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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Zarotti]
    #18298346 - 05/21/13 01:44 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Have you ever tried this method with a 3 inch high grain glass jar +casing?
Will they perform well?



I figure that you mean, widemouth half-pint jars instead of containers? It'd work the same except have longer sterilization times and it's breakable.
Have not done it and no desire to ever. If someone were to have them and want to try their hand at something similar to this methodology then they might do to sample it.

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Q about the casing: How to determine the proper moisture content for your casings when pasteurizing properly?



Err, this isn't exactly the place to seek those answers, the pasteurizing procedure in this tek is different and its hydration is specifically for its preparation.

With those preps you're looking for "field capacity". It's easy to look up. In a nutshell you want it to just hardly drip or not at all when you squeeze a handful of the sub with kung-fu grip.

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Cause mine is really muddy can the myc colonize a really wet peat casing and whats the max timeframe for it?



No, you need a new casing, prepped properly like in this thread or with other good teks. If you cased something with mud you probably messed it up.

I don't understand your question about timeframe and there's probably not a definitive answer for it anyway.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18302687 - 05/22/13 08:18 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hey Violet. I'm still having great success with the tek as presented; some of my strains on agar that are slow as heck to colonize jars of rye berries zip right through the grass seed :smile:

I put 10 containers in an unmodified tub and fan out 4-5x a day. These containers are uncased and I planned on cloning some of the best fruits and taking some prints from these.

My calibrated hygrometer reads 95-100% all day. However, the sides of the grass seed cake have pulled away from the sides of the containers significantly and they are all pinning in this microclimate between the 'cake' and the side of the container. If I add water to the bottom I am worried about creating soggy fruits but they really look thirsty. I might birth them PF-style onto perlite to let them grow from the sides/bottom as they seem to want to do.

There are very few fruits as well when compared to the monotub next to it - perhaps more 'chewing' time should have been given to them prior to fruiting.  Next batch of 15 (going in a container next week) will be cased with coir/verm to try and promote top pinning.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: the_jerk]
    #18302710 - 05/22/13 08:27 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Consolidation of the grains might help since its dense in nuitrients like pf cakes are.

where as with bulk substrate the myc spreads out over a less nutrioutus substrate and the grains are the bulk of the nuitrition is.

You can always try since you have an isolate you should see a difference between no consolidation and consolidated.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: veda_sticks]
    #18303052 - 05/22/13 10:12 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

These cakes definitely need some chew time. With "spawn-to-bulk" techniques the myc has had a twofold head start on that by the time the new bulk sub is colonized.

Straight-grain cakes are MORE nutrient-rich than PF cakes of course, and being whole grains instead of powder means some serious chew time is necessary for best results.
If you shove fully-colonized cakes right into fruiting then the first attempt to fruit will be under-fueled since enough time to extract and metabolize a large cache of resources hasn't been given.

You mentioned that your hygrometer reads 95-100%RH. Especially since your grain cakes are not cased, you should goal for 99-100%RH, as straight-grain loses moisture quite quickly in below-saturation humidity. Bottom-watering makes this more forgiving but without a casing layer you will not have an ideal microclimate below 99%RH! You'll only get what you get and can't blame THE tek, just YOUR tech.


Bottom-watering is NECESSARY!
It replaces bulk substrate as a source of water that allows grain's fruiting capacity to be utilized.
Bottom-watering does several things. Firstly it provides moisture both for the fruits themselves, as well as providing moisture to evaporate from the cake leaving a hi-humidity microclimate around the cake and stimulating fruiting. It also discourages pin formation on the bottom of the cake's sides, which is a side effect, tehe.

Your cakes' sides are shrinking away for many reasons, most of which are inevitable/necessary, but largely because of an extreme loss of moisture that your 'bulk' subs next-door are not experiencing, hence your lesser success with these cakes so far. If you don't bottom-water these cakes how can you expect them to have more fruits than they are currently growing?

Don't be afraid of soggy fruits! Better than NO fruits, and chances are you won't experience such a problem… even if so it's trivial compared to the problem of failure or mediocre yield.


Water is the key that unlocks and expands these cakes' fruiting potential. A seed core cannot produce fruits if you don't provide water to it first.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18303117 - 05/22/13 10:39 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

violet pretty much got it spot on and explained it better than me. Ive never tried this method so might in the future with some mini monotubs.

But until i get some isolates i wont be able to make any real comparisons that would mean anything. But so far ive been lucky with multispore.

They always just seem to get covered in hundreds of knots and pin within days :shrug:


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: veda_sticks]
    #18310394 - 05/23/13 05:16 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Well well, bottom watering *sorta* works on blocks.

