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Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" (Contest Addendum) 1
#18317141 - 05/25/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've been taking Celastrus paniculatus in several different forms throughout the years and had nothing but excellent results. Celastrus is a nootropic, or "smart drug" that has been linked to all kinds of improvements in cognitive function, memory, intelligence, attention and concentration.
I've read from a few sources that it also has a side effect of being an aphrodisiac/libido enhancer, and have experienced this side effect as well.
Does anyone else have experience with this plant?
Anyone know how to extract the oil from it?
I've taken both an extracted form in a pill and I've also done (and am currently taking) the chewed up seeds, the traditional way.
I'm really curious whether the seeds themselves are viable so if anyone knows, I can't seem to find much info on it. I read that it's an endangered tree in India so I would love to grow it. Although since India is so wet I'm not sure it would appreciate this dry Socal climate. I'm currently soaking a bunch of the best, most viable-looking seeds in water overnight to see if I get any germination or the seed-coat swells, etc.
Some info and studies:
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Celastrus paniculatus is a shrub used in Ayurdevic medicine in India. Various properties are attributed to the aerial parts of the plant, but we will deal here primarily with the seeds and the oil expressed from them. This information is provided for educational purposes only and no medical claims are made or implied. These statements have not been reviewed by the FDA for accuracy. These products are not meant to diagnose, treat, prevent or cure any disease or condition. Their use is regarded only in terms of health supplements which may or may not have intrinsic value.
Celastrus paniculatus seeds and oil have long been regarded in India as beneficial to the intellect and memory. The seeds are hot, bitter, dry, acrid, appetizer, emetic expectorant, sodorific, liver tonic, aphrodisiac, stimulant, powerful brain tonic, stimulate intellect and sharpen memory, cure joint pain, paralysis, rheumatism, weakness; seed oil enriches the blood, cures abdominal complaints, stomachic, tonic, treats cough, asthma, leprosy, headaches, leucoderma. Seeds are used externally on foul, indolent ulcers and scabies. From the seeds an oil is obtained. It is said to be excellent for beri-beri (note: vitamin B1 deficiency disease) and 10-15 drops daily acts as a powerful stimulant, followed in a few hours by a free diaphoresis, unattended by subsequent exhaustion; oil is used in courts and colleges to increase intelligence (Indian Medicinal Plants vol. 1 Lalit Mohan, Basu, India)
The seeds are acrid, bitter, thermogenic, emollient, stimulant, intellect promoting, digestive, laxative, emetic, expectorant, appetiser, aphrodesiac, cardiotonic, anti-inflammatory, diuretic, emmenagogue, diaphoretic, febrifuge and tonic, and are useful in abdominal disorders, leprosy, pruritis, skin diseases, paralysis, cephalalgia, arthralgia, asthma, leucoderma, cardiac debility, inflammation, stranguary, neuropathy, amenorrhoea, dysmenorrhoea and fever and for stimulating the intellect and sharpening the memory. The seed oil is bitter, thermogenic and intellect promoting and is useful in abdominal disorders, beri-beri and sores. (Indian Medicinal Plants, a compendium of 500 species, V.2,Orient Longman 1994)
Decoction and oil of the seed are considered a powerful stimulant for neuromuscular system and are given in rheumatism, gout and paralysis. It is used as a brain tonic to promote intelligence and to sharpen the memory.. (Major Medicinal Plants of India, R.S. Thakur, H.S. Puri and Akhtar Husain, Central Institute of Medicinal and Aromatic Plants, Lucknow, India. 1989)
Oil is rubefacient; seeds are alterative, stimulant and nervine; seeds and oil stimulate intellect and sharpen memory Uses: Oil with benzoin, cloves, nutmeg and mace added is a sovereign remedy for beri-beri (Note: vitamin B-1 deficiency caused disease) and a powerful stimulant. Oil is used as a pomade for relieving rheumatic pains of a malarious character and in paralysis. It is also used in a pomatum made by mixing one part of the oil in 8 parts of butter for application to the head. It is known as "magzsudhi" (brain clearer) and believed to promote intelligence. (Indian Materia Medica, Dr. K. M. Narkarni)
The seeds have a bitter sharp taste; expectorant, tonic to the brain and liver; cure joint pain, paralysis and weakness. In addition to the properties of the seeds, the oil is stomachic, tonic, good for cough and asthma; used in leprosy; cures headaches and leucoderma. The seeds are thought to be hot and dry, aphrodisiac and stimulant, useful both as an external and internal remedy in rheumatism, gout, paralysis, leprosy and other disorders. Crushed and combined with aromatics they are very efficient in removing pains of a rheumatic or malarious nature. Bruised and formed into a poultice they are a good stimulant application to foul, unhealthy and indolent ulcers. The seeds are supposed to have the property of stimulating the intellect and sharpening the memory.
