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Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" (Contest Addendum) 1
#18317141 - 05/25/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've been taking Celastrus paniculatus in several different forms throughout the years and had nothing but excellent results. Celastrus is a nootropic, or "smart drug" that has been linked to all kinds of improvements in cognitive function, memory, intelligence, attention and concentration.
I've read from a few sources that it also has a side effect of being an aphrodisiac/libido enhancer, and have experienced this side effect as well.
Does anyone else have experience with this plant?
Anyone know how to extract the oil from it?
I've taken both an extracted form in a pill and I've also done (and am currently taking) the chewed up seeds, the traditional way.
I'm really curious whether the seeds themselves are viable so if anyone knows, I can't seem to find much info on it. I read that it's an endangered tree in India so I would love to grow it. Although since India is so wet I'm not sure it would appreciate this dry Socal climate. I'm currently soaking a bunch of the best, most viable-looking seeds in water overnight to see if I get any germination or the seed-coat swells, etc.
Some info and studies:
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Celastrus paniculatus is a shrub used in Ayurdevic medicine in India. Various properties are attributed to the aerial parts of the plant, but we will deal here primarily with the seeds and the oil expressed from them. This information is provided for educational purposes only and no medical claims are made or implied. These statements have not been reviewed by the FDA for accuracy. These products are not meant to diagnose, treat, prevent or cure any disease or condition. Their use is regarded only in terms of health supplements which may or may not have intrinsic value.
Celastrus paniculatus seeds and oil have long been regarded in India as beneficial to the intellect and memory. The seeds are hot, bitter, dry, acrid, appetizer, emetic expectorant, sodorific, liver tonic, aphrodisiac, stimulant, powerful brain tonic, stimulate intellect and sharpen memory, cure joint pain, paralysis, rheumatism, weakness; seed oil enriches the blood, cures abdominal complaints, stomachic, tonic, treats cough, asthma, leprosy, headaches, leucoderma. Seeds are used externally on foul, indolent ulcers and scabies. From the seeds an oil is obtained. It is said to be excellent for beri-beri (note: vitamin B1 deficiency disease) and 10-15 drops daily acts as a powerful stimulant, followed in a few hours by a free diaphoresis, unattended by subsequent exhaustion; oil is used in courts and colleges to increase intelligence (Indian Medicinal Plants vol. 1 Lalit Mohan, Basu, India)
The seeds are acrid, bitter, thermogenic, emollient, stimulant, intellect promoting, digestive, laxative, emetic, expectorant, appetiser, aphrodesiac, cardiotonic, anti-inflammatory, diuretic, emmenagogue, diaphoretic, febrifuge and tonic, and are useful in abdominal disorders, leprosy, pruritis, skin diseases, paralysis, cephalalgia, arthralgia, asthma, leucoderma, cardiac debility, inflammation, stranguary, neuropathy, amenorrhoea, dysmenorrhoea and fever and for stimulating the intellect and sharpening the memory. The seed oil is bitter, thermogenic and intellect promoting and is useful in abdominal disorders, beri-beri and sores. (Indian Medicinal Plants, a compendium of 500 species, V.2,Orient Longman 1994)
Decoction and oil of the seed are considered a powerful stimulant for neuromuscular system and are given in rheumatism, gout and paralysis. It is used as a brain tonic to promote intelligence and to sharpen the memory.. (Major Medicinal Plants of India, R.S. Thakur, H.S. Puri and Akhtar Husain, Central Institute of Medicinal and Aromatic Plants, Lucknow, India. 1989)
Oil is rubefacient; seeds are alterative, stimulant and nervine; seeds and oil stimulate intellect and sharpen memory Uses: Oil with benzoin, cloves, nutmeg and mace added is a sovereign remedy for beri-beri (Note: vitamin B-1 deficiency caused disease) and a powerful stimulant. Oil is used as a pomade for relieving rheumatic pains of a malarious character and in paralysis. It is also used in a pomatum made by mixing one part of the oil in 8 parts of butter for application to the head. It is known as "magzsudhi" (brain clearer) and believed to promote intelligence. (Indian Materia Medica, Dr. K. M. Narkarni)
The seeds have a bitter sharp taste; expectorant, tonic to the brain and liver; cure joint pain, paralysis and weakness. In addition to the properties of the seeds, the oil is stomachic, tonic, good for cough and asthma; used in leprosy; cures headaches and leucoderma. The seeds are thought to be hot and dry, aphrodisiac and stimulant, useful both as an external and internal remedy in rheumatism, gout, paralysis, leprosy and other disorders. Crushed and combined with aromatics they are very efficient in removing pains of a rheumatic or malarious nature. Bruised and formed into a poultice they are a good stimulant application to foul, unhealthy and indolent ulcers. The seeds are supposed to have the property of stimulating the intellect and sharpening the memory.
Recent studies have shown Celastrus oil has the ability to increase the intelligence of mentally retarded children. It is concluded...that Celastrus oil has a beneficial effect on the learning and memory process in mentally retarded children. (Studies on biogenic amines and their metabolites in mentally retarded children in Celastrus oil therapy. K. Nalina, A.R. Aroor. K.B. Kumar and Anjali Rao, Alternative Medicine, vol 1 #4 pg 355-360. 1986)
The oil in its raw state has a shelf life of 2 years if kept in a cool and dark place such as a refrigerator. When put into softgels the shelf life can be expected to be much longer, on the order of four years if kept in a dark and refrigerated state.
