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Paranoja
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How am i doing?
#18322106 - 05/26/13 07:28 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey shroomery community!
I loved how you helped me few days ago with my question, now i have some more
Short summary of what happend so far:
Using rye, i colonized 3 jars. completely white jars, beautiful mycelium

The only picture i have before birthing 
I mixed rye with vermiculite and put it in plastic tupperware. Waited for everything to colonize and than i put another thin layer of vermiculite over it.
And this is how it looks now:
Bottom of the tupperware (black stains are on the outside, black spray used to paint the botom of the tupperware):

Mycelium coming out trough top layer of vermiculite:



So my questions: Does it look healthy?
Am i missing something, i need to watch out for humidity, temperature and airflow and a bit of light? anything else?
I have drilled holes in top and all sides, on one side i have a hole at the very bottom (co2 sink) is that enough?
Also, anything you might notice and add, please do, im nEw and have still a lot to learn.
P.s. feel free to correct my vocabulary, im not up to date with sroomery lingo so im using what i know.
Thx
Edited by Paranoja (05/26/13 07:49 AM)
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Re: How am i doing? [Re: Paranoja]
#18322322 - 05/26/13 08:58 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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also if you need more pictures i will be happy to post them.
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Re: How am i doing? [Re: Paranoja]
#18322398 - 05/26/13 09:24 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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looks healthy to me, but are you planning on fruiting it right out of the tupperware?
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Re: How am i doing? [Re: roxxor]
#18322506 - 05/26/13 10:11 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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It looks like healthy myc from my point of view.... 
You should be able to just fruit it as is.... You might have done better if you had added a bulk sub of some sort like coir or poo or something as far as yield but it should still work.....
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roxxor said: looks healthy to me, but are you planning on fruiting it right out of the tupperware?
Yes. Should i? i thought it goes: colonization in jar, birthing, adding vermiculite, wait a bit, fruit.
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ProfessorPinHead said: It looks like healthy myc from my point of view.... 
You should be able to just fruit it as is.... You might have done better if you had added a bulk sub of some sort like coir or poo or something as far as yield but it should still work.....
So rye is enough but it would be better if it had more "food"? More "food" = more yield? Im not well educated on that part of growing :/
Also, how long it takes for fruiting to start? how fast does it grow? Reading about it i know it depends on humidity, light, temperature and air flow, but how will i know if im doing it right?
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Re: How am i doing? [Re: Paranoja]
#18322587 - 05/26/13 10:48 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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most starters use a shotgun fruit chamber for cakes/trays or a monotub. im sure the tupperware will work i just cant give advice on that part of it. and yes, rye or rice or popcorn or anything will produce fruits, but spawning them to a bulk substrate like poo or coir will give more food and grow more mycelium = more yield. as far as fruiting ussualy takes anywhere from 3-10 days for pins then another 3-10 for them to mature, then harvest and dunk or mist or w/e and repeat. can vary alot though depending on species and genetics etc. most of the time the mycelium will tell you if somthings wrong via brusing and whatnot.
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Re: How am i doing? [Re: roxxor]
#18322615 - 05/26/13 10:59 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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roxxor said: most starters use a shotgun fruit chamber for cakes/trays or a monotub. im sure the tupperware will work i just cant give advice on that part of it. and yes, rye or rice or popcorn or anything will produce fruits, but spawning them to a bulk substrate like poo or coir will give more food and grow more mycelium = more yield. as far as fruiting ussualy takes anywhere from 3-10 days for pins then another 3-10 for them to mature, then harvest and dunk or mist or w/e and repeat. can vary alot though depending on species and genetics etc. most of the time the mycelium will tell you if somthings wrong via brusing and whatnot.
By description it is a shotgun tube. i got two holes on top, two holes on each side except on one where i have only one hole at the very bottom of the tube. All of them are stuffed with aquarium cotton (synthetic so bacteria can not grow on it).
Dunking might be a bit hard since its not in cake form, can i soak it in water and drain it trough bottom of the tube?
