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Pot Leaf number?
    #1831801 - 08/20/03 01:28 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Does the number of leaves on a leave (does that makes since) but like i have a friend who has one with 1 leave of 7, the rest are all 5 and 3 and shit just wondering if that meant anything


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Re: Pot Leaf number? [Re: shroominsmurf]
    #1831883 - 08/20/03 01:48 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Means nothing.


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Re: Pot Leaf number? [Re: cdchriscd]
    #1832284 - 08/20/03 04:52 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

It means nothing its just normal growth, usually the first sets are 3 then latter sets are 5 and then up to 7.


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Re: Pot Leaf number? [Re: poke smot!]
    #1836846 - 08/21/03 12:44 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

This is what it means: The world soon will end.


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Re: Pot Leaf number? [Re: poke smot!]
    #1837355 - 08/21/03 03:10 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

up to 7? ive seen them with 9 and 11 finger leaves


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Re: Pot Leaf number? [Re: Audi0]
    #1838936 - 08/21/03 11:24 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

as long as it's odd.


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    #1842463 - 08/23/03 12:39 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Pot Leaf number? [Re: rommstein2001]
    #1845142 - 08/24/03 12:15 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Generally speaking the final lamina number (of the given phenotype) indicates in part sexual maturity, though the best guide is pre-flowers and alternate phyllotaxy. That said, lamina number is more of interest in heteroblastic development, where re-veg of a flowering plant starts as one lamina and increases in number in progress to full vegetative state.


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    #1845369 - 08/24/03 02:27 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Wha?

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Re: Pot Leaf number? [Re: Meph]
    #1846076 - 08/24/03 07:53 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

my friends plant just started gettin prebuds from running his lights 24/0 for 7 1/2 months. what if there are 6 leaf ones n shit? that are all deformed? there are like 1 or 2 of those around


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Re: Pot Leaf number? [Re: shroominsmurf]
    #1846919 - 08/25/03 12:35 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Meph, pre-flowers are of either sex that eventually show when run long enough in the vegetative photoperiod when the dioecious plant/s are sexually mature. Dioecious means male & female gender in separate plants. Kiwi fruit vines and Hops are also examples of this.

Photoperiod in Cannabis is short days and long nights, veg is opposite. Cannabis is therefore a short day plant so it flowers in autumn or if you set the lights to 12 hours on and 12 hours off. Snapdragons on the other hand are a long day plant, they will only flower as the days lengthen, therefore spring. Pic of MJ clones in 12/12.



Alternate phyllotaxy is where the petioles (leaf stems) are no longer opposite to one another on the main stem as is seen in immature seedlings. The alternate phyllotaxy indicates sexual maturity. Sometimes in Cannabis they'll be whorled in alternate phyllotaxy. Some people see that as desirable as they'll have more budding sites per unit of plant. Pic of clones in early 12/12, note the alternate phyllotaxy.



Lamina (in the case of Cannabis) are the blades of a leaf and any leaf that's made up of a number of parts is called a compound leaf. Thus, Cannabis has compound leaves. An example of a simple leaf is Salvia divinorum.

In Cannabis, maturity of the plant from sexual propagation (seeds) is also indicated by the increasing numbers of lamina (blades) per leaf in the growth. But pre-flowers and alternate phyllotaxy are the main means to tell.

Once you see these signs of sexual maturity, then it is ok to flip to 12/12 in your light regime so you get a good inflorescence development (buds). Failing to wait the necessary vegetative time (often 6 to 8 weeks of 18/6 light regime from germination of seeds for sexual maturity) will result in poor flowering. This will mean a poor selection of phenotypes and that will mean shabby keepers (mums/clones taken to repeat runs) or poor cross work in breeding. Pic of sexually mature clone cola in mid-flowering.



Heteroblastic development is the phenomena of reduced complexity from plural lamina down to single lamina and then increasing back again. This can be observed if you re-veg a flowered Cannabis plant.

shroominsurf, there is no need to run a Canna-plant in veg for 7 & 1/2 months. Not only does the plant get huge, square inverse will crucify return in crappy air bud result. "Air bud", for want of a better term are buds that are light and airy and have no mass/meat as a consequence of being shaded out and/or too far from the lamp.

Remember, HID is not like the sun, the sun does not lose lumen strength in just a few feet, it is measured in millions of km's...HID's are not. The only time indoors one runs a plant 24/0 permanently is as a mum where constant docking of foliage for cuttings keeps it pruned down.

You should have flowered that plant at 6 to 8 weeks after germination, taken some labelled cuttings when sexually mature, determine the sex by preflowers or even early 12/12 and if you see a desired phenotype then turn the striked and labelled clones into mum/s...thus effect "the keeper trial" where grow after grow are solid clones.

As for the warped lamina, that's nothing to be alarmed about.



Finally, it's best if people learn the botanical terms as it makes understanding the topic a lot easier.



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