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OfflineMalachi
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is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight?
    #1831839 - 08/20/03 01:36 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

and if so, whose side would you be on? of course, if depends on the circumstances, but you can still give qualified replies. if the peta people + the pot people + the black nationalists teamed up, I could see some shit going down... and I'd be willing to overlook some ideological conflicts if it meant an end to the police state.


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Re: could america be headed for another civil war? [Re: Malachi]
    #1831850 - 08/20/03 01:38 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

No, not any time soon. I would most likely be on the side the majority of the people would be on. The current governments side.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Malachi]
    #1831871 - 08/20/03 01:44 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

There are hardly any mass riots fuelled by policy in the United States, why would a civil war seem probable.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Malachi]
    #1832135 - 08/20/03 03:28 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

these gun-laws they're slipping under people's noses should soon prohibit any type of effective citizen revolt; just like the Nazis did..


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1832260 - 08/20/03 04:38 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

this nazi bit really has to get cleared up, cause alex123 says that it was the previous gov't that tried to ban guns to stop hitlers street thugs. do you have a real source for your comment?


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Malachi]
    #1832290 - 08/20/03 04:55 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Apathy rules.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Revelation]
    #1832297 - 08/20/03 04:57 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I imagine no one ever does see civil war coming...


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Malachi]
    #1832352 - 08/20/03 05:43 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Malachi said:
I imagine no one ever does see civil war coming...



Except for the loonies who see all types of things.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Malachi]
    #1832401 - 08/20/03 06:46 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Whatever side the hippies, Peta People and black nationalists were on i'd be on the other side. But we all know that all three would be comprised of the weakest of society so it would be a slaughter.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1832454 - 08/20/03 07:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

no way the black nationalists could overthrow by themselves. they got soul.

if there was a committed terrorist group within the US, the administration would freak out and alienate all the liberals. (the cons, of course, would love it.) it's be marshal law and shit, and that's when revolutions happen.

police state:
I throw a molotov cocktail at the precinct, you know how we think
Organize the hood under i ching banners
Red, black and green instead of gang bandanas
F.b.i. spyin on us through the radio antennas
And them hidden cameras in the streetlight watchin society
With no respect for the people's right to privacy
I'll take a slug for the cause like huey p.
While all you fake niggaz {*unnngh*} try to copy master p
I want to be free to live, able to have what i need to live
Bring the power back to the street, where the people live
We sick of workin for crumbs and fillin up the prisons
Dyin over money and relyin on religion for help
We do for self like ants in a colony
Organize the wealth into a socialist economy
A way of life based off the common need
And all my comrades is ready, we just spreadin the seed



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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Malachi]
    #1832464 - 08/20/03 07:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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black nationalists could overthrow by themselves



Nah..... they'd never put the crack pipes down long enough to fight.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1832501 - 08/20/03 08:30 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

showing your true colors again, huh LDS?

and a picture of the pround LDS:


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Malachi]
    #1832511 - 08/20/03 08:38 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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no way the black nationalists could overthrow by themselves. they got soul




if you're talking aboot a dance-off then you'd be right.

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if there was a committed terrorist group within the US, the administration would freak out and alienate all the liberals. (the cons, of course, would love it.) it's be marshal law and shit, and that's when revolutions happen.




Are you implying that there is a difference between the republicrates and the whining liberals?

I like black people so i think i would concentrate my shots on the hippies and peta/greenpeace people, especially the hippies.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1832519 - 08/20/03 08:45 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

you're just trying to be controversial. who doesn't like hippies? they're nice, and they smoke good dope too.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Malachi]
    #1832523 - 08/20/03 08:49 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Come-on Elf Boy..... at least try to make the insults funny.

And that's obviously not me..... my hairs shorter and I have a bit more gray and a beard, plus a couple extra wrinkles.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Malachi]
    #1832524 - 08/20/03 08:50 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Why would 'hippies', PETA people, and Black Nationalists band together inthis hypothetical scenario anyway? Why not Mexican illegals, sun tan lotion models, and harpsichord players?


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: TheHobbit]
    #1832531 - 08/20/03 08:55 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

TheHobbit said:
Why would 'hippies', PETA people, and Black Nationalists band together inthis hypothetical scenario anyway? Why not Mexican illegals, sun tan lotion models, and harpsichord players?


