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Re: Methoxetamine and you [Re: danlennon3]
    #18308018 - 05/23/13 07:11 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Taking MXE with people is massively confusing.

I take 30mg like a champ solo but with others its a wild rollercoaster ride.

Nothing should happen in your surroundings. People talking, the TV being on, birds hopping around in a cage, anything that happens magnifies the confusion.


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Re: Methoxetamine and you [Re: Asante]
    #18308060 - 05/23/13 07:40 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I have taken 30mg and I have taken 100mg and so far I fucking hate the stuff. I get the mindset of being high, the body feelings of being drunk, and sort of the plasticy-everything-is-fake feeling of tripping. But the high is completely neutral. No euphoria. No real notable interesting thoughts. Nothing interesting visual. And it normally comes with dizziness and or a headache. I have yet to hole on the stuff though and that is the only reason I'm giving it another chance.

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Re: Methoxetamine and you [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #18308066 - 05/23/13 07:41 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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twighead said:
Basically - unless you take waaaaaay too much... but I doubt you ate more than 200-300mg, which is still plenty hefty...

And they're called dissociatives, of course it'll dissociate you from your bodily tings :awesome:




Not sure what the lethal dose of it would be but it would be insanely high.




My dealer took a gram and died the week after I met him :facepalm: He was revived, but I guess we can say a gram is dangerous territory.

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Re: Methoxetamine and you [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #18308145 - 05/23/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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I have taken 30mg and I have taken 100mg and so far I fucking hate the stuff. I get the mindset of being high, the body feelings of being drunk, and sort of the plasticy-everything-is-fake feeling of tripping. But the high is completely neutral. No euphoria. No real notable interesting thoughts. Nothing interesting visual. And it normally comes with dizziness and or a headache. I have yet to hole on the stuff though and that is the only reason I'm giving it another chance.





You need to connect with it, learn how to use it. And yes, Holing helps a lot with establishing that connection. Have you tried lying in your bed in darkness and silence on the stuff?

Often for me its not euphoric too in fact often I have no emotions at all because the e3motional centers of the brain are offline.  Lower doses are typically more euphoric than higher doses.

This drug isnt about feeling good, its about falling halfway unconscious, your consciousness halfway disconnecting from your senses and the void that forms being filled up with imagery and experiences from the Great Beyond.

:mxe:  is an oral sensory deprivation tank. What happens in there is up to you. Its not the drug that happens, its the Divinity Within that manifests when you are halfway shut off from your senses.

What I do is take 30mg, wait 1:30-2 hours, then another 30 and so forth. Then at a certain point, usually after 2-5 doses of 30mg, a world opens up behind my closed eyelids,

What I see and experience often is EXTREMELY similar to this, the inner workings of a cell:




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Re: Methoxetamine and you [Re: Asante]
    #18308153 - 05/23/13 08:08 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I tried laying in bed with the lights off and everything. I mean there were some very very very VERY mildly interesting effects but nothing to write home about. I feel if i had more of it and could play with it more I may be able to get a better feel for it

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Re: Methoxetamine and you [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #18308164 - 05/23/13 08:12 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I added more to my precvious post, please read back.

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VERY mildly interesting effects but nothing to write home about.





As you enter the Hole you will be more THERE than HERE. The viusuals and experiences from beyond will be experienced stronger than the underlying RL reality.

Its a matter of perseverance.

I tried and tried, then one night I broke through, on LESS than I used to take, and since then breaking through on the substance has become secoind nature.

You need to bruteforce it at first, then when you "get it" breaking through will become more a matter of set and setting than of dose.  If I throw myself wide open for the Hole, I can now hole out on a single 30mg.


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Re: Methoxetamine and you [Re: Asante]
    #18308183 - 05/23/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Oh wow, that video you posted looks VERY similar to other depictions of the experience I've seen. Interesting, I need to secure a good source for the stuff again and give it another go.

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Re: Methoxetamine and you [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #18308243 - 05/23/13 08:42 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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I need to secure a good source for the stuff again and give it another go.





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Re: Methoxetamine and you [Re: Asante]
    #18309363 - 05/23/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Taking MXE with people is massively confusing.

I take 30mg like a champ solo but with others its a wild rollercoaster ride.

Nothing should happen in your surroundings. People talking, the TV being on, birds hopping around in a cage, anything that happens magnifies the confusion.




I believe this to be entirely subjective, as with any drug some prefer different environments. Dissociatives are no exception to the set, and setting rule of thumb.


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Re: Methoxetamine and you [Re: Asante]
    #18313618 - 05/24/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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I believed what you now believe: MXE is just a K analogue, so if you dose too high you'll just be anesthetized, right? Wrong.

