement and reading books? It's pointless [Re: iAmNothing]
#18344083 - 05/30/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
So you can't really learn anything from other people? Good luck with that. Sounds like a rocky road.
--------------------
"Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent:
it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not."
John C. Lily
  
|
iAmNothing
Mr.Nobody
Registered: 05/28/13
Posts: 135
Last seen: 10 years, 10 months
|
Re: Why are people so obsessed with self-improvement and reading books? It's pointless [Re: nicechrisman]
#18344095 - 05/30/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
nicechrisman said:
So you can't really learn anything from other people? Good luck with that. Sounds like a rocky road.
You can listen and appreciate the advice but it's gonna be lost unless you memorize it for some stupid reason.
Real lessons come from your own real life experiences.
--------------------
No name, no personality, No talents, No hobbies, No goals, No dreams, No memories, No thoughts, No expectations, No knowledge, No intelligence, No past, No future.
|
ModestMouse
IM WALKIN ON SUNSHINE
Registered: 05/06/13
Posts: 19,227
Loc: Upstate
|
Re: Why are people so obsessed with self-improvement and reading books? It's pointless [Re: iAmNothing]
#18344112 - 05/30/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
I don't know how I'd be more surprised:
Op is revealed to be robot
Op is revealed to be human
--------------------
Anyone got a lowpass filter in this biiiiash?
Edited by ModestMouse (05/30/13 03:33 PM)
|
The Vapor
Lost In A Tea Daze
Registered: 03/22/10
Posts: 8,433
Loc: Misty Mountains, B.C. 
Last seen: 2 years, 1 month
|
Re: Why are people so obsessed with self-improvement and reading books? It's pointless [Re: iAmNothing]
#18344113 - 05/30/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Nope, there is loads you can learn from others.
--------------------
 
|
iAmNothing
Mr.Nobody
Registered: 05/28/13
Posts: 135
Last seen: 10 years, 10 months
|
Re: Why are people so obsessed with self-improvement and reading books? It's pointless [Re: The Vapor]
#18344117 - 05/30/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
The Vapor said:
Nope, there is loads you can learn from others.
Enlighten me oh wise one...
--------------------
No name, no personality, No talents, No hobbies, No goals, No dreams, No memories, No thoughts, No expectations, No knowledge, No intelligence, No past, No future.
|
nicechrisman
Interdimensional space wizard
Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 33,241
Last seen: 4 years, 8 months
|
Re: Why are people so obsessed with self-improvement and reading books? It's pointless [Re: iAmNothing]
#18344119 - 05/30/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
What I've found is that when I was younger and hadn't had very many real life situations, I didn't place much value in self help books and that sort of thing. Now that I'm older and have had my ass kicked around quite a few times by life, I find that many other people have had similar experiences. Sometimes their advice is helpful, and sometimes it's just nice to hear from others who have gone through similar things.
--------------------
"Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent:
it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not."
John C. Lily
|
22Carat
Registered: 11/15/12
Posts: 1,378
|
Re: Why are people so obsessed with self-improvement and reading books? It's pointless [Re: iAmNothing]
#18344120 - 05/30/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
iAmNothing said:
Quote:
Uzziel said:
That is an obvious logic fallacy... as self help books come from real life experiences a lot of the time.
What is your point?
My point is that it's not the readers experiences, it's the writer of the book that have experienced those things.
Real life experiences will ALWAYS be better at teaching a lesson then some useless book that you have to memorize.
In what way are self help books useless?
Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence People" teaches you exactly what it claims.
Where is the problem here?
And don't give me that "everyone is different" crap.
People are indeed different, but we all have a similar psychology.
This is a semi-psychological discussion regarding the usefulness of self help books in bettering a person mentally, therefore, the prior statement doesn't hold true.
You do know everything in your head has been memorized, right?
Memorization is key to learning anything.
--------------------
22
|
iAmNothing
Mr.Nobody
Registered: 05/28/13
Posts: 135
Last seen: 10 years, 10 months
|
Re: Why are people so obsessed with self-improvement and reading books? It's pointless [Re: 22Carat]
#18344135 - 05/30/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
22Karot said:
Quote:
iAmNothing said:
Quote:
Uzziel said:
That is an obvious logic fallacy... as self help books come from real life experiences a lot of the time.