Actually it's the needle-pointers you've got to watch out for.

Those old ladies are crazy.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1832545 - 08/20/03 09:06 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

They are pretty fucked up, they play it cool like 'Oh, we're just a bunch of little old ladies doing needlepoint', and then when your back is turned they're pulling your pants down, packing your ass with plastic explosives, and blowing your whole ass off. That's why I kill 'em on site, can't be too careful.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Malachi]
    #1832552 - 08/20/03 09:10 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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you're just trying to be controversial. who doesn't like hippies?




hippies are usually (not all of them) self-righteous hypocrites.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1832555 - 08/20/03 09:16 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

uh... do you have extensive experience with hippies? cause actually most of them aren't like they are on TV. just so you know.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Malachi]
    #1832574 - 08/20/03 09:29 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, most hippies live underground with the mole-people where they are free from persecution


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Malachi]
    #1832600 - 08/20/03 09:41 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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uh... do you have extensive experience with hippies?




My aunt and uncle resemble that show Dharma and Greg. It's sickning.

Hippies, Peta people etc. feel they need to tell people how to live but get upset when others tell their lazy asses to get a job.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1832635 - 08/20/03 09:56 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think the term 'hippies' really has much validity by this point; that's best used to describe a long extinct creature from the sixties.

"Hippies, Peta people etc. feel they need to tell people how to live but get upset when others tell their lazy asses to get a job."

Well, yeah, because they more than likely have a job, and get tired of some retart telling 'em to get something they already have. I've done protests and get the 'Get a job' remark yelled at me, which makes alot of sense on a Saturday when the person telling you that obviously isn't at work either.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: TheHobbit]
    #1832691 - 08/20/03 10:26 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think the term 'hippies' really has much validity by this point; that's best used to describe a long extinct creature from the sixties.




You're right, those hippies had purpose and direction. Modern day hippies are a characture of themselves while standing on a pedestal of moral self righteousness.

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Well, yeah, because they more than likely have a job, and get tired of some retart telling 'em to get something they already have.




Yeah just like those that are more successful find it irratating that some loser that needs a shower is telling them that they are facist evil-doers because they don't support the the hippies/libbies points of view. A good example would be all of the Hate that is on this site.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1832721 - 08/20/03 10:35 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"Yeah just like those that are more successful find it irratating that some loser that needs a shower is telling them that they are facist evil-doers because they don't support the the hippies/libbies points of view. A good example would be all of the Hate that is on this site."

I don't think there's alot of actual hate here, maybe I'm wrong, just heated debate...even the most hard-assed Republican shroomer is welcome in my home, beer's in the fridge, help yourself :smile:




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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: TheHobbit]
    #1832731 - 08/20/03 10:40 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think there's alot of actual hate here, maybe I'm wrong, just heated debate




Oh, i think it's nothing but hate, it's sort of sad if you think aboot it. The hippies in the 60's were better at getting their points across w/o hate and violence like many of the protests that happen today. Hell, one just needs to look at the last Woodstock, fucking morons.

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even the most hard-assed Republican shroomer is welcome in my home, beer's in the fridge, help yourself




That's good to hear, Luvdemshrooms and I will be over around 8:00 pm.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: TheHobbit]
    #1832736 - 08/20/03 10:41 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Exactly.  When conservatives dish out criticism, they consider it funny, but when the liberals dish it out they consider it hateful.  It's all just good debate so we can both hopefully learn something.  I learn a ton here.  :stoned: 


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Cornholio]
    #1832756 - 08/20/03 10:54 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Exactly. When conservatives dish out criticism, they consider it funny




Give an example if you don't mind.

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but when the liberals dish it out they consider it hateful.




no, when liberals smash in windows and throw bricks at innocent people we find that to be a tad hateful. Besides when someone starts a thread that says "I Hate GWB, I Hate Big Businesses, I Hate America (fill in a country of your liking) It's only makes sense that they are speaking from their heart. Why hide from it? Just admit the hate and we can move on from there.

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It's all just good debate so we can both hopefully learn something. I learn a ton here




A healthy debate doesn't have Hate in it. Maybe liberals like to hate, who knows?


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1833125 - 08/20/03 01:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Well two pages of nothing...