There are many studies that show the oil is not harmful even in doses many hundreds of times those normally administered. No mortality was observed following oral administration of Celastrus oil even with the highest doses. Celastrus oil administration up to the highest dose (5 g/kg body weight)* did not produce any toxic effect on the normal behavior of the rats. Celastrus oil did not impair motor coordination at any dose level.. *3500 times the softgel dose of 100mg.
Effects of Celastrus paniculatus on passive avoidance performance and biogenic amine turnover in white rats. K. Nalina, K.S. Karanth, A. Rao and A.R. Aroor. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 47 (1995) 101-108.
The products of this plant used clinically are considered safe with low toxicity. Dosage: 2-10 drops of oil twice a day (Selected Medicinal Plants of India [A Monograph of Identity, Safety and Clinical usage]) Published by Basic Chemicals, Pharmaceuticals, and Cosmetics Export Promotion Council, Bombay, India (Set up by the Ministry of Commerce, Government of India) pg. 82.
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The effect of Celastrus paniculatus Willd. (Celastraceae) seed aqueous extract on learning and memory was studied using elevated plus maze and passive avoidance test (sodium nitrite induced amnesia rodent model). The aqueous seed extract was administered orally in two different doses to rats (350 and 1050 mg/kg) and to mice (500 and 1500 mg/kg). The results were compared to piracetam (100 mg/kg, p.o.) used as a standard drug. Chemical hypoxia was induced by subcutaneous administration of sodium nitrite (35 mg/kg), immediately after acquisition training. In elevated plus maze and sodium nitrite-induced amnesia model, Celastrus paniculatus extract has showed statistically significant improvement in memory process when compared to control. The estimation of acetylcholinesterase enzyme in rat brain supports the plus maze and passive avoidance test by reducing acetylcholinesterase activity which helps in memory performance. The study reveals that the aqueous extract of Celastrus paniculatus seed has dose-dependent cholinergic activity, thereby improving memory performance. The mechanism by which Celastrus paniculatus enhances cognition may be due to increased acetylcholine level in rat brain.
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Celastrus paniculatus is an endangered Indian medicinal plant which has been used for thousands of years in the traditional Ayurvedic system of medicine. It is fast gaining importance in the primary healthcare systems as well as in herbal drug formulations. Oil obtained from the seeds of the plant is reported to be highly beneficial in stimulating intellect and sharpening the memory. It also acts as a potential nervine tonic, rejuvenator and an anti-depressant. Moreover, the plant possesses a strong antioxidant as well as free radical scavenging activity. C. paniculatus has also been exploited for its potential role in the management of neurodegenerative diseases and other neuronal disorders such as Alzheimer’s disease. Oil being a powerful stimulant for neuromuscular system is also used for the treatment of rheumatism, gout and paralysis. This review aims at exploring the detailed phytochemical composition, pharmacological properties as well as therapeutic applications of different parts of C. paniculatus.
Sources: http://www.celastrus.com/celastrus_paniculatus_research.htm http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20645820 http://www.ijpbs.net/vol-3/issue-3/pharma/33.pdf
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#18317184 - 05/25/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I recently started eating these as well, I am up to about 10-15 seeds a day and I definitely feel something other than placebo effect. Feels like a really low dose of adderall as far as keeping me enhanced cognitively, even while smoking. I have been eating them for about a month and just ordered a kilo so plan to keep em going. Not much information on the web really just the same stuff over and over it seems.
I too have put a few seeds that were viable looking into some soil to try and germinate, will post back with my results as well.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: djmattz0r]
#18318361 - 05/25/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, I specifically notice more clarity when I'm smoking herb as well. Seems to kind of break through the haze, so to speak.
I just checked those seeds that I soaked overnight, so far no sprouts but it has only been around 12 hours, so I'll check them a few more times before I give up.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#18318787 - 05/25/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have however noticed that with the enhanced clarity, it can somewhat lower the amount of high you will feel from herb... Nothing too bad but I have noticed a difference on and off. None of my seeds show any sign of growth but I had to remove a ton of rainwater from the germ tray this morning :/ Did you sow the full seeds with casings still on (so 3-5 individual seeds) or bundles or individuals? I kinda threw a mix since I had no clue what I was doing
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: djmattz0r]
#18319394 - 05/25/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, with the enhanced clarity it does make being high a little different of an experience. With the lower amounts of celastrus I agree that it seems to take away from the experience a bit. Lately I've been taking a huge handful of them, maybe around 50 seeds a day or so and I've been feeling amazing. I'm extremely clear-headed and being high seems to be almost better in a way, definitely different.
I threw a bunch in water. Some were grouped seeds, as they make little clusters of around 5 seeds or so I believe. Some of them were individual seeds.
I did very carefully cut a couple of good looking ones in half with a razorblade and I clearly saw what looked like healthy cotyledons in there, so assuming they're not treated with anything they should be viable.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#18320302 - 05/25/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Very cool! I've been trying to get viable Uncaria Tomentosa or Cat's Claw Vine for a long time. It is also nootropic and fights cancer and HIV (wtf!?).
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With Celastrus paniculatus and Uncaria you'd become a super horny and intelligent healthy person yes please.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#18322071 - 05/26/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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they taste pretty funky. Almost like san pedro
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: nicechrisman]
#18322766 - 05/26/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't think it tastes quite as bad as San Pedro, and not nearly as bitter.