What is your point?
My point is that it's not the readers experiences, it's the writer of the book that have experienced those things.
Real life experiences will ALWAYS be better at teaching a lesson then some useless book that you have to memorize.
In what way are self help books useless?
Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence People" teaches you exactly what it claims.
Where is the problem here?
And don't give me that "everyone is different" crap.
People are indeed different, but we all have a similar psychology.
This is a semi-psychological discussion regarding the usefulness of self help books in bettering a person mentally, therefore, the prior statement doesn't hold true.
You do know everything in your head has been memorized, right?
Memorization is key to learning anything.
Everyone isn't different, everyone is exactly the same, nobody is special or unique in any way.
Yeah, memory is everything and memorizing books can be useful but it's not your information, your experiences, your words, your logic, your intelligence, your knowledge, it's not you.
Self-Help books are about telling you that ''You are not good enough'', it's pure mental masturbation.
--------------------
No name, no personality, No talents, No hobbies, No goals, No dreams, No memories, No thoughts, No expectations, No knowledge, No intelligence, No past, No future.
|
nicechrisman
Interdimensional space wizard
Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 33,241
Last seen: 4 years, 8 months
|
Re: Why are people so obsessed with self-improvement and reading books? It's pointless [Re: iAmNothing]
#18344140 - 05/30/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
So what's wrong with masturbation if I enjoy it?
--------------------
"Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent:
it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not."
John C. Lily
|
The Vapor
Lost In A Tea Daze
Registered: 03/22/10
Posts: 8,433
Loc: Misty Mountains, B.C.
Last seen: 2 years, 1 month
|
Re: Why are people so obsessed with self-improvement and reading books? It's pointless [Re: iAmNothing]
#18344142 - 05/30/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
iAmNothing said:
Quote:
22Karot said:
Quote:
iAmNothing said:
Quote:
Uzziel said:
That is an obvious logic fallacy... as self help books come from real life experiences a lot of the time.
What is your point?
My point is that it's not the readers experiences, it's the writer of the book that have experienced those things.
Real life experiences will ALWAYS be better at teaching a lesson then some useless book that you have to memorize.
In what way are self help books useless?
Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence People" teaches you exactly what it claims.
Where is the problem here?
And don't give me that "everyone is different" crap.
People are indeed different, but we all have a similar psychology.
This is a semi-psychological discussion regarding the usefulness of self help books in bettering a person mentally, therefore, the prior statement doesn't hold true.
You do know everything in your head has been memorized, right?
Memorization is key to learning anything.
Everyone isn't different, everyone is exactly the same, nobody is special or unique in any way.
Yeah, memory is everything and memorizing books can be useful but it's not your information, your experiences, your words, your logic, your intelligence, your knowledge, it's not you.
Self-Help books are about telling you that ''You are not good enough'', it's pure mental masturbation.
Reading a book and internalizing some of what it has to offer is part of your experiences.
--------------------
|
22Carat
Registered: 11/15/12
Posts: 1,378
|
Re: Why are people so obsessed with self-improvement and reading books? It's pointless [Re: iAmNothing]
#18344155 - 05/30/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
So, you learned English right?
But it's not your language, maybe you should stop speaking it.
Maybe everything learned in school shouldn't be taught because they aren't the individuals subjects.
Maybe psychology, biology, chemistry, and hell even mycology is false because you didn't discover it.
Your logic is pretty erroneous.
Also, if everyone is the same, shouldn't we all obtain the same lessons, have the same ideas, etc.?
That statement alone disproves your own idea.
--------------------
22
Edited by 22Carat (05/30/13 03:54 PM)
|
Uzziel
O_o
Registered: 12/30/10
Posts: 11,689
Last seen: 4 years, 4 months
|
Re: Why are people so obsessed with self-improvement and reading books? It's pointless [Re: iAmNothing]
#18344187 - 05/30/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
iAmNothing said:
Quote:
Uzziel said:
That is an obvious logic fallacy... as self help books come from real life experiences a lot of the time.