The revolution is here! will you....
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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1833173 - 08/20/03 01:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Plus one post of even less. :smirk:


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1833178 - 08/20/03 01:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Tough choices.

I guess a lot depends on who a person sees as the enemy and how willing they are to lay down their life for what they believe in.

Personally I see the issue as a lack of courage. There may be a lack of intelligence these days. There may be a lack of morality these days. There is probably a lack of a lot of things.

But in my opinion it is the appalling lack of courage that is the most troublesome.

Us versus them.

Which side I am on?

Freedom. I want the freedom to live my life as I so choose with the minimum of interference from others.

Would I fight for my freedom?

Yes, and lose my life in the process if I had to. Remember, we will all die someday. So I guess you can live your life as a coward and die as one or you can live your life as a free man and take the consequences for your actions.

Each of us makes that choice everyday.


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    #1833185 - 08/20/03 01:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

well put..


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1833189 - 08/20/03 01:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

no, when liberals smash in windows and throw bricks at innocent people we find that to be a tad hateful

well, since we're dealing with stereotypes....

when conservatives blow up abortion clinics and burn down black churches, I find that to be a tad hateful...

and btw, what does the last woodstock have anything to do with liberals?


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: ]
    #1833195 - 08/20/03 01:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Mr_Mushrooms said:
Freedom.  I want the freedom to live my life as I so choose with the minimum of interference from others. 




So d) then, ...move to canada? :laugh:

Why fight for such petty causes....yes you die anyway, but you won't be remembered for whatever conflict you loose yourlife to, so why not go live how you wisy, wherever you can?


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1833198 - 08/20/03 01:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Plus one post of even less. :smirk: 




Oh, come now....its anonymous, so noone will know you'd move to canada.... :wink:


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1833217 - 08/20/03 01:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"That's good to hear, Luvdemshrooms and I will be over around 8:00 pm."
Yeah, but what do I serve, I mean, does it have to be domestic?

I don't think anybody is going to get too far fighting the government, no matter how many firearms you possess, they have the means to put out a big crowd of people very quickly (BZ gas).



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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1833225 - 08/20/03 01:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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when conservatives blow up abortion clinics and burn down black churches




were those the same churches that turned out to be lit by those that attended those churches? or are these new ones? Oh and i'm not a conservative so it falls on deaf ears.

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I find that to be a tad hateful...




It's more than a tad hateful rather evil.

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what does the last woodstock have anything to do with liberals?




I was demonstrating the attitude of todays percieved "hippies" (ie: the violence, fires and general meyham)


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1833232 - 08/20/03 01:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I'd only move to Canada if i could live with you.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1833234 - 08/20/03 01:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, I have considered moving to Canada and am considering it. However, I am looking for a broad range of freedoms that I probably wouldn't be able to enjoy there.

And as far as fighting is concerned I weigh my options carefully and I do not fight needlessly. There is a difference between a brave man and a fool.

But it is also said that the man who only fights when he can win is either a coward or a bully and likely both.

In some sense we fight everyday. It is a manner in which we live. When you are in a group of people discussing some issue and a side is taken by the group that is wrong, do you remain silent and keep the peace at all costs? Or do you quietly state your case and take the abuse which might follow?

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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: ]
    #1833292 - 08/20/03 02:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Mr_Mushrooms, what do you think of the words spoken by James Garner (I think it was as Bret Maverick or maybe in 'Support Your Local Sheriff'), "He who doesn't fight and runs away, lives to run another day."


BTW, I do like what you posted on this subject. :thumbup: 


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Malachi]
    #1833342 - 08/20/03 02:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It was the Weimar Republic that banned guns in Germany, but that made it quite easy for gangs of nazis to bully people into submission.

Kristalnacht was perpetrated by goons armed with little more than clubs.

As for your civil war question, what are the sides goign to be?

You think PETA and black nationalists are going to get along?

Also, you say "pot people", which includes a hell of a lot of libertarians and conservatives. I really don't think legalizers like George Shultz, P.J. O'Rourke, and W.F. Buckley are going to sign up with PETA or Louis Farrakahn.

I'll fight for the republic, and I'll bet that my side has most of the guns and the training. That doesn't even count actual uniformed forces, either.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1833358 - 08/20/03 02:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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join the rebels.




Who are the rebels? Nation of Islam? Aryan Nations? The Rainbow Family?