The oil from them is slightly bitter, but more of just an oily taste in general.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#18322788 - 05/26/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah not nearly as bad for sure. It just kinda reminded me of tasting a little piece of SP
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: nicechrisman]
#18324036 - 05/26/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have had amazing affects from these seeds, but not until right now had I thought of trying to grow some, I gotta run to the nursery...
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: Galidor4]
#18324215 - 05/26/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I feel like the seeds first taste a bit like hay in your mouth as you chew them and once they wash over your tongue you get the yummy bitterness of alkaloids... Not quite nearly as bad as San Pedro but I definitely keep something around to wash my seeds down with.
Hopefully one of us will have luck with these things germinating!
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: djmattz0r]
#18368475 - 06/04/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bump. No one else has any experience with Celastrus paniculatus in any form?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#18369669 - 06/04/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry bro. Im drinking beer now, and it makes me feel smarter. Maybe they are related.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: SmOakland]
#18371233 - 06/05/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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So I checked my seeds and most of them had turned to mush from being in moist soil under the humidity dome. I will toss a few here and there but have given up for the moment. I find that the smaller hard ones are probably the best from what I saw in the soil, the fatter ones just turned to goop. Still eating them and still
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: djmattz0r]
#18371652 - 06/05/13 08:50 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Posting to subscribe. Maybe I'll try to track some down.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: psi]
#18373180 - 06/05/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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You should man, they're relatively cheap and it really does work.
I read somewhere that in India they don't even take Gingko biloba cause it's never really been proven to do much of anything other than thin the blood, and plus they have Celastrus, that has shown itself to work extremely well for thousands of years in Ayurvedic (traditional Indian) medicine.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#18373183 - 06/05/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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I hear it gets you mad high if you plug it.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: nicechrisman]
#18373233 - 06/05/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm sorry sir, but is this on topic?

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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#18373236 - 06/05/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm sorry. I couldn't resist.
Kinda making a joke about why more people haven't heard of this. If it got you high, everyone would be talking about it. Who needs smarts when you can be mad buzzed?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: nicechrisman]
#18373248 - 06/05/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's cool, I thought it was funny. It's hard to type right now cause I'm busy trying to plug some of this Celastrus...
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#18374549 - 06/05/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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So no results from planting the seeds?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: Galidor4]
#18401803 - 06/11/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Alright - I've been doing some research on celastrus paniculatus (Intellect Tree), which may have just become a new favorite herb of mine. In ayurvedic medicine, the oil of the seed is used - by students for concentration and enhanced memory, in older folk for memory loss, for marijuana smokers, also memory loss. The seeds contain fatty acids, the whole plant has been reported to contain yellow waxy oil, steroids/terpenoids, flavonoids, tannins upon preliminary phytochemical screening. Leaves contain stilbenes (piceid, reveratrol, viniferin, ampelopsin). Stem, leaves, roots are reported to possess hydrocyanic acid, delphinidin and several flavonoids such as cyanidin is reported in the leaves. This plant also contains kaempferol, myricetin, quercetin, triterpenes and epifriedelanol. Constituents Celastrine, paniculatin among other active alkaloids are what is most studied. It also a profound dream enhancer, as I've be finding, if taken about an hour before bed.
In experimental studies the effect of Celastrus oil, on learning and memory in a two-compartment passive avoidance task was studied in rats. The effects on the contents of norephinephrine (NE), dopamine (DA) and serotonin(5-HT) in the brain and on the levels of their metabolites both in the brain and urine were also assessed.
Significant improvement was observed in the retention ability of the drug-treated rats compared with the saline administered controls. The contents of NE, DA and 5-HT and their metabolites in the brain were significantly decreased in the drug treated group. These studies clearly indicate that Celastrus oil causes an overall decrease in the turnover of key chemicals that directly affect learning and memory.
There is ongoing research into the possibility that anticancer drugs like pristimerin, which is derived from the seeds of the Celastrus plant, may be an effect means of treating certain types of cancers, or to inhibit the growth of specific types of cancer cells. Research conducted by H. Yang et.al. has shown pristimerin to be quite active against nine cancer cell lines. Although much more research still needs to be done, the potential health benefits of Celastrus seed oil looks very promising.
Nalini, K; Karanth, K.S; Rao, A; Aroor, A.R. (1995). Effects of Celastrus paniculatus on passive avoidance performance and biogenic amine turnover in albino rats. Journal of Ethnopharmacology. 101-8. Russo, A; Izzo, A.A; Cardile, V; Borrelli, F; Vanella, A. (2001). Indian medicinal plants as antiradicals and DNA cleavage protectors. Phytomedicine. 125-32. Zhixiang, Z; Funston A. (2008). CELASTRUS Linnaeus. China 11: 466–474.
What really intrigued me about celastrus is that it increases levels of ACETYLCHOLINE in the brain. Acetylcholine is a neurotransmitter crucial in forming and recalling memories, and many herbal memory enhancers, such as brahmi and celastrus seed, may work in part by prolonging the presence of acetylcholine in the brain. Many physicians have suggested that acetylcholine-boosting medications may also be effective in treating mild cognitive impairment (MCI) a less serious form of age-related memory degeneration.
It gets better.
The classic fast excitatory neurotransmitter of the peripheral nervous system, acetylcholine (ACh), is found in a mirror symmetric pair of amacrine cells in the vertebrate retina. In the rabbit such cells have been named starburst cell (Famiglieti, 1983; Masland and Tauchi, 1986). One of the mirror pair occurs in the amacrine cell layer with dendrites in sublamina a (OFF sublamina of the IPL). The other of the pair has its cell body displaced to the ganglion cell layer and its dendrites stratify in sublamina b (ON sublamina of the IPL).