This block harvested 4/22:

gave an OK second flush without dunking.
I don't much like to bother dunking anymore so I had just let it go.

So for its third flush I "bottom-watered" by just pouring water in the leftover bag bottom the block was colonized and fruited in!

All of these fruits are from right on the waterline. This "bulk"-style (grass seed —> strait coir) sub absorbed the water it was sitting in to grow these fruits, slurped it right up as they matured!


Once a friend and I were growing Shiitake at his out-of-town home. I had them fruit in a greenhouse I setup there and they let off a nice first flush. I held them underwater with a brick in a tote for ~16-20 hours and they seemed significantly heaver. However they never fruited again in that greenhouse! Over the phone my friend reported the blocks were very light again. I advised him to dunk them, but in classic fashion they got thrown into the auxiliary bathtub for some half-assed attempt and left there for over a week without him checking on them again. To my surprise at my arrival there later there was a decent flush that had grown in open air simply due to sitting in less than 2" of water! … Nice!


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18311274 - 05/23/13 07:59 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

In my mind (well it does encompass a lot :lol:) this is turning into an argument for bottom watering all subs...

And I can see why it would work, since when I rehydrate my minitubs I just fill them with water overnight and let the sub soak up what it wants, then pour off the excess.  The difference would be...not pouring off the excess.

Hmmmmmmm.....

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18311317 - 05/23/13 08:07 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I've had several bulk comparisons and not all of them have gone as such. Some just seemed to wallow in water that turned yellowish over time.
The bulks haven't done as so well with it as the straight grain cakes always do, and when they seem to benefit from it they fruit right next to the water line. I don't think the colonized bulk subs take up water quite the same, as I've said before they just seem to have become a bit more anhydrous, maybe due to the huge numbers of small bits.

Here's the thing with watering subs this way, and the point of it… why use bulk subs then? Having the bulk sub and such watering technique is redundant, the same way I think using bulk subs and then still dunking is redundant.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18311621 - 05/23/13 09:09 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

That's the reason I don't do it. :lol:  But I think it'd work for straight grain, and I don't recall ever trying it. :thumbup:

Anyway, I don't dunk, just soak my bulk minitubs in place overnight.  And some of those have always been straight grain tubs as well.  The yield is very similar between the two, with nothing much to recommend one over the other, save the lesser amount of grain propagation required for the bulk tubs.

I suspect some of it has to do with consolidation times.  In the minitubs that I kept from fruiting for lengthy periods (see Potency Project), they literally exploded into fruiting when introduced to FAE.  And they had obviously done a good job of chewing up the substrate, based on the enhanced potency at least. 

So if the grass seed is easier for the myc to digest, then shorter consolidations than is typical for bulk would result in better uptake of nutes and more myc networks, which would hold them together - and provide the entry for the water as well, and more efficiently.  I mean, in the wild they absorb water from the ground, duh?

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18311717 - 05/23/13 09:32 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Lately I've been figuring that peeps have usually fruited their straight grains too soon regardless of tek.
Looks like mycelium needs LOTS of time with straight grains to make the most of them, way more than it does with the tiny bits of bulk substrates which are sometimes pre-digested too.

For this reason it's now my belief that fruiting straight grains on the same timeline as bulks is one of the reasons straight grains haven't seemed to do better than grains with bulk. (lack of bottom watering being the other/main reason, as well as other reasons such as crumble-and-case).
As was said in "the case for consolidation" If you introduce them into fruiting and prompt them to fruit before they're maxed out on readiness, the results could possibly seem quite dwindling and discouraging since the mycelium will have expended itself in fruiting without having gotten to a point where it could do its best, under-fueled since not enough time has passed to extract and metabolize a large cache of resources for large fruiting.

Breaking up grain jars like "spawn" but laying them out and casing does allow more breakdown of the grains before fruiting but is still less optimal than fruiting from an original colony since the nutrition used for the original colonizing run is destroyed and the mycelium left in the grains start a new colony.
Especially since there's no new sub to colonize you COULD fruit it as soon as it's recovered under the casing, but if you do it will be like introducing these containers a bit too soon, as per this post's original thought.


So my suggestion is to just fruit containers like these 10 days or more after colonized, depending on inoc.
(For example, my thorough g2g inoc which colonizes in 3-7 days I wait ~20 more days, starting from just a few spots like agar inoc. may take longer to colonize so just 10 days consolidating)
We already pretty much knew that extended consolidation (in sterile conditions, yay!) offers solid potency, as per potency project; I do think that's exaggerated on straight grains too but now consider it the 2nd most important reason to wait longer to fruit these cakes, 2nd to optimal flushes!


