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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: InTheBiggun] * 1
    #18317155 - 05/25/13 01:53 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Some notes for the people who have trouble digesting the text:

  • Plastic is better than glass because the contents heats up faster in the PC.

  • Containers that can be used through the entire cycle, including fruiting are better, because you don't have to break up the mycelium.

  • A solid clump of mycelium absorbs water very well, which make adding water between flushes possible.

  • If you can add water directly, there is little purpose to bulking.

    (Hypothetically, the volume of grain that has nutes for 10 shrooms only has water for one. To solve that problem by mixing it with another substrate that has the reverse proportions, a bulk substrate, is an awkward way to go about it.)

  • Lawn grass seed is the best grain because they are small and hard to clean up and you'll be picking them out of your socks for weeks.

  • No, I got that last one wrong, didn't I?

  • They colonize quickly, and are very nutritious.


Skipped lots of minor points, that the major ones as I understand it.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: anne halonium]
    #18317196 - 05/25/13 02:12 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

28 days for those pins?  I probably would have just went with regular BRF cakes but thats just me. 






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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #18317859 - 05/25/13 08:38 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Look at all these nice guys, talking so assuredly about the clear and obvious differences between potency of different fungi… Where is your anal-retentive info elitism there? Why aren't you telling them that they have no right to speak on such matters until they've sent off their shit for testing? My statements should be taken in no more serious a light than theirs. A clear difference in potency is a clear difference in potency. Nobody would deny this for the same reason they wouldn't deny the clear difference between typical Cubensis and Pan or Psilo Cyanescens. It's much easier to be skeptical on the other side of the internet than when someone just shoved 2gs in your face.

Biggun, talking of "who the onus is on" will get you nowhere.
You can pretend all day that I have some such responsibility but it's a farce.
If it is YOUR desire to find out with the exact methodology you insist upon, the onus is on you to find the means how because we all know we have no such reasonable and reliable means. My stance here is clear.

I wasn't saying to prove your potency first. But then, once again, it seems you haven't really read what I've said without filtering thru your bias and whittling it to suit your ends.
I was saying that if you can show that such data can be obtained reasonably, reliably, and believably, that I'll follow suit.
Frankly no such results could be believable until they're tested by a 3rd party. Show me some unbiased 3rd party that can test our results and I'll be on it. To my knowledge, this isn't the case, so you're beating a dead horse.

My point with the testing is that you have no better means to assert your demands than you would have me assert them. You only want to steer me to a dead-end and it won't work. It's a folly attempt and you know it's nothing more than trolling. Anyone who takes the moment to observe the content of your few posts can see your motives and priorities. Off with you, sock puppet.


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IF everyone who posted a new theory or idea or tek had to provide laboratory data... Then there probably wouldn't be any teks or info on the forums...



AMEN


For that matter, have any of you considered that this could be the best way I thought of to begin acquiring such data?
Did none of you other smart skeptical and critical-thinking peeps fail to consider that this is the only way I could think of to "submit for peer review"?
No, you might have thought of that, but it doesn't fit into the way you want to knife at others instead of test and learn for yourself and others.

Quit subtly or carefully attacking me due to things such as personal butthurtness or pretense that I insult you, and instead get to finding out some REAL INFO to fill what seems to be a hunger of info you know I don't have! It's why I'm here.
Why are YOU here?! You all show your triviality with your posts!

I dare you to first be what you want me to be for you. Until then, the only thing you have brought to the table are unrealistic expectations.


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28 days for those pins?  I probably would have just went with regular BRF cakes but thats just me. 






ProfessorPinHead, did you just come in here chasing a personal beef with someone else?
Why make this post otherwise? Such a statement must be made intentionally forgetting the clear difference in flush capacity over your stated grow of preference.
The first flush from grows like these may not seem impressive (especially when still tiny pins, do all you haters forget this?). It's the flush capacity that is to be impressed by, as has been shown and stated over and over again.
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Don't let impressive first-flush-photos turn your attention away from total yield.



Certainly you're no stranger to this? If so, why make your way into my grow tek thread with a statement that ignores thus aimed at someone irrelevant?

