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Crisco
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Scorch earth and effects
#18316426 - 05/24/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Let me explain what I am getting at. Many mushroom that have been observed in the forest growing after some type of distress and from what I have gather from a point of view of forest fire there is a large abundance of life even after something looks like hell cool over. Has anyone doe any testing on the matter. With there sawdust bricks by incorporating char dust in with there regular mix to see any growth changes either faster mycelium growth or better fruiting. i am going to try a few different variables to create so sort of hypothesis to continue more research. But I would like know what you have come up with.
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Re: Scorch earth and effects [Re: Crisco]
#18319936 - 05/25/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Never tried it but I would like to know if the effects are negative or positive.
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Re: Scorch earth and effects [Re: mycofever]
#18322914 - 05/26/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've read that certain species will only fruit if charcoal is added to the substrate.
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Re: Scorch earth and effects [Re: b plus]
#18323011 - 05/26/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm sure someone has done this. I've never seen it documented though.
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Re: Scorch earth and effects [Re: Crisco]
#18324213 - 05/26/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I feel like a lot of minerals are concentrated and locked up in the organic matter that is the forest. When fire comes through it breaks down and releases that back into the soil. Carbon is a part of it but the minerals that are in it play a larger roll. Maybe the potassium hydroxide from wood ash and rain plays a roll in breaking down and releasing minerals? Maybe humic acids?
Edited by SheikCorp (05/26/13 05:08 PM)
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Re: Scorch earth and effects [Re: SheikCorp]
#18337034 - 05/29/13 06:36 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Growers have tried for years to grow morels in captivity by adding wood ashes and other material from fire burn areas without success. We've also tried heating the sclerotia in addition to the above to no effect. I suspect they're triggered to fruit due to loss of their food supply, but the exact mechanism remains unknown. RR
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Re: Scorch earth and effects [Re: RogerRabbit]
#18340595 - 05/29/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Growers have tried for years to grow morels in captivity by adding wood ashes and other material from fire burn areas without success. We've also tried heating the sclerotia in addition to the above to no effect. I suspect they're triggered to fruit due to loss of their food supply, but the exact mechanism remains unknown. RR
So, are you saying that some change elicited by the host plant, effectively starves it, which prompts it to form the sclerotia? (or are they sequestrate fruiting bodies?).
Im in a non morel continent, so forgive my lack of knowledge.
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Re: Scorch earth and effects [Re: Nobitte]
#18349513 - 05/31/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes, something like that, although nobody knows for sure. There are some strains of morel around here which fruit every year without a fire. RR
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Re: Scorch earth and effects [Re: RogerRabbit]
#18360577 - 06/02/13 11:30 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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RR, at least some fire morels have been declared a different species (Morchella tomentosa) based on genetic evidence, and three other fire-related species have been described. It's quite likely these are fugitive species, based on the exclusivity of their habitat and the fact that they're found almost exclusively the year after a fire and almost never two years later. The criteria for triggering fruiting and/or spore germination might be very different between them and other morchella species--which one did you take a blowtorch to? If it was esculenta or elata, perhaps more spores and spawn need to be tortured.
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#18415354 - 06/13/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I know here in the Bluegrass state they love apple orchards, especially ones that are no longer active. Not sure if that has anything to do with the landscaping, aging root systems or limb droppings around the trees. Have also had luck around pear trees but have not hunted around them often enough to offer a real observation.
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