Increasingly larger grains may benefit from increasing colonization times, for some of the reasons why I consider grass seed a superior straight sub


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18312935 - 05/24/13 04:41 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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if theres too much bacteria in your grains its possible that something can survive a 90 minute pressure cook cycle.




It doesn't work like that...  whether there is 1 or 1000000000000 you will need to get it up to temperature for the same amount of time to ensure destruction.

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When I need some for quick prints I lay them on their side in my equally small second cooker. There is no grain in it tho. I bet you'll be fine, but you should invest in another cooker, like one of these (can be found cheaper) which can sterilize 6 at a time in 40min if lightly loaded!




Or the 921 which is only 199.99 on Amazon right now.  That's only 30 bucks more than the cheapest I could find the 910 for and it is double the size.  (Stacking 3 high still leaves clearance for the valve/release/vent so you can go 12 in a run of you really wanted to)

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: BloodKil]
    #18313157 - 05/24/13 07:32 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

this tek, offers a different style than conventional grows.

PP5 and smaller fortified RGS cores, loosely packed,
PC's faster than , the common " packed quarts of corn in giant cookers"

faster PC time, and smaller cookers, are less likely to mush the RGS.
in this method, structure of the RGS after the cook is a key.


i choose multiple 910's  for grain PP5 and smaller " mini's" for agar.
combo of size, speed, handling, versatility , and effectiveness ,
would be my preference.

this type of grow ,
appears extremely effective as presented.
modifying it to make it like other grows,
would , make it like other grows,
and, likely diminish its appeal.




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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18314759 - 05/24/13 02:32 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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For this reason it's now my belief that fruiting straight grains on the same timeline as bulks is one of the reasons straight grains haven't seemed to do better than grains with bulk. (lack of bottom watering being the other/main reason, as well as other reasons such as crumble-and-case).




My observation is that, even placing straight (cased) grain that seems consolidated into fruiting conditions can still involve quite a wait before pinning, compared to bulk consolidated on the same time scale.  The mycelium won't fruit until it's ready to and that probably has a lot to do with nutrient assimilation.

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Breaking up grain jars like "spawn" but laying them out and casing does allow more breakdown of the grains before fruiting but is still less optimal than fruiting from an original colony since the nutrition used for the original colonizing run is destroyed and the mycelium left in the grains start a new colony.




To demonstrate this idea you'd have to do a side by side comparison where one tub/tray is broken up and then left to reconsolidate, checking time against yield.  The nutrients aren't destroyed as they're in the cells themselves.  The pipelines (mycelial network) is damaged but microscopically it appears to readily regenerate.  But there is admittedly a time lag, whether that affects actual yield is to me an open question.  The mycelium itself isn't much damaged by shaking or laying out as it's microscopic.

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We already pretty much knew that extended consolidation (in sterile conditions, yay!) offers solid potency, as per potency project; I do think that's exaggerated on straight grains too but now consider it the 2nd most important reason to wait longer to fruit these cakes, 2nd to optimal flushes!




Doubt it.  Cubes have a typical potency under typical growth parameters.  Extending the consolidation to much longer (months) as I've tried - and this ONLY with bulk subs - greatly increased the potency, to the level of woodlovers under ordinary growth parameters.  Will look forward to anything you want to try in this regard, I'm preparing now to do a replication run of the whole project with multiple tubs, but of course results are months away in any case.  And this time I'll be going for the gold ring with PE tubs... :lol:

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18315118 - 05/24/13 04:06 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hey again PS!
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For this reason it's now my belief that fruiting straight grains on the same timeline as bulks is one of the reasons straight grains haven't seemed to do better than grains with bulk. (lack of bottom watering being the other/main reason, as well as other reasons such as crumble-and-case).




My observation is that, even placing straight (cased) grain that seems consolidated into fruiting conditions can still involve quite a wait before pinning, compared to bulk consolidated on the same time scale.  The mycelium won't fruit until it's ready to and that probably has a lot to do with nutrient assimilation.




Yes indeed. My results have shown similar but I have definitely noted lesser yields altogether from cakes set into fruiting early. They still pinned on the same timeline as the consolidated ones, akin to your observation, but seemed to expend in fruiting before their prime. That's the main reason for my statement

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Breaking up grain jars like "spawn" but laying them out and casing does allow more breakdown of the grains before fruiting but is still less optimal than fruiting from an original colony since the nutrition used for the original colonizing run is destroyed and the mycelium left in the grains start a new colony.