I don't mean any offense here. I'm just not so sure now that you don't, so do forgive any perceived trespass.

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Hobart Cutter]
    #18317869 - 05/25/13 08:43 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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  • If you can add water directly, there is little purpose to bulking.

    (Hypothetically, the volume of grain that has nutes for 10 shrooms only has water for one. To solve that problem by mixing it with another substrate that has the reverse proportions, a bulk substrate, is an awkward way to go about it.)




  • Yeah, Hobart, that's the ticket!!!!
    :super: :bigblunt:


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  • Lawn grass seed is the best grain because they are small and hard to clean up and you'll be picking them out of your socks for weeks.

  • No, I got that last one wrong, didn't I?



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    Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
        #18318142 - 05/25/13 10:23 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

    All I asked is how you verified your potency increase claim.

    Didn't know it was a touchy subject.

    You think calling people 'puppets is very unfair, then you sling the lable at me for asking a question. Odd.

    Edited by InTheBiggun (05/25/13 10:25 AM)

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    Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: InTheBiggun]
        #18318178 - 05/25/13 10:36 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

    Duly noted that you avoided the real responses to your 'inquiry', tried to spin for the personal effect, & are totally ignoring the point to suit your asinine motives.

    It's not a touchy subject. You're trying to make it a touchy subject. I know exactly where it stands, you don't, so find out for yourself. Again, that's my stance & it's clear.

    My question for you is, how would YOU verify a potency increase claim the way you ask for me to? If you have something good, please do tell as I'm all ears;
    I've kept asking you for what you would accept as a reliable and reasonable 3rd-party testing source and you keep avoiding it. Until you have an appropriate answer, stay away with this malarky.


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    Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
        #18318231 - 05/25/13 10:52 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

    Quote:

    My question for you is, how would YOU verify a potency increase claim the way you ask for me to? 




    I would never make such a claim of potency superiority. Nor would I publically proclaim to have surpassed bulk grows.

    But that's just me.

    I had no idea when I posted the question that it would be taken so offensivly. You're a smart fellow, so I thought ,if you claim potency superiority with your tek, then you must have defintive proof of the claim, and so I asked how you test for potency to support your theory.

    So basically , you have a hunch that your fruits are more potent.

    Edited by InTheBiggun (05/25/13 10:54 AM)

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    Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
        #18318280 - 05/25/13 11:03 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

    Keep editing those posts biggun ;]

    I don't care about whether you've made claims of potency or not, your statement there is irrelevant.
    I don't care if you would not share a truth you had found about improving yield, your statement there is irrelevant.
    I don't care that you are expecting something from me that you know nobody could provide but are still trying to pin me to presenting it.

    I don't "have a hunch." I have more potent fruits sitting right near me and it'll test just as well tomorrow as it has the last many months amongst many testers. You ask me to prove it by unreasonable means then pretend it means I can't be sure it's true. Eat 3g Cyanescens then pretend the difference cannot be known and shown without expensive and tedious lab testing.

    Keep on trying to make me seem as if I'm offended. Clear-eyed readers know otherwise, and see that you're just encircling THIS:
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    I've kept asking you for what you would accept as a reliable and reasonable 3rd-party testing source and you keep avoiding it. Until you have an appropriate answer, stay away with this malarky.




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    Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
        #18318301 - 05/25/13 11:07 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

    I don't think Violet cares....but maybe that's just my observation...lol

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    Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
        #18321319 - 05/26/13 01:03 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

    Quote:

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    28 days for those pins?  I probably would have just went with regular BRF cakes but thats just me. 






    ProfessorPinHead, did you just come in here chasing a personal beef with someone else?
    Why make this post otherwise? Such a statement must be made intentionally forgetting the clear difference in flush capacity over your stated grow of preference.
    .




    No I did not come in here chasin a personal beef with anyone. I saw your thread in mush cult because someone posted on it and it was bumped up to the top of the thread listings.

    I am not knocking your tek. I'm just saying those cakes / plates or what ever he calls them do not look healthy.