These ACh containing amacrine cells are common to almost all vertebrate retinas and have been described morphologically in human retina too (Hutchins and Hollyfield, 1987; Kolb et al., 1992) (see previous chapter on amacrine cells). ACh starburst amacrine cells co-localize GABA (Vaney and Young, 1988). Both muscarinic and nicotinic receptors have been demonstrated in the mammalian retina, particularly associated with transient phasic ganglion cells (Y cells) (Keyser et al., 1989; Hughes, 1991) and directionally selective ganglion cells (Grzywacz et al., 1998; Strang et al., 2007). Apparently starburst amacrine cells are excitatory with ACh release early in development of the retina and this release is necessary for development of retinal waves. Later in development the starburst cells use inhibitory GABA release to influence directional selectivity in the DS ganglion cells (Zheng et al., 2004; Masland, 2005).
http://webvision.med.utah.edu/book/part-iv-neurotransmitters-in-the-retina/
Interesting - Acetylcholine acts on two vastly different classes of receptors - nicotinic receptors(tobacco) (with two subtypes, one at the neuromuscular junction of skeletal muscle, the other within ganglia and the CNS), and muscarinic receptors(muscarine from "poisonous mushrooms") (widely distributed within both peripheral and central nervous systems). Muscarinic receptors originally were distinguished from nicotinic receptors by the selectivity of the agonists muscarine and nicotine respectively. Check out the similarities in structure for all three of these compounds.
Wikipedia can sometimes to helpful - One well-supported function of acetylcholine (ACh) in cortex is increased responsiveness to sensory stimuli, a form of attention. Phasic increases of ACh during visual,[16] auditory [17] and somatosensory [18] stimulus presentations have been found to increase the firing rate of neurons in the corresponding primary sensory cortices. When cholinergic neurons in the basal forebrain are lesioned, animals' ability to detect visual signals was robustly and persistently impaired.[19] In that same study, animals' ability to correctly reject non-target trials was not impaired, further supporting the interpretation that phasic ACh facilitates responsiveness to stimuli. Looking at ACh's effect on thalamocortical connections, a known pathway of sensory information, in vitro application of cholinergic agonist carbachol to mouse auditory cortex enhanced thalamocortical activity.[20] In addition, Gil et al. (1997) applied a different cholinergic agonist, nicotine, and found that activity was enhanced at thalamocortical synapses.[21] This finding provides further evidence for a facilitative role of ACh in transmission of sensory information from the thalamus to selective regions of cortex.
Also - Have you heard of piracetum? According to the producers - Piracetam improves the functioning of the (ACh) transmitters and receptors. Acetylcholine, abbreviated as (ACh), is implicated in memory processes and development. Choline sources, like Alpha GPC and choline bitartrate, increase the production of Acetylcholine. Piracetam as a synergistic supplement stimulates, increases, and improves the functions these ACh receptors. Not only is ACh implicated in memory processes, the chemical compound is a neurotransmitter in both the peripheral nervous system (PNS) and central nervous system (CNS) in many organisms including humans.
Read more http://smartdrugsforthought.com/what-is-piracetam With my preliminary research, my hypothesis is that this is also part of how the Celastrus functions as a nootropic, in the Ach realm at least
That's all the time I have now, and I have to do more research, but preliminary self-study seem to express a much higher threshold of attention and concentration. I have also been finding my vision to be sharper and sometimes even "glowy".
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No experience with it, way cool!
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: Ferburu]
#18495918 - 07/01/13 06:20 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I want to grow these so bad, but I think I may have to travel overseas to obtain viable material. anyone, anywhere, have luck finding a plant or seeds that germinate? I'm going to a do a ga3 inoculation with all my fingers crossed because its the only thing I haven't tried. When cutting the seeds they seem to have a healthy cotyledon inside, so I'm assuming there's some massive anti germination coating on the exterior.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: leafing42]
#18498387 - 07/01/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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thanks for all the info, guys...i just ordered some seeds to try out for myself.
also, when i receive them i will try to germinate some as well to see if i cant get 'em going. i have a few tricks up my sleeve.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: chuptoo]
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Got a kilo from india, will try germinating them too but my last attempt was a fail. It was the most insane package I have ever received in the mail, was inception wrapped and sown together then sealed with wax...
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: starmon]
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
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For anyone who's still interested in growing Celastrus paniculatus I found this pdf (http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/8145/1/NPR%204%286%29%20482-486.pdf) that has some techniques to improve seed germination from around 12% (natural germination rate) to almost 75%.
I was lucky enough to find it growing wild here in Pennsylvania.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: thinkerer]
#19058195 - 10/30/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mallacht, ever have any luck with seed germination?
Don't know how I missed this post before, really interesting.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: thinkerer]
#19058245 - 10/30/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I read that you have to wash the seeds to remove the outer covering, you can use the naphta, then use GA3 at 350pp for 3 day
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: turtle_hermit]
#19058738 - 10/30/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have been considering carrying these. I am not sure your typical herb grader is viable. Anyone have luck growing them?
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i have some seeds in the mail. ima try to grow them.wish me luck! there cumming from India so it might b a wile ): i sent a message to the person i got them from,and they said there good seeds for growing!!!