What is your point?
My point is that it's not the readers experiences, it's the writer of the book that have experienced those things.
Real life experiences will ALWAYS be better at teaching a lesson then some useless book that you have to memorize.
I'd like to see how well you do in a biotech lab without any prior readings.
Oh yeah, you'd fuck it all up and get fired instantly. 
Logic fallacies coming out of your ass.
|
nicechrisman
Interdimensional space wizard
Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 33,241
Last seen: 4 years, 8 months
|
Re: Why are people so obsessed with self-improvement and reading books? It's pointless [Re: iAmNothing] 1
#18344191 - 05/30/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
I totally remember being 19 and thinking I knew everything I needed to know about everything.
--------------------
"Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent:
it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not."
John C. Lily
|
Psychonomic
Stranger
Registered: 05/27/13
Posts: 19
|
Re: Why are people so obsessed with self-improvement and reading books? It's pointless [Re: nicechrisman]
#18344212 - 05/30/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Wow this troll thread made it to 5 pages. 
|
Uzziel
O_o
Registered: 12/30/10
Posts: 11,689
Last seen: 4 years, 4 months
|
Re: Why are people so obsessed with self-improvement and reading books? It's pointless [Re: Psychonomic]
#18344220 - 05/30/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Hey man he didn't do it by himself, we are feeding the troll and don't you forget it 
|
iAmNothing
Mr.Nobody
Registered: 05/28/13
Posts: 135
Last seen: 10 years, 10 months
|
Re: Why are people so obsessed with self-improvement and reading books? It's pointless [Re: nicechrisman]
#18344248 - 05/30/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
nicechrisman said:
So what's wrong with masturbation if I enjoy it?
Quote:
nicechrisman said:
I totally remember being 19 and thinking I knew everything I needed to know about everything.
I don't know anything about anything, i am worthless and i won't be delusional about it.
Self-Help books = 'You are brainwashed to believe that you are not good enough' 'you are not complete or perfect or content' it's the never ending cycle of mentally masturbating, it's useless and will never find happiness from it.
I support reading books when bored or preparing yourself for something important, but to actually read everything and take everything an author says seriously is just stupid.
Books are great but don't act like you are somehow more intelligent or superior just because you read because and have learned the ability to memorize every single word and use it as your own.
This is an perfect example of pseudo-intellectuals:
--------------------
No name, no personality, No talents, No hobbies, No goals, No dreams, No memories, No thoughts, No expectations, No knowledge, No intelligence, No past, No future.
|
nicechrisman
Interdimensional space wizard
Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 33,241
Last seen: 4 years, 8 months
|
Re: Why are people so obsessed with self-improvement and reading books? It's pointless [Re: iAmNothing]
#18344266 - 05/30/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
You act as if all "self help" books are written by one corporation or something. There are many different authors from all different situations and angles who have written books about their experiences. Some of these are categorized as "self help". Some have great wisdom to share, some are BS. It's really as simple as that IMO
--------------------
"Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent:
it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not."
John C. Lily
|
pirate-blues
Registered: 10/15/12
Posts: 13,782
|
Re: Why are people so obsessed with self-improvement and reading books? It's pointless [Re: iAmNothing]
#18344278 - 05/30/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
OP, I get that you're going through an existential phase, even if there is nothing after death that does not mean that the world is not a fantastically beautiful and culturally rich place and that you cannot spend your life exploring it and learning from it, it'll enhance your view of things and make your existence a more enjoyable one and the world an even more curious place to live in.
You should probably get high and watch I Heart Huckabees  , I feel like you'd dig the existential vibes.
edit:
Edited by pirate-blues (05/30/13 04:06 PM)
|
|
Threaded
Previous
Index
Next
Buy Bali Kratom Powder 
Red Vein Kratom
Edit 
Reply 
1 2 3 all )
MOTH
Druginduced
Bullfrog1
enotake2
htownkid28
World Spirit
Crass