To demonstrate this idea you'd have to do a side by side comparison where one tub/tray is broken up and then left to reconsolidate, checking time against yield.  The nutrients aren't destroyed as they're in the cells themselves.  The pipelines (mycelial network) is damaged but microscopically it appears to readily regenerate.  But there is admittedly a time lag, whether that affects actual yield is to me an open question.  The mycelium itself isn't much damaged by shaking or laying out as it's microscopic.




I can understand. The idea is it's an additive effect as to why continual battering and recovering of mycelium is continually drawing on the nutritional fuel, so I wasn't so much positing that this factor alone will be much of a yield detriment. I think that much of the external mycelium is destroyed, but whether you think it's destroyed or flattened it's definitely serious if not total damage to the current network which requires re-growth fueled by that nutrition. It may be a small point but since it's made unnecessary by this tek I consider it a clean step in a better direction.
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I'd be interested in such comparisons, but will not be making them myself, as I won't be breaking up any grain to lay-out and case. It's simply not the same bottom-watering.

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We already pretty much knew that extended consolidation (in sterile conditions, yay!) offers solid potency, as per potency project; I do think that's exaggerated on straight grains too but now consider it the 2nd most important reason to wait longer to fruit these cakes, 2nd to optimal flushes!



Doubt it.  Cubes have a typical potency under typical growth parameters.  Extending the consolidation to much longer (months) as I've tried - and this ONLY with bulk subs - greatly increased the potency, to the level of woodlovers under ordinary growth parameters.  Will look forward to anything you want to try in this regard, I'm preparing now to do a replication run of the whole project with multiple tubs, but of course results are months away in any case.  And this time I'll be going for the gold ring with PE tubs... :lol:

:peace:PS




I definitely understand your doubt of that. My feeling that it's exaggerated on straight grain are entirely dependent on other facets of the tek, such as grain quality retained, having much lesser colonizing mycelium living off the grain, and the metabolic keys provided by the plant food fermentation, so altogether that there are simply more materials that less mycelium can then do more with (which of course depends on genetics thus wise culturing).


In line with what Anne said above, a statement of mine in the tek;
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To me, the combination of all variables in full-form with this approach has shown a clear improvement of the quality of my product, all the while being simpler and more efficient, and ultimately even coming to yield more of it.
Your experiences may vary; again, it is these variables accounted for as fully as possible that has made the consistent and quite outstanding difference.



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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18315385 - 05/24/13 05:14 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I can understand. The idea is it's an additive effect as to why continual battering and recovering of mycelium is continually drawing on the nutritional fuel, so I wasn't so much positing that this factor alone will be much of a yield detriment. I think that much of the external mycelium is destroyed, but whether you think it's destroyed or flattened it's definitely serious if not total damage to the current network which requires re-growth fueled by that nutrition. It may be a small point but since it's made unnecessary by this tek I consider it a clean step in a better direction.




Good point.  Since there's three main phases of growth - colonization, consolidation, fruiting - and the laying out occurs during colonization, I suspect the myc generates the energy for colonization from new easily assimilated food that it finds, not what it's got stored.  During consolidation the network must stay intact as it digs deeper into the sub, storing what it uses for fruiting.  So my bet is that shaking/laying out just results in a delay, and with grain I never bother to break it down from clumps anyway. :thumbup:

Anyway I won't try the experiment either - cause I just don't care that much. :lol:

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18315548 - 05/24/13 05:56 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18315611 - 05/24/13 06:10 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

time lag on pinning.........
i think these are like 26 days from spore.
could be 24, kill me if its 28.

from spore.



violets tek, meets the specs presented.

i know the " side by side" time stamped,
spread sheet proof tactic primal.
it works best on thoughtful but lazy peeps.
no one here is a fortune 500 R&D.
ya either get more for less faster or ya dont.
ive done many bulks, so has violet.
we can count. days dollars, energy/ power, and contams/ or lack of.
in this case, anyone who cares,
can set up , as directed, and see in a few weeks .
and, the difference is apparent.



Edited by anne halonium (05/24/13 06:17 PM)

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: anne halonium]
    #18315635 - 05/24/13 06:16 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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i know the " side by side" time stamped,
spread sheet proof tactic primal.
it works best on thoughtful but lazy peeps.
in this case, anyone who cares,
can set up , as directed, and see in a few weeks .
and, the difference is apparent.




"Spread sheet proof tactic"?  Not a clue, sorry.

Been growing this stuff since the late 80's, many things are clear over many grows. 

No interest in convincing