    I was just pointing out that if it were me I probably would just go with BRF cakes rather than fruiting off of fertilized grains.

    I can't for the life of me figure out why you guys are using fertilizer to grow mushrooms but that is another story.

    Coir, poo, BRF all produce the same potency. It is the genetics and fruiting conditions that determines potency.

    You can believe me or not but I have a lot of experience fruiting many different isolates of many differen species off of many different substrates
    and have found this to be fact not opinion.

    I highly doubt your addition of miracle grow is some profound new discovery in mycology.

    Actually I doubt it so much I can guarantee you I will never bother tryin the method.

    If you want more potency grow something more potent is how I see things. Zapos are twice as potent as cubes for example.

    There is a list of reasons tha I would chose BRF over fert grain...  one being  the production of fertilizers is bad for the environment and most are petroleum based unless you are using organic fertilizers.

    This will definitely be my last post on this thread. I see where it's going and don't really want to be responsible for your thread getting ruined with fighting or even worse locked.

    My opinion on ferts aside nice write up Violet. I'm glad to see its working out for you... :smile:

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    Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
        #18322195 - 05/26/13 08:06 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

    in respect , for violets thread,
    i shall deal with you at another time pinhead.


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    Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
        #18322200 - 05/26/13 08:09 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

    Thanks PinHead!

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    Actually I doubt it so much I can guarantee you I will never bother tryin the method.




    Duly noted…


    EDIT: Can't help but wonder if you doubt that 'composting' bacteria in field manure process urine into forms that help mycelia grow on just the predigested grass husks. Unless you deny that bio process, I find it hard to deny that plant food can be usable as such.


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    Edited by Violet (05/26/13 03:42 PM)

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    Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
        #18326099 - 05/27/13 01:10 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

    Violet does this bottom corner look contammed to you,



    It's the one jar I PC'd on it's side and it was also the first that I did a g2g with and I fumbled for a bit. But all my other jars look great and the master jar smells fresh. Will post pics when I fruit them. I don't have a Greenhouse, but I have a monotub and than a SGFC, which do you think would be preferable?

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    Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: smurf_master]
        #18326205 - 05/27/13 01:46 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

    Yeah everything there looks fine so far to me!

    Your shotgun chamber will be great, but you'll out of room in it & old monos work too.
    It's good to mist enclosed tote chambers (like using mono totes) daily somewhere as you visit to fan a couple times a day, and make sure to mist the chamber walls when you're at it.


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    Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
        #18326226 - 05/27/13 01:55 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

    Sweet stuff! Good thoughts before I sleep thanks for the great help.

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    Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: smurf_master]
        #18332831 - 05/28/13 11:12 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

    Edit:
    I misunderstood. I thought violet was looking for supporting evidence or something along those line and thus planned on chronicling my grass seed -> bottom watering attempt. Feel free to delete.


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        #18332868 - 05/28/13 11:22 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

    I'm confused. Why those things, and why post them here?


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    Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
        #18332886 - 05/28/13 11:27 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

    Hey violet,

    I got some nice, very pale fruits, in comparison to the same culture grown in A monotub with coir/verm. Almost albino-looking. The grass seed fruits were also considerably denser than any of the fruits from my mono's. I found this interesting.

    However, even with 95+% RH in my unaltered tub they are sitting in, the cakes are drying up considerably. I am bottom-watering but they dont seem to be recovering. I may only get 1 flush from these...

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    Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: the_jerk]
        #18337675 - 05/29/13 10:45 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

    Too dry.
    If by "same culture" you mean an isolate, the paler caps are due to dryness. I would second-guess whatever it is that's telling you 95+%RH
    If you do actually have ~95%RH and are encountering dryness problems it's because of excess airflow and/or that humidity is entirely supplied by the cakes hence them drying out. A continuing problem means you should be misting lightly but liberally, all-over such a tub FC not just the casing layers themselves.

    Are they cased? In less than 99%RH my uncased cakes almost always side-pin and have dry fruitless tops most of their flushes.
    This is why I case them. They do wonderfully in 87-98%RH, although lower humidity will require more occasional misting of the casing


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