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: skullphuxxx]
#19080704 - 11/03/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good luck! but vendors are willing to say whatever you wanna hear.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: Galidor4]
#19176380 - 11/22/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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just got my seeds! they look like they would grow. anyone had any luck yet?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: skullphuxxx]
#19176668 - 11/22/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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A bit of lite reading  http://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/12440722/note-on-celastrus-paniculatus-willd-ssp-aggregatus-km-matthew-
http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=30555&hl=%2Bcelastrus+%2Bpaniculatus
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: thinkerer]
#19311406 - 12/22/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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thanks for the info- live in pa too. i'm going to have to do some exploring
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: thinkerer]
#19311634 - 12/22/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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thinkerer said: I was lucky enough to find it growing wild here in Pennsylvania.
Are you talking about Celastrus scandens or maybe C. orbiculatus? I don't think Celastrus paniculatus is native to Pennsylvania. Scandens Fruits are toxic. All parts may be toxic. Do not ingest.
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just found out about such seeds. are the seeds nutty as in crunchy or more like hemp or chia seeds? I had ask what healthy seeds are out there on another thread so I was definitely looking for whatever edible seeds I could find.
celastrus paniculatus only grows in India?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: CLIT]
#19324706 - 12/25/13 07:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its tropical and isn't native to america. The dude that has one posts and said he found it in Pennsylvania growing wild. As far as I'm aware it has not established in the US and the relatives that live here are invasive and toxic. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
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I did catch it and you're right. hopefully the dude at worst got an upset stomach
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: InfiniteToker]
#19326933 - 12/25/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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well can someone describe the taste? is it easy on the taste buds like other edible seeds (chia, hemp, poppy, etc.)?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: CLIT]
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no, it's kinda bitter and "medicinal" tasting.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: nicechrisman]
#19326965 - 12/25/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You're not gonna wanna savor the flavor
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: nicechrisman]
#19327121 - 12/25/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ay happy Birthday!
I guess I should try these seeds. I can use all the help I can get....
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I've used all kinds of nootropics. Hopefully something more natural like this seed is just as good. Though I'm not into weed as some described this seed to feel kinda like "weed". I'd prefer it to be more nootropical than "recreational".
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: CLIT]
#19360327 - 01/02/14 07:19 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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I don't think it's like weed at all, I think it's great for people who smoke weed though, because it prevents the negative aspects from smoking such as brain farts and poor memory. It's kinda like taking adderall in my experience, keeps you there cognitively.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: turtle_hermit]
#19360864 - 01/02/14 09:36 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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CLIT said: I've used all kinds of nootropics. Hopefully something more natural like this seed is just as good. Though I'm not into weed as some described this seed to feel kinda like "weed". I'd prefer it to be more nootropical than "recreational".
I think you mistook the first conversation in this thread.
djmattz0r and I were talking about how it seems to make being high from weed a different experience, because of the enhanced clarity.
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turtle_hermit said: Mallacht, ever have any luck with seed germination?
Don't know how I missed this post before, really interesting.
Nope, sure haven't man.
Does anyone have a source on any of this "soaking in Naptha, then GA3" etc?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#19363528 - 01/03/14 01:47 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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I've been following this thread and have become very interested in this plant but I'm not to good at cultivating these hard to grow plants <SNIP>
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
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theMallacht said:Does anyone have a source on any of this "soaking in Naptha, then GA3" etc?
from here
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: turtle_hermit]
#19366387 - 01/03/14 11:36 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Great .pdf turtle_hermit, thanks.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#19367533 - 01/04/14 10:28 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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sorry guys I wasn't trying to break any rules, I guess I didn't understand that rule encompasses everything.
Does anyone know of a good place to post the same question where their are people who a lot about these things "ethnobotanicals and such"?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: turtle_hermit]
#19367550 - 01/04/14 10:32 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Yeah thanks for the pdf
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: hookahhead]
#19367677 - 01/04/14 11:28 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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I mean it could possibly be growing if someone planted it. Even though they are growing in subtropic areas, in India they also grow above that where temps drop down to about freezing. I assumed they would be too tender.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: djmattz0r]
#19533405 - 02/06/14 11:45 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've never tried adderall but is celastrus "speedy" like adderall is said to be?
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djmattz0r said: I don't think it's like weed at all, I think it's great for people who smoke weed though, because it prevents the negative aspects from smoking such as brain farts and poor memory. It's kinda like taking adderall in my experience, keeps you there cognitively.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: CLIT]
#19537346 - 02/07/14 10:34 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't find it to be speedy at all, it's just a nootropic so it helps you think better. Aderol is more like a concentration aid
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#19605724 - 02/22/14 07:35 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: Base Icks]
#19606132 - 02/22/14 08:55 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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You bumped a bit of an old thread, but I'm glad you did friend 
I was just thinking about bumping this thread just yesterday. I have been taking Celastrus more frequently and at higher doses lately and I've noticed mood enhancement, and increased mental clarity (even while high as fuck).