What is w/e?
one harvest = one flush? so after each flush i should dunk, mist or w/e?
another question about substrate, i guess its never to late to do it? i have 3 tubes, if its possible i might try with one. Where can i find a list of substrates, i dont think i have access to poo or coir.
Edited by Paranoja (05/26/13 11:00 AM)
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Re: How am i doing? [Re: Paranoja]
#18322873 - 05/26/13 12:21 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks pretty good bro.
Just a serious lack of FAE, thats why your mycelium is going all aerial like that.
Fan a little more or buy an air pump. I guarantee if you keep down the same track, when it comes time to fruit, you will see very small mushrooms.  (Just lookin out for ya)
----------------------------------------------------------------------- Btw, sounds like you are using a monotub, not a SGFC.
Yes you can soak it, try not to soak it for more then 18h.
w/e = whatever.
Yes a harvest and a flush can be referred to as the same thing.
Do you have access to a Walgreens or Lowes? If you do, you have access to Coconut Coir. It can be found it the gardening sections.
Gl with your grows.
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Re: How am i doing? [Re: Jman420]
#18326272 - 05/27/13 02:06 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just a serious lack of FAE, thats why your mycelium is going all aerial like that.
Fan a little more or buy an air pump. I guarantee if you keep down the same track, when it comes time to fruit, you will see very small mushrooms.  (Just lookin out for ya)
Hmmm, buying an air pump is really not an option right now, so more frequent fanning will have to do. i would place it near open window but its cold right now (trolling weather).
I also thought tilting the tubes on one side so co2 can literally drain away.
Is it advisable to drill new holes in tubes at this moment?
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Do you have access to a Walgreens or Lowes? If you do, you have access to Coconut Coir. It can be found it the gardening sections.
Im from europe, so no walgreens or lowes. But i do have gardening stores near me so i can see what they offer and rapport back for evaluation.
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Re: How am i doing? [Re: Paranoja]
#18326291 - 05/27/13 02:12 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't place it near a window if anything. Just fan it out.
I wouldn't drill new holes this far in your grow. Plus I can't see how many/where the holes are with your tub, so I can't judge how your tub is. More pics of the tub would help.
Europe ey, Well I dunno where you would get it locally out there, but yea, check with your local gardening stores. 
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Edited by Jman420 (05/27/13 02:16 AM)
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Re: How am i doing? [Re: Jman420]
#18326317 - 05/27/13 02:23 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Peatmoss and vermiculite is another way to make substrates. You can find peatmoss pretty much anywhere.
Vermiculite is not so much needed.
It can easily be replaced with a variety of other things.
Examples : Mushroom compost, organic compost, some kind of good compost.
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Edited by Jman420 (05/27/13 02:24 AM)
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Re: How am i doing? [Re: Jman420]
#18326355 - 05/27/13 02:46 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jman420 said: Peatmoss and vermiculite is another way to make substratescasing material. You can find peatmoss pretty much anywhere.
Vermiculite is not so much needed.
It can easily be replaced with a variety of other things.
Examples : Mushroom compost, organic compost, some kind of good compost. 
mushroom compost is actually used mushroom sub and is useless to us and you don't want peatmoss in your bulk sub
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Re: How am i doing? [Re: Jman420]
#18326357 - 05/27/13 02:46 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thx, i will look at composts and substrate offers.
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Plus I can't see how many/where the holes are with your tub, so I can't judge how your tub is
9 holes (2 west, 2 east, 2 top, 2 north, 1 south), i will take a photo and post it here.
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Re: How am i doing? [Re: cronicr]
#18326378 - 05/27/13 02:57 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
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Jman420 said: Peatmoss and vermiculite is another way to make substratescasing material. You can find peatmoss pretty much anywhere.
Vermiculite is not so much needed.
It can easily be replaced with a variety of other things.