Recent studies have shown Celastrus oil has the ability to increase the intelligence of mentally retarded children. It is concluded...that Celastrus oil has a beneficial effect on the learning and memory process in mentally retarded children. (Studies on biogenic amines and their metabolites in mentally retarded children in Celastrus oil therapy. K. Nalina, A.R. Aroor. K.B. Kumar and Anjali Rao, Alternative Medicine, vol 1 #4 pg 355-360. 1986)
The oil in its raw state has a shelf life of 2 years if kept in a cool and dark place such as a refrigerator. When put into softgels the shelf life can be expected to be much longer, on the order of four years if kept in a dark and refrigerated state.
There are many studies that show the oil is not harmful even in doses many hundreds of times those normally administered. No mortality was observed following oral administration of Celastrus oil even with the highest doses. Celastrus oil administration up to the highest dose (5 g/kg body weight)* did not produce any toxic effect on the normal behavior of the rats. Celastrus oil did not impair motor coordination at any dose level.. *3500 times the softgel dose of 100mg.
Effects of Celastrus paniculatus on passive avoidance performance and biogenic amine turnover in white rats. K. Nalina, K.S. Karanth, A. Rao and A.R. Aroor. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 47 (1995) 101-108.
The products of this plant used clinically are considered safe with low toxicity. Dosage: 2-10 drops of oil twice a day (Selected Medicinal Plants of India [A Monograph of Identity, Safety and Clinical usage]) Published by Basic Chemicals, Pharmaceuticals, and Cosmetics Export Promotion Council, Bombay, India (Set up by the Ministry of Commerce, Government of India) pg. 82.
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The effect of Celastrus paniculatus Willd. (Celastraceae) seed aqueous extract on learning and memory was studied using elevated plus maze and passive avoidance test (sodium nitrite induced amnesia rodent model). The aqueous seed extract was administered orally in two different doses to rats (350 and 1050 mg/kg) and to mice (500 and 1500 mg/kg). The results were compared to piracetam (100 mg/kg, p.o.) used as a standard drug. Chemical hypoxia was induced by subcutaneous administration of sodium nitrite (35 mg/kg), immediately after acquisition training. In elevated plus maze and sodium nitrite-induced amnesia model, Celastrus paniculatus extract has showed statistically significant improvement in memory process when compared to control. The estimation of acetylcholinesterase enzyme in rat brain supports the plus maze and passive avoidance test by reducing acetylcholinesterase activity which helps in memory performance. The study reveals that the aqueous extract of Celastrus paniculatus seed has dose-dependent cholinergic activity, thereby improving memory performance. The mechanism by which Celastrus paniculatus enhances cognition may be due to increased acetylcholine level in rat brain.
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Celastrus paniculatus is an endangered Indian medicinal plant which has been used for thousands of years in the traditional Ayurvedic system of medicine. It is fast gaining importance in the primary healthcare systems as well as in herbal drug formulations. Oil obtained from the seeds of the plant is reported to be highly beneficial in stimulating intellect and sharpening the memory. It also acts as a potential nervine tonic, rejuvenator and an anti-depressant. Moreover, the plant possesses a strong antioxidant as well as free radical scavenging activity. C. paniculatus has also been exploited for its potential role in the management of neurodegenerative diseases and other neuronal disorders such as Alzheimer’s disease. Oil being a powerful stimulant for neuromuscular system is also used for the treatment of rheumatism, gout and paralysis. This review aims at exploring the detailed phytochemical composition, pharmacological properties as well as therapeutic applications of different parts of C. paniculatus.
Sources: http://www.celastrus.com/celastrus_paniculatus_research.htm http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20645820 http://www.ijpbs.net/vol-3/issue-3/pharma/33.pdf
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#18317184 - 05/25/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I recently started eating these as well, I am up to about 10-15 seeds a day and I definitely feel something other than placebo effect. Feels like a really low dose of adderall as far as keeping me enhanced cognitively, even while smoking. I have been eating them for about a month and just ordered a kilo so plan to keep em going. Not much information on the web really just the same stuff over and over it seems.