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
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Get back to work
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: nicechrisman]
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: nicechrisman]
#19610921 - 02/24/14 02:32 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#20442324 - 08/19/14 12:10 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey there :-) I ordered these seeds and they sat around for a while. Popped some in a dirt but none sprouted do I am now soaking some, if that doesn't work I will try vernilization. I just today ate 20 seeds. I was awake all night and should be dead tired but im not. Cant wait to see how I feel eating them tomorrow when I am rested up. I thought nootropics was a bunch of bull but, I never looked into them either which was rather ignorant of me. I will keep you posted on my progress if any.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: jerseyian]
#20446457 - 08/20/14 01:19 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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If someone figures out how to get these things to sprout, I will be looking into getting myself some for sure
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: cowsRmeat]
#20446582 - 08/20/14 02:00 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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are those sold on ebay clean seeds? I heard some morning glory seeds are sprayed with chemicals to avoid intentionally ingesting it. Could same thing be true for celastrus?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: CLIT]
#20446765 - 08/20/14 03:16 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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CLIT said: are those sold on ebay clean seeds? I heard some morning glory seeds are sprayed with chemicals to avoid intentionally ingesting it. Could same thing be true for celastrus?
I don't believe so as they are usually sold as edible seeds
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#20446766 - 08/20/14 03:17 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alright, let's make things interesting...
2 ft of "good" bridgesii to anyone who can get some of these seeds to germinate.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#20446803 - 08/20/14 03:44 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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theMallacht said: Alright, let's make things interesting...
2 ft of "good" bridgesii to anyone who can get some of these seeds to germinate.
Now im gonna find me some.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: ferrel_human]
#20446884 - 08/20/14 04:34 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are these seeds imported? If so has anyone considered that they might of been irradiated? I know chinese garlic is so it's not viable.
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Irradiation is also employed to prevent the sprouting of certain cereals, onions, potatoes and garlic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irradiation
Just putting it out there........
Probably not irradiated from a quick search. Seems dry seed may be unviable or just take a long time to sprout.
Also just found this PDF which might be helpful>>>http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/8145/1/NPR%204%286%29%20482-486.pdf
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Torsten said: as PH said, freshs eed will germ easly. however older seed often germinates with much delay. cycle wet / dry for a few months and they can pop up many months later.
Source>>http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=30555#entry349438
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#20447210 - 08/20/14 08:07 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hmmmm, doing 18" of bridgessi today. Trying to sprout them so I will yall posted.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: cowsRmeat]
#20447213 - 08/20/14 08:08 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Working on it myself brother.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: CLIT]
#20447219 - 08/20/14 08:10 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would think and hope they are clean, I got mine from amazon. Good question, but, I think maybe, hopefully the vendors know people are going to consume them and maybe don't treat them, MG is sold strictly for gardening purposes by big seed companys.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#20448246 - 08/20/14 01:04 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Once again people, for those who didn't catch that...
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theMallacht said: Alright, let's make things interesting...
2 ft of "good" bridgesii to anyone who can get some of these seeds to germinate.
I will even add if someone can first prove they germinated them and then provide me with a viable source for the seeds via that I will give that person the 2 ft as well.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#20448357 - 08/20/14 01:34 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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what is bridgesii?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#20448499 - 08/20/14 02:13 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sweet offer. Has anyone here tried vernilization? I know form experience certain seeds will only germinate if frozen for a few months.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: CLIT]
#20448504 - 08/20/14 02:14 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bridgessi is an awesome mescaline cacti,, like peyote but much bigger.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: jerseyian]
#20451930 - 08/21/14 12:37 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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If anyone does have success, though, be sure to post it here as well!
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: cowsRmeat]
#20452862 - 08/21/14 07:11 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Will do brother
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: jerseyian]
#20457185 - 08/22/14 12:00 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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if it's for getting high is it more potent than peyote?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: CLIT]
#20457340 - 08/22/14 12:52 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lets keep this thread on the topic of Celastrus paniculatus and not about what's the best cactus to trip off.
Google can answer all of your questions. Failing that, post in the psychedelic experience forum.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: karode13]
#20457389 - 08/22/14 01:13 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fo real
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: karode13]
#20457629 - 08/22/14 03:06 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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All right then, I was just anwering a question really. I hate when I ask something and I get ingored.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: jerseyian] 1
#20458379 - 08/22/14 09:45 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fair enough and understand your point. My experience moderating here just led me to believe that more questions would follow, so I was taking preventative measures to keep things on topic. A little off topic chat is ok, but questions not relating to the thread topic are best asked in the appropriate places.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: karode13]
#20459826 - 08/22/14 02:35 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had my seeds sitting in a drawer vacuum sealed and I guess some bugs started to use the seed bag as a breeding chamber, was not pleased. I tossed the whole bag in my freezer to kill em all and save the seed, haven't been taking them recently but been on a bit of a cleanse I guess.