I've actually had a psychotic break on MXE. This isn't impossible. It's not an alternative to K, it's probably closer to PCP.





MXE is a PCP analog, absolutely, not disputing that at all. Psychotic breaks have been known to occur on K too.

Seek, I'm very sorry you had a freakout and I hope you will manage to get yourself fully back together again.  And I hope you will tell us all what happened, your take of warning.

I really hope you'll be allright.

But you fell victim to the "harmless" mentality. K isnt harmless ands MXE certainly isnt harmless either. They are hardcore psychoactive drugs. In fact, few drugs are as hardcore as anesthetics.

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never turn your back on a drug. Especially when it's waving a razor-sharp hunting knife in your eye.




Its a wonderful drug to most but youn have to be VERY careful with it.  And if you are it can STILL mess you up.

I'm very sorry to hear of your misfortune but I believe you have underestimated the seriousness of this drug. If I in any way contributed to that I apologize.




It's alright, I'm totally fine now. I made a mistake and I admit that. You didn't contribute to it, I haven't checked this forum in MONTHS.

Here it goes:
Warning: Dissociatives overdoses and psychotic breaks are very possible. They don't just "put you under" at higher doses.
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I was foolish. Recently, I decided to binge on some MXE. I recklessly took amounts of 60mg+ up the nose and partied all day and all night. Like a fucking idiot. MXE doesn't just wear off in an hour, it stays in your system for maybe 2 to 4 hours. I believe the residual amounts potentiate it when you redose as well.

I thought I knew so much about what dissociatives can and can't do. I thought I could take higher and higher doses without consequences, dangerously assuming that if I went too high, I'd just be sedated and immobile.

I was so fucking wrong. I was stupidly fucking wrong.

I apologize to anyone who took my advice about dissociatives in the past. Just because they're "anesthetics" (I am beginning to question this), does not mean that a psychotic break isn't possible.

I decided to plug it at around 11pm at night.

I plugged around 100mg. What happened next was absolutely fucking horrific, and for most of it, I had no idea that any of it was happening.

1. I broke things in my room.
2. I started screaming at midnight. I woke up everyone in the house. My mother came in my room to investigate.
3. I nearly choked my mother, and I scratched her arm. She had to call my uncle in the next room to get me off of her. No serious damage, but I am so angry at myself and I quit drugs because of this.
4. Police were called. They came in with guns drawn. My mother told me they pointed their guns at me. They were scared of me because of how crazy I was, screaming and smashing things.
5. I got a busted lip. My computer monitor was broken.
6. I was hauled off to the Psychiatric ER in an ambulance. It took 4 men to restrain me, I could hardly stand up, I was wobbling and falling all over the place.
7. I was screaming in the Psych. ER that I was a dragon and I wanted to fuck. I was trying to take off my pants and flash people. Some crazy female patient repeatedly tried to have sex with me and they had to restrain her.
8. I was not allowed to leave when I sobered up slightly, and it was pure torture. Another patient beside me expressed the same sentiments when his mother came to visit, crying that he had nothing to do.
9. When they finally moved me to a lower security ward, they told me everything that happened. **I cried and cried and cried when I found out all the damage I caused.**
11. I never told my psychiatrist or therapist about my drug use, and since they work in the same hospital I ended up in, they came to visit me. They now knew about my drug use, my ugly secret life was revealed, everyone knew. I cried when they found out about my drug use.
10. When my mother visited me in the ward, I cried some more. Even my grandmother found out, and when she heard, she got diarrhea from the stress. I was deeply saddened.
11. They let me go after around 48 hours, when I calmed down and expressed regret, disbelief and a strong desire to quit. I meant it when I said I'd quit.


Worst fucking trip that I ever had to go through. Throughout the part with the police, **I had no idea that I was being restrained by officers, I just thought I was dying.** I was breathing so hard, trying to stay alive, it was just a pure void of nothingness. Scary!

Dissociatives are nothing to play with! There is no safety net at higher doses! My MXE trip was no different from a PCP trip!

**I am no expert on dissociatives just because I had a few dozen good trips, I am just a reckless fool who played with large amounts of powder and went psychotic. I could've killed my own mother [ :'( ], I could have been killed by the police, who knows what could have fucking happened. I fucked up. I quit.**





This is from someone who's had many K and MXE trips. Shit just went wrong this one time. We're all OK now, but goddamn I regret that night. I feel like a warning thread should be made by you, Wiccan_Seeker if you haven't already. People are more likely to pay attention. Many won't really know about the dangers if they're hidden deep inside of threads of praise.

I know I got too cocky with the drug, I know it's my fault... but other people could make the same mistake if they believe the same things that I did.

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Re: Methoxetamine and you [Re: seek]
    #18313736 - 05/24/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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MXE doesn't just wear off in an hour, it stays in your system for maybe 2 to 4 hours.




