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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: InTheBiggun]
    #18316195 - 05/24/13 08:29 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Yo violet Ur pretty legit and I don't wanna disrespect ur thread but....

Anne if Ur Soo worried about being. Efficient and green why don't u just grow straight off Ur brf agar n case that n get more anorexic fruits and just keep saying that Ur getting oz's per flush :laugh:


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: InTheBiggun]
    #18316211 - 05/24/13 08:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

its as simple as this ,
sub "A" weighs 10 lbs, give off 3/4 lb dry , uses X energy.
versus, sub that weighs 3 lbs, gives off 2 lbs dry, and 1/3 energy.

adjusted , for surface area of course............

you can plug in any numbers ya want above,
and ,skill and mileage vary ,
at what point do the numbers matter to your grow is the question.

not even considering time, or green, wich measures very well.

try it, violet has well detailed it.
its easy and direct and fast enough to find out.
wich is sorta the point.




im pleased my easily fruiting fert agar amazes you smeg,
but its not that thread, this is about VIOLETS RGS.
do feel free to start a smegs agar fruit thread.
PM me when ya do.......


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: cronicr]
    #18316212 - 05/24/13 08:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It's not just poop , or as Anne says "turd farmers" , its any bulk materials that are to be shunned as inferior in the new age ... coir , chopped plant stalks , cardboard , straw ,popcorn , PF cakes etc ... you name it , if you grow it and it didn't come from a straight grain grow , or a fert-soaked douche-bag , then it is old-age , to be shunned , inferior , wasteful , non-efficient , growing behind a trailer with your inbred uncle ...

I think the more ways we have to grow the medicinal fungus the better.  This way being one of them.

I'd say the juries still out for everyone except Anne and Violet  , that this system is best , and better than any "bulk" way of growing.

Edited by InTheBiggun (05/24/13 08:36 PM)

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: smegzilla69]
    #18316214 - 05/24/13 08:35 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you chronicr

InTheBiggun, I never put anyone down. Indeed my results with this tek are better than my results with any bulk tek, but this is no insult to anyone, it's shown in the tek. You can pretend that me saying that this is good means saying that something else is bad but it's foolish and pointless.

Would it have been reasonable for people who grew "hippie tek" straight grains in masons to get mad when bulk substrate peeps started showing higher yields, then pretend that the bulk growers were insulting the "hippie tek" growers?
No, it would not have been reasonable, no more reasonable than you're being now.


This topic is over, starting now. Any off-topic flaming no matter how subtle or 'tactful' will result in a rule5 flag.
Smegzilla69, cut that right out or you're first.

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18316228 - 05/24/13 08:39 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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anne halonium said:
^i see your interest in detail bislap.
mileage , would vary with skill.

my experience with this tek,
suggest you could beat that mark with ease.

grass seed is cheap.
id suggest, that up to a Qp,
who cares what methods?

this tek, is good for all sizes,
but is capable of serious scale also

these below , over 4-5 full flushes,
will do your size, at pennies in seed.




pic is pinning at about 28 days.




actually RGS is more expensive to fill jars with.

I can get 40lb of WBS  for 8 bucks and do a lot of jars, never counted them but would imagine at the least 40 jars, that's $.50 a jar maximum

RGS is soo compact a 10 pound bag costing 6-8 bucks will do maybe 10 jars thats double the price right there, also RGS is a serious PIA to try and break up without man. handling the cakes, if you have tapered jars good luck.

but either way, if it works for you, More power to you.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: bishlap]
    #18316263 - 05/24/13 08:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

N it being spring time where I'm at the cheapest grass seed is 20lbs for 39.99+tax


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: smegzilla69]
    #18316268 - 05/24/13 08:50 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Seed is still cheap as always for me.
And, as stated countless times in this thread now, price-per-pound is not the bottom line of a wise grain choice.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: bishlap]
    #18316275 - 05/24/13 08:52 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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But ya know what?
Even if I never got straight-grain yield to surpass bulks, even if they only tied, I would STILL use these methods!!!
Why?
… Isn't it obvious?




With all do respect , no flaming of any kind intended , and just a point of clarity ...

When you say "Even if I never got straight-grain yield to surpass bulks" , do you mean your own bulk projects ? Or do you mean your yields surpass bulk growing as we know it in general (IE everyone else's bulk grows).

We've all seen Ann exclaim that he has the most efficient highest yielding system , and you are a close confidant of Anne , obviously , but all I was getting at is your language seems to suggest you feel the same way Anne does.

So that is why I asked you if you honestly feel that your's and Anne's system is the best , highest yielding system known at this time , better than bulk ...

If you were merely saying your results with fert-RGS are better than your results with your own bulk projects , then that's one thing. If like Anne you are stating that your tek as presented is better and higher yielding than any bulk system known , then I have to say ye brag to much without proof.

No flaming and on-topic.

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18316284 - 05/24/13 08:55 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

That's what it seems to be for me I can't risk trying Ur tek yet till my grows r stable enough to experiment on an ISO side by side which I will do... Eventually

As of now ill prob just buy some RGS bcause I can't find berries locally but ill be using that to spawn bulk.