Interested to see if anyone has luck germing them as I still haven't. Maybe I will try to germinate some of the seed from the freezer, I doubt these need winterization though
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: djmattz0r]
#20459917 - 08/22/14 02:51 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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djmattz0r said: Interested to see if anyone has luck germing them as I still haven't. Maybe I will try to germinate some of the seed from the freezer, I doubt these need winterization though
I thought the same thing at first, but then I read that Celastrus is from 1800m+ elevations in India. Then I looked up whether it snows in India and sure enough there are quite a few places that snow. Not surprising at the right elevations as it is pretty humid there. Most of the relatives of Celastrus paniculatus such as orbiculatus are deciduous so they're harsh winter enduring plants.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#20502322 - 08/31/14 03:34 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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It would be really great if someone could find a live plant of this! I used these a long time ago, beginning at university. Really helped stay focused and no negative effects that I could notice, unlike most other "focus enhancers" out there.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: karode13]
#20514213 - 09/03/14 12:33 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ah no problem brother, just speakin my part :-) I soaked the seeds and none sprouted again, yet... I am putting some in the freezer right now before I enter this post so I will not forget. 2-3 weeks I will try, then a month. Will yall posted.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#20514236 - 09/03/14 12:37 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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AH HA! Knowing that they DO grow in a harsh environment gives me hope that freezing/vernilization will indeed work. Also do they sell the extract for this? I bought a shit ton of seeds but I cannot chew them every day, the taste is just rancid to me. Also I starting throwing up a few days later after taking them for 5 days... I DID notice an increase in energy, I was surprised as hell and happy. I deal with depression so these would awesome to take all the time.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#20571272 - 09/15/14 04:00 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I had started taking these couple months ago from a local supplier, twice every day, then I felt my second order wasn't as potent and it felt decreasingly so, to the point where I didn't bother anymore. Meanwhile I had ordered a big mean bag from India from the link in this thread, which took some 6 weeks and is finally here. These seem to be stronger than either my local batches. But really it's not as bad in taste as people make it, after a week of daily consumption you get used and even look forward to the taste, it's certainly nothing disgusting like HBWR. It's still as bitter as to make plain water taste very sweet though.
One thing I'm wondering: how should I store them? I'm wondering if my last batch went bad and/or lost potency. I just kept them inside the bag within a metal can, nothing very airtight. How do you guys keep these huge bags of seeds to consume over months? Do they just keep alright at room temp?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: soundnvision]
#20571392 - 09/15/14 04:24 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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If the seeds are coming from outside of the country, there is a good chance that they are being treated or exposed to high levels of radiation thus being rendered unviable. I am guessing that the only way to propgate this plant is to start with a live cutting or rooted plant, grow it to seed and then harvest. Those seeds will be viable as long as they aren't radiated.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: CLIT]
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#20906877 - 11/30/14 01:22 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I tried to freeze the seeds after just trying to germinate them right out of the bag. Its called vernilization. They did not come up again. Next I will try a heat matt under neath of them? Says they grow high in the mountains so I cant see why they would sprout straight from the bag. Any Thoughts? I crushed the seeds and drank them in tee for several days. had mild anmethamene like affect. I am ordering the exctract next week because it a PAIN to crush 25 seeds every days. You cant eat them plain, they are DISSGUSTING!! Must be brewed in tea of some sort IME.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" (Contest Addendum) [Re: theMallacht]
#21013767 - 12/22/14 07:10 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey there, Been using the extract for 2 weeks now. Wow the energy.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: jerseyian]
#21014902 - 12/22/14 11:24 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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why can't a company make these in tea form considering it isn't scheduled? Are the seeds being used? So make hot cocoa with it. Can the leaves of this "intellect tree" be used as well to make teas?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: CLIT]
#21090001 - 01/08/15 09:39 PM (9 years, 21 days ago) |
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Why not try the oil? I recently got some from a west coast vendor (Google "intellect oil"). It is much better than those gnarly seeds.
Not bad price wise, but they sell refills without the glass bottle and dropper for even cheaper. I think you have to email them for that though.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: shmizzle]
#21092331 - 01/09/15 12:45 PM (9 years, 21 days ago) |
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Here is an interesting link that describes how to tissue culture C. paniculatus.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: fungus_tao]
#21303370 - 02/20/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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So I found supposedly 85% viable Celastrus paniculatus seed on a popular auction site, just fyi guys.

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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#21303662 - 02/20/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Supposedly isn't too strong of a word. Are you going to give them a shot?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: turtle_hermit]
#21304831 - 02/20/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have them in my possession and they are in the freezer atm. It said on the instructions to fold stratify them in the freezer for 45 days. I set an alarm in my calendar to make sure I remember
I think I may dose a couple of them with GA3 as well.
I only said supposedly because the guy who is selling the seeds on this popular auction site claims that it IS viable seed and that he got 85%. In fact I think he lists quite a few specific variables. The instructions that came with the seeds are very specific regarding stratification, germination temperatures, etc.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#21305496 - 02/20/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm freaking hooked on this stuff now. Not that it's addictive, but it seriously corrects my sleep schedule and totally does away with my "ADD" symptoms exacerbated by my cannabis use. Gives me long lasting energy that makes it easy to get out of bed and bust my ass for ten hours with intense manual labor.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: Acaterpillar]
#21305676 - 02/20/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wasn't interested before but now I am.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: ferrel_human]
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: elborito]
#21307030 - 02/21/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm interested in viable seeds. All sources seem to point to them being irradiated at customs, rendering them sterile. How much did you spend on them as opposed to the regular cost of them?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: Acaterpillar]
#21307408 - 02/21/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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What is your method of ingestion? Does everyone just chew up the seeds?
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I can't find any info. on Celastrus if it has any effect on any of the neurotransmitter, especially dopamine. I've read it has stimulant effect but how is this possible when it also has sedative effect?
I've tried a variety of herbals, not sure if this celastrus would stick. Seems as if almost everything has its own hype about them. I've read some people's experience on it on the dmt nexus site that it was supposedly better than the racetams. Hard to believe. Yet compared to 5htp and huperzine, hard to believe again considering those 2 are crap. Is it a stimulant or a boner herb?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - [Re: CLIT]
#21395706 - 03/12/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Read through the thread, there are articles in it (unless they were taken down).
It acts upon the cholinergic system, comparable to the Racetam class of chems.
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Anyone know how to extract the oil from the seeds? I would rather make a batch of oil out of my bag of seeds versus eating them.