MXE is active for 3-9 hours and every dose you take on a day affects the ones taken after them.  It stays in your system for days.

I'm very sorry to hear of your misfortune, you stacked it higher and higher until the only way out for your mind was to flip out. Worst of all of this is you attacking your mother, please me very sure that the relationship recovers and give it time to do so.

In my series of MXE posts, yes making a cautionary thread makes sense. I'll do that sometime.

I'm glad you're OK now.

I think you flipped out and didnt go psychotic, because of the massive amounts of dissociatives. Not to kick you in the nuts when you're down, but this happened because you didnt study the drug properly (such as the very long duration), you didnt respect the drugs and the limits to which you pushed yourself.

You had a PCP style freakout, yes that can happen, I'm sorry it happened to you.

Can you guesstimatre how much you took in those 48 hours in total?


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Re: Methoxetamine and you [Re: Asante]
    #18313782 - 05/24/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Be careful with dissociatives. they can have a dark side.


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Re: Methoxetamine and you [Re: Asante]
    #18313809 - 05/24/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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MXE doesn't just wear off in an hour, it stays in your system for maybe 2 to 4 hours.




MXE is active for 3-9 hours and every dose you take on a day affects the ones taken after them.  It stays in your system for days.

I'm very sorry to hear of your misfortune, you stacked it higher and higher until the only way out for your mind was to flip out. Worst of all of this is you attacking your mother, please me very sure that the relationship recovers and give it time to do so.

In my series of MXE posts, yes making a cautionary thread makes sense. I'll do that sometime.

I'm glad you're OK now.





Everything is fine with my mother now. I was more upset than she was, by far.

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I think you flipped out and didnt go psychotic, because of the massive amounts of dissociatives. Not to kick you in the nuts when you're down, but this happened because you didnt study the drug properly (such as the very long duration), you didnt respect the drugs and the limits to which you pushed yourself.





I know, I know. I am usually responsible.

My mistake was thinking that MXE was exceptionally forgiving, and that I had nothing much to worry about.

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You had a PCP style freakout, yes that can happen, I'm sorry it happened to you.

Can you guesstimatre how much you took in those 48 hours in total?




It was definitely 160+ mg throughout the course of one day. That sounds stupid as fuck, and it is. But let me clarify before I'm crucified here:

I've done dissociatives a lot. I've had many trips with DXM, K, Salvia, Nitrous and MXE. I have a perma-tolerance to dissociatives and I knew how to navigate the headspace well. I loved K-holes/M-holes. They require higher doses and they usually left me lying down calmly, so I wasn't too cautious.

My lack of caution led to me diving straight into very high doses of MXE the day I got my hands on it. Even though I hadn't touched it in months. I didn't bother to gently increase the dosage, because I thought I knew what I was doing. It was like skipping the tutorial for a game you've played many times before, even if you haven't played in a while.

I thought I was an expert, but I was just an enthusiast. I was giving people advice like I invented the damn drug. Now I realize how I was full of shit and start to notice that a lot of other people are full of shit too. I'm far more skeptical these days.

But I'm sure the misconception that higher doses won't hurt (as much as with other drugs) still persists in other people's minds. I thought I was intelligent and informed because of my experience and reading erowid... I was not. That experience humbled me. I'm just a guy who likes to trip hard, and sometimes the trips can kick my ass. This is true for many people, but they don't realize it yet. 

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Re: Methoxetamine and you [Re: seek]
    #18314964 - 05/24/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I was watching this thread and I knew it was only a matter of time until a story like this popped up. For the sake of harm reduction, let's keep in mind that no drug is safe.
Dissociatives are very powerful hallucinogens and should not be abused. There is a lot of information about dissociatives on erowid and the warnings shouldn't be taken lightly. Check it out, if you choose to use.

Wiccan, I also think that this thread belongs into ODD, not the pub.


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    #18315032 - 05/24/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Seek that's awesome that it humbled you so.


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Re: Methoxetamine and you [Re: seek]
    #18318058 - 05/25/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Here it goes:
Warning: Dissociatives overdoses and psychotic breaks are very possible. They don't just "put you under" at higher doses.
y fault... but other people could make the same mistake if they believe the same things that I did.




I can definitely get behind this statement. Whenever I stress the safety profile of K and MXE, it is the physical safety, in that if you take too much you won't die (eg. respiratory depression, which is a quite common myth). But the potential for a breakdown exists - dissociative drugs are definitely not for everyone. This is the same reason PCP had such a bad rap. Some people cannot handle dissociative drugs. Many people also freak out on Ketamine, only because of it's shorter half life and greater sedation, it doesn't do as much damage.


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