Examples : Mushroom compost, organic compost, some kind of good compost. 
mushroom compost is actually used mushroom sub and is useless to us and you don't want peatmoss in your bulk sub
Interesting. Yea I just bought a bag that said "Mushroom Compost Blend" a while back and use it with my peatmoss when I ran out of vermiculite lol. Which lead me to my use of organic compost eventually ^^ I don't use peat moss or verm anymore though. All coir!
It contained, horse manure, straw, wood, peat moss, and a variety of other things that I figured would be good for growing lol.
But hey, ya learn something new everyday.
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Edited by Jman420 (05/27/13 02:58 AM)
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Re: How am i doing? [Re: Jman420]
#18326386 - 05/27/13 03:02 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah it usually comes from mushroom farms and is just already spent sub, and that sub before it was colonized consists of the ingredients you listed above. peat moss is inert so it's used for casing material
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Re: How am i doing? [Re: cronicr]
#18341801 - 05/30/13 03:47 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi everyone, sorry for long time no reply, had some other stuff to sort out.
Here are pictures of the tubes, top, west, east and south holes are visible, north holes are there in same fashion:

Mycelia is still "airborne" so i tilted the tubes so the CO2 drains trough south hole, have no idea will it work. I have mixed info about fanning, somewhere it says 4-5 fanning a day, while some dont even drill holes in the tubes and fan rarely.
So what is the real truth, and what is considered fanning? Opening tubes and waving out air?
Another question about temperature. When i started this i was counting on warm weather that is usual for this time of year here. Unfortunately its not warm, its cold. The temperature in the room is about 20-22 C during day (68-72 F) and 17-18 C (62-65 F) during night. Is that to cold to start fruiting?
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Re: How am i doing? [Re: Paranoja]
#18341852 - 05/30/13 04:17 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Paranoja said: Mycelia is still "airborne" so i tilted the tubes so the CO2 drains trough south hole, have no idea will it work.
It won't, co2 does not settle out of air. It does not pool at the bottom.
It mixes in with the air, and is constantly getting circulated in a fruiting chamber.
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Paranoja said: So what is the real truth, and what is considered fanning? Opening tubes and waving out air?
Yes, just circulating the air out of the tub, and replacing it with new, less humid air, to promote evaporation.
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Paranoja said: Another question about temperature. When i started this i was counting on warm weather that is usual for this time of year here. Unfortunately its not warm, its cold. The temperature in the room is about 20-22 C during day (68-72 F) and 17-18 C (62-65 F) during night. Is that to cold to start fruiting?
Not at all.
Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.
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Re: How am i doing? [Re: PussyFart]
#18341908 - 05/30/13 04:43 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, just circulating the air out of the tub, and replacing it with new, less humid air, to promote evaporation.
outside air is really humid, its raining every day and humidity is 70%+, idk how much "less" humid air i'm introducing to the tube
I'm a bit confused, isnt the idea to keep humidity as high as possible, replacing air will decrease humidity, no?
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Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.
so its just a matter of time? clod=slow? how long does it take to fully mature in high 60's-low 70's compared to mid-high 70's?
also, what will happen if it falls to low 60's? im guessing nothing bad, but still, better to ask than not
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Re: How am i doing? [Re: Paranoja]
#18341931 - 05/30/13 04:58 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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The humidity should be in the upper 90's in the tub, so a drop to 70 would be good enough for evaporation to happen.
(Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.)
The idea is to keep the humidity as high as possible, for the most part, but a slight fluctuation is a good thing.
The humidity will build right back up, because moisture will be evaporating off the substrate.
Yes, the cooler it is, the slower it goes. There is no way to tell what the exact difference would be when comparing temps, there are many other variables other than temperature.(genetics, moisture content, substrate consistency, available nutrients, etc.
Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.
If it falls into the low 60s, it will be a little slower, how much slower is an unknown, because, as said above, there are too many variables.
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Re: How am i doing? [Re: PussyFart]
#18341946 - 05/30/13 05:10 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok, so my number one concern is good fanning. Opening the tubes and waving the lid for half a minute/3 times a day. will that suffice?
Btw, much thx for answers
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