I too have put a few seeds that were viable looking into some soil to try and germinate, will post back with my results as well.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: djmattz0r]
#18318361 - 05/25/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes, I specifically notice more clarity when I'm smoking herb as well. Seems to kind of break through the haze, so to speak.
I just checked those seeds that I soaked overnight, so far no sprouts but it has only been around 12 hours, so I'll check them a few more times before I give up.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#18318787 - 05/25/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have however noticed that with the enhanced clarity, it can somewhat lower the amount of high you will feel from herb... Nothing too bad but I have noticed a difference on and off. None of my seeds show any sign of growth but I had to remove a ton of rainwater from the germ tray this morning :/ Did you sow the full seeds with casings still on (so 3-5 individual seeds) or bundles or individuals? I kinda threw a mix since I had no clue what I was doing
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: djmattz0r]
#18319394 - 05/25/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes, with the enhanced clarity it does make being high a little different of an experience. With the lower amounts of celastrus I agree that it seems to take away from the experience a bit. Lately I've been taking a huge handful of them, maybe around 50 seeds a day or so and I've been feeling amazing. I'm extremely clear-headed and being high seems to be almost better in a way, definitely different.
I threw a bunch in water. Some were grouped seeds, as they make little clusters of around 5 seeds or so I believe. Some of them were individual seeds.
I did very carefully cut a couple of good looking ones in half with a razorblade and I clearly saw what looked like healthy cotyledons in there, so assuming they're not treated with anything they should be viable.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#18320302 - 05/25/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Very cool! I've been trying to get viable Uncaria Tomentosa or Cat's Claw Vine for a long time. It is also nootropic and fights cancer and HIV (wtf!?).
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With Celastrus paniculatus and Uncaria you'd become a super horny and intelligent healthy person yes please.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#18322071 - 05/26/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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they taste pretty funky. Almost like san pedro
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: nicechrisman]
#18322766 - 05/26/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't think it tastes quite as bad as San Pedro, and not nearly as bitter.
The oil from them is slightly bitter, but more of just an oily taste in general.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#18322788 - 05/26/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah not nearly as bad for sure. It just kinda reminded me of tasting a little piece of SP
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: nicechrisman]
#18324036 - 05/26/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have had amazing affects from these seeds, but not until right now had I thought of trying to grow some, I gotta run to the nursery...
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: Galidor4]
#18324215 - 05/26/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I feel like the seeds first taste a bit like hay in your mouth as you chew them and once they wash over your tongue you get the yummy bitterness of alkaloids... Not quite nearly as bad as San Pedro but I definitely keep something around to wash my seeds down with.
Hopefully one of us will have luck with these things germinating!
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: djmattz0r]
#18368475 - 06/04/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bump. No one else has any experience with Celastrus paniculatus in any form?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#18369669 - 06/04/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sorry bro. Im drinking beer now, and it makes me feel smarter. Maybe they are related.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: SmOakland]
#18371233 - 06/05/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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So I checked my seeds and most of them had turned to mush from being in moist soil under the humidity dome. I will toss a few here and there but have given up for the moment. I find that the smaller hard ones are probably the best from what I saw in the soil, the fatter ones just turned to goop. Still eating them and still
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: djmattz0r]
#18371652 - 06/05/13 08:50 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Posting to subscribe. Maybe I'll try to track some down.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: psi]
#18373180 - 06/05/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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You should man, they're relatively cheap and it really does work.
I read somewhere that in India they don't even take Gingko biloba cause it's never really been proven to do much of anything other than thin the blood, and plus they have Celastrus, that has shown itself to work extremely well for thousands of years in Ayurvedic (traditional Indian) medicine.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#18373183 - 06/05/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I hear it gets you mad high if you plug it.
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: nicechrisman]
#18373233 - 06/05/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm sorry sir, but is this on topic?

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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: theMallacht]
#18373236 - 06/05/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm sorry. I couldn't resist.
Kinda making a joke about why more people haven't heard of this. If it got you high, everyone would be talking about it. Who needs smarts when you can be mad buzzed?
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Re: Celastrus paniculatus - "Intellect Tree" [Re: nicechrisman]
#18373248 - 06/05/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's cool, I thought it was funny. It's hard to type right now cause I'm busy trying to plug some of this Celastrus...
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