If it's any of those 3, or similar groups, I'm opening fire on them.



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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1833363 - 08/20/03 02:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

What about the N.O.W gals?


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1833380 - 08/20/03 02:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The 'Liberty Belles' and the 'Second Ammendment Sisters' will kick their goddamned ass.

The Pink Pistols will beat the crap out of Queer Nation.

And the libertarians of various stripes in NORML will simply turn to the hippy next to them and cap them in the melon :smile:


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1833406 - 08/20/03 02:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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What about the N.O.W gals?



You mean N.A.G. don't you?


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1833441 - 08/20/03 02:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

YAY!


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Autonomous]
    #1833444 - 08/20/03 02:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That goes without saying!    :wink:


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1833450 - 08/20/03 02:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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What about the N.O.W gals?




Their only problem is that they need to get laid, if we have just one brave soul to do this that group would be gone.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1833457 - 08/20/03 02:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Even the really ugly ones?


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1833485 - 08/20/03 02:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

all of them? I'd better eat my wheaties.

Gloria Steinem was pretty hot back in the day. She was a Playboy Bunny.



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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1833897 - 08/20/03 04:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

They're all ugly...ok maybe just 99% of them


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1833907 - 08/20/03 04:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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join the rebels.




Who are the rebels?




Why the ones who started the rebellion of course!


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Malachi]
    #1833980 - 08/20/03 04:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I think we were a hell of a lot closer to civil war in the sixties, and even then we were nowhere near anything serious happening.

The problem with america is, most of the radicals are in the educated classes, the poor are too busy just getting by, and haven't had enough education to really take any action within the system. Once the educated kids get married and get jobs they tend to become more concerned with providing the best possible environment for themselves and their children than with making the system better for everyone.



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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Malachi]
    #1834621 - 08/20/03 07:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

and if so, whose side would you be on? of course, if depends on the circumstances, but you can still give qualified replies. if the peta people + the pot people + the black nationalists teamed up, I could see some shit going down... and I'd be willing to overlook some ideological conflicts if it meant an end to the police state.

you're really testing my will to adhere to the no-flaming rules with this one.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1834662 - 08/20/03 08:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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Exactly. When conservatives dish out criticism, they consider it funny


Give an example if you don't mind.


Well, look at the response to many Ann Coulter articles, for example, which is nothing more than hateful liberal bashing.
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when liberals smash in windows and throw bricks at innocent people we find that to be a tad hateful.


I totally agree.  That's just plain wrong, but given the number of liberals in the country, I really don't think it's a very common occurance (is it?).
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Besides when someone starts a thread that says "I Hate GWB, I Hate Big Businesses, I Hate America (fill in a country of your liking) It's only makes sense that they are speaking from their heart.  Why hide from it?  Just admit the hate and we can move on from there.


Oh, if you're talking about hatred towards the policies of Bush and big business, I agree.  I thought you were talking about hatred towards fellow shroomerites.
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It's all just good debate so we can both hopefully learn something. I learn a ton here


A healthy debate doesn't have Hate in it.


I agree, there shouldn't be hatred directed towards fellow shroomerites.  But hating things like unnecessary war and corruption I think is normal.  :loveeyes:   


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Cornholio]
    #1835928 - 08/21/03 02:34 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Cornholio said:
Quote:

Innvertigo said:
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Cornholio said:
Exactly. When conservatives dish out criticism, they consider it funny


Give an example if you don't mind.


Well, look at the response to many Ann Coulter articles, for example, which is nothing more than hateful liberal bashing.
Quote:

when liberals smash in windows and throw bricks at innocent people we find that to be a tad hateful.


I totally agree.  That's just plain wrong, but given the number of liberals in the country, I really don't think it's a very common occurance (is it?).
Quote:

Besides when someone starts a thread that says "I Hate GWB, I Hate Big Businesses, I Hate America (fill in a country of your liking) It's only makes sense that they are speaking from their heart.  Why hide from it?  Just admit the hate and we can move on from there.


Oh, if you're talking about hatred towards the policies of Bush and big business, I agree.  I thought you were talking about hatred towards fellow shroomerites.
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It's all just good debate so we can both hopefully learn something. I learn a ton here


A healthy debate doesn't have Hate in it.