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Bumping an old thread, but does anyone have experience with combining Celastrus paniculatus with kratom? Did anyone succeed in germinating the seeds by now?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: Poison Drink]
#21686489 - 05/16/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Awesome link there bumbaclot. I got some GA3 on the way soon and now all I need is some seeds and I'll see if I can't get some growing for myself.
Will share the love if I have success btw.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: spaceman101]
#21689457 - 05/17/15 05:47 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks, occasionally I'll find a worthy contribution. I found the section about revegatation of barren land by means of this plant interesting. It seems that one you achieve germination growth of this plant is pretty easygoing
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#21689505 - 05/17/15 06:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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TRADITIONAL PREPARATION: Although there are many different preparations for C. paniculatus, the most prevalent and common methods all extract the essential oils of the seeds. An older and more traditional extraction method involves taking the seeds and placing them in a pot of boiling water or goat’s milk. Over a period of several hours the essential oils would rise to the surface, the seeds were strained out and the remaining mixture was allowed to settle. Finally, the oil was carefully siphoned out into another container... from Grade A celastrus paniculatus article
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" (Contest Addendum) [Re: theMallacht]
#21756700 - 06/03/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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hola compañero! me registre en este foro solo para hablar contigo de este tema! quisiera que me atendieras por favor! y es que estoy muy interesado en esta planta "Celastrus paniculatus" quisiera tu ayuda! para hablar acerca de algunas dudas! mándame alguna red social como facebook o skype donde podamos hablar! soy de latinoamerica pero esta planta se que es de la india! quisiera que me ayudaras en algunas dudas acerca de como obtenerla o donde buscarla para consumirla! saludos
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" (Contest Addendum) [Re: jesusjb29]
#21967067 - 07/19/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anyone have luck growing these?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" (Contest Addendum) [Re: morbiddoctor]
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" (Contest Addendum) [Re: Coldfire]
#22029973 - 08/01/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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How did you germ em? I would appreciate some details as I also would like to grow this wonderful plant!
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" (Contest Addendum) [Re: Coldfire]
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Damn dude are those the only 2 and how did you get them to grow?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" (Contest Addendum) [Re: spaceman101]
#22030427 - 08/01/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gibberellic acid(ga3)in the form of Super Grow off ebay most likely. I soaked them for 24hrs-ish, then planted. I had an alcohol solution and two different ga3 ppm solutions. I planted them all in the same container and got 3.. I had them outside though so one died when it couldn't get the sleeve off it's leaves. The only two happened to grow across from each other. There's a .pdf that helped me with this idea. You guys should refer to this for everything. It was probably 3/25 success rate, but I don't even care http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/8145/1/NPR%204%286%29%20482-486.pdf
P.S. I joined this forum just to tell you guys :P
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" (Contest Addendum) [Re: Coldfire]
#22030701 - 08/01/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Welcome friend and thanks!
I have been taking a break from celastrus but I love it and want to grow my own supply.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" (Contest Addendum) [Re: musiclover420]
#22032769 - 08/02/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Where did the seeds come from?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" (Contest Addendum) [Re: morbiddoctor]
#22037882 - 08/03/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Amazon, but the seller deleted their profile.. It sounds suspicious, but they have a legit named seed packet from another website entirely(<SNIP>) and I'm sure it was due to the 1/5 star rating from lack of germination.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" (Contest Addendum) [Re: Coldfire]
#22038141 - 08/03/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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My bad. I assumed they were from a sponsor.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" (Contest Addendum) [Re: Coldfire]
#22200098 - 09/06/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I take back what I said. This is NOT the intellect tree. Who the hell knows what they sold me, but this is NOT it. Same red/brown berries with seeds, but the leaves are nothing like it. They also have these two little black balls at the end of each mature leaf unlike the real plant.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" (Contest Addendum) [Re: Coldfire]
#22200326 - 09/07/15 01:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry to hear that.
I have been meaning to start taking some again, I might go do it right now actually
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" (Contest Addendum) [Re: theMallacht]
#24390601 - 06/09/17 09:10 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm heavily interested in this herb's dream potential, will report that once I get this. Note that you americans can get this on ebay as malkangni oil. The dose is 5-15 drops in milk and drink it one hour before sleep for the dream effects, don't use a teaspoon like some websites suggest, that will make the dosage 6 times as strong.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" (Contest Addendum) [Re: theMallacht]
#28170914 - 02/03/23 03:21 PM (11 months, 18 days ago) |
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Anybody have any info about how many seeds an average dose is? And what your dosing schedule looks like? Do you dose in the morning or at night or a little of each? Thanks in advance for your help!
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" (Contest Addendum) [Re: theMallacht]
#28172903 - 02/05/23 12:13 AM (11 months, 16 days ago) |
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thanks for the information, this is a new plant for me to learn about!
I love learning about new plants!
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" (Contest Addendum) [Re: Mitch]
#28174881 - 02/06/23 12:38 PM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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After about a few days of trials and scouring the web for information, I’ve come to a conclusion on normal dosing for anyone else doing research on these wonderful seeds:
Low dose: 5-10 seeds Medium dose: 10-20 seeds Higher dose: 20+
I have taken all of these ranges so far with increased effects at the higher end. The only downside I have to note is that it really did make it harder to get high on cannabis as the focus and clear-headedness provided basically allowed the weed “haze” to not work so well on me. I felt like I was watching myself get high rather than being the experiencer of the high. This can be a plus or minus depending on what you are going for
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