No dis just I know that way has worked for years and I have used it b4 so that's what I'll do for now till I can do a side by side controlled experiment for myself


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: InTheBiggun]
    #18316306 - 05/24/13 09:02 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I have never gotten the best of my bulk projects to surpass the best of this straight grain tek.
Personally I think the best of my bulk projects is pretty great, this being an example already posted in this very thread, your quote is from it in fact.

The "yield" section of the tek expands the very consistent math of yields with this tek to show that it, in best form, is as good if not better than the reports from monotub-style grows with more grain in best form. So in that sense I am using the reports of others with my shown reports and suggesting that yes indeed I have been getting better yield on average than many highly successful grows posted here.
However I cannot claim my tek is "better" or "best" because everything is different pending context, especially since others may not have the skill to pull off this tek at its finest and may consider it as an inferior tek if they don't do it right. I don't know if that's the case, since it seems to me this tek is pretty easy, but my statements simply stand as-is. No need to read into them so much further.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18316323 - 05/24/13 09:09 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

This seed seem good?


Says " perennial rye grass"


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Edited by smegzilla69 (05/24/13 09:10 PM)

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: smegzilla69]
    #18316325 - 05/24/13 09:09 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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N it being spring time where I'm at the cheapest grass seed is 20lbs for 39.99+tax




Amazon...  25# bag rgs is 20 bucks shipped to your door.  Don't waste your gas and time, as you already said it's spring time and local stores are smiling with greed. :wink:

Aside from that can you guys go measure your dick by pm.  I don't really know Anne or bigunn, or the guy complaining because he couldnt get past the first paragraph, but ffs I saw 20 new posts and was hoping there might be someone who was finishing a grow with this Tek, (with some weights and or pics) or some additional pointers...  All I found is peeps arguing and people too lazy to read.

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: BloodKil]
    #18316336 - 05/24/13 09:12 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah Smeg that's good stuff!
Make sure it's non-toxic according to label


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18316369 - 05/24/13 09:22 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Thank god I found a cheaper one $25 4 25#


Hopefully it's not that bullshit filled with paper


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Edited by smegzilla69 (05/24/13 09:23 PM)

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: smegzilla69]
    #18316669 - 05/24/13 10:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Violet

What is your's and Anne's rational & methodology to prove this method is of better potency than 'conventional grows , aka "bulks" ?

What do you base thoughs claims on ? Have you done lab analysis or what ?

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: InTheBiggun]
    #18316677 - 05/24/13 10:55 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Been over this topic already. My stance on this is in the potency post.
By the way, don't tie my "rationale" with anyone else's. All of what I've got to present is posted here already.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18316719 - 05/24/13 11:12 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

II've read the thread several times , but have yet to see where you prove the potency is higher.

Could you please link me to the appropriate post where you show how you had material grown with this tek tested in lab compared for potency with bulk grown specims? And if you didn't test for potency in a lab, what means did you use to make the claim of superior potency.

I ask in genuine interest, and since you claimed superior potency.

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: InTheBiggun]
    #18316762 - 05/24/13 11:30 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

If you truly have a genuine interest, I suggest you find out for yourself. That's the entire point and you would have known had you read it several times as you say. My stance here is clear.
I wonder why your noise isn't going off at potency project.
If you had "genuine interest" you'd be finding out firsthand like the many other people who got straight to it. Instead, this is your priority. Telling.

If you somehow have or know of the ability to create the sort of data you're asking for, then display your potency procedure and data and I'll follow suit if reasonable in expense. You know your demand isn't feasible, it's a main reason why you're asking. Create your potency data, show exactly how it's done and how it's reliable and consistent and worthy of believing if presented, then I'll show you mine so that it can be considered worthy of believing. Otherwise we all have always known how pointless that angle is.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: InTheBiggun]
    #18316804 - 05/24/13 11:47 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Violet

What is your's and Anne's rational & methodology to prove this method is of better potency than 'conventional grows , aka "bulks" ?

What do you base thoughs claims on ? Have you done lab analysis or what ?




It's not just Anne and Violet. Many people have personally experimented with GS grown cubes vs dung/coir cubes. From what I've heard the results speak for themselves.

IF everyone who posted a new theory or idea or tek had to provide laboratory data... Then there probably wouldn't be any teks or info on the forums...


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18316807 - 05/24/13 11:47 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for that.

Since you claimed increased potency over "bulk" techniques , I asked how you quantified that, and you turned it back on me to show the potency of my grows ... But I never claimed to have improved potency. Its you that, even in the title of your thread proclaim extraordinary potency.

The onus is on someone making such a claim to prove it , not the person that questions the claim.

Besides your "toadstool" theory , of mushrooms allowed to grow naturally ie: full-grown are less potent than the kind you grow, My question for you was what means did you use to prove your claims of superior potency.

Surely anyone making such claims would have no issues backing up their claims.

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