I agree, there shouldn't be hatred directed towards fellow shroomerites.  But hating things like unnecessary war and corruption I think is normal.  :loveeyes:     




I quoted this because i didn think it was long enough...

now all I have to to is post an oversimplified, uninformed opinion!
 


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Phluck]
    #1835938 - 08/21/03 02:40 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Phluck said:
I think we were a hell of a lot closer to civil war in the sixties, and even then we were nowhere near anything serious happening.

The problem with america is, most of the radicals are in the educated classes, the poor are too busy just getting by, and haven't had enough education to really take any action within the system. Once the educated kids get married and get jobs they tend to become more concerned with providing the best possible environment for themselves and their children than with making the system better for everyone.






perhaps if the poor didn't get the little bones of welfare and medicare thrown at them, they would be down for some guerilla warfare.

how about the aryan nation / milita types + the black nationalists + the illegals? then they could just split up the country. I'd go live with the illegals.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Autonomous]
    #1836240 - 08/21/03 06:24 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Mr_Mushrooms, what do you think of the words spoken by James Garner (I think it was as Bret Maverick or maybe in 'Support Your Local Sheriff'), "He who doesn't fight and runs away, lives to run another day."


BTW, I do like what you posted on this subject. :thumbup:   




Thanks :laugh:

Obviously the quote is funny and truthful.  If a person likes to spend all of their time running I suppose that's ok for them.

Here's a funny story.

A few years ago I was the assistant EVC for the 19th congressional district for the NRA.  That's a guy who kicks the pro-gunners in the ass and gets them registered and voting. (I have since left the organization)

A piece of legislation came up in our town prohibiting hand guns.  I felt it was my duty to attend the Safety Forces committee and stand up for my right to defend myself.  Now, I knew the man was going to be there and it really isn't such a smart thing to do because taking a stand like that really exposes you. 

You could be harrassed by the police in many many ways.  This is a small town and I knew I was making myself a target.  I was very nervous so I wore my "I AM THE NRA" button and sat down at the table.

Here's the funny part.  The Captain of the police was so intimidated by me and my button he was actually stuttering and stammering after I explained my offical position and why I was there.  He offerred to work with me and draft the legislation together.  What I came up with was just a mirror of Ohio Revised Code so the net effect was that we didn't have any more gun rights taken away.

That is just one example of choosing to take a stand and fight rather than remaining silent or running away. 


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: ]
    #1836434 - 08/21/03 09:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I say, put all the pot heads on a train to Canada...please :smile:


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: TheHobbit]
    #1836455 - 08/21/03 09:48 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I don't wanna go up there!


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: shakta]
    #1836460 - 08/21/03 09:56 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Come on man, we'll invent the Hannity bong, and debate right/left wing politics until we've smoked so much good bud we don't even care anymore.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: TheHobbit]
    #1836462 - 08/21/03 09:58 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Alright, send me a plane ticket, and make sure you have plenty of food and beer and I am there.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: shakta]
    #1836586 - 08/21/03 11:09 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

See, the promise of good doobie just melts political differences away...a long-time friend is moving up there soon, must be great, and surreal, to be able to get weed so easily.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: TheHobbit]
    #1836631 - 08/21/03 11:25 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You guys need a third guy? I'd move up if i had a show like that to look forward to. We could be very fair and balanced.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1836817 - 08/21/03 12:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Newsflash:
Thursday, August 21st
The Associated Press

Fox News Channel, a division of NewsCorp, has just sued Shroomery member Innvertigo for trademark infringement due to his use of the phrase "Fair and Balanced".

Innvertigo is expected to have to present a written apology to Fox, penned in pigs blood. In addition, he will be required to work with retarted children 2 mornings a week, and will have to do over 400 situps every day for one year.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1836951 - 08/21/03 01:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Hmmm, we may need to start considering some women in this group, Inv, but I guess as long as the doobies are fair and balanced it's cool.


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: TheHobbit]
    #1836972 - 08/21/03 01:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

So you'll swing both ways as long as you're stoned?


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1837020 - 08/21/03 01:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Eeeeewwwwwwwwwww, no I didn't mean that (not there's anything wrong with that).


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Re: is the USA headed for civil war? would you fight? [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1837074 - 08/21/03 01:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

:laugh: Now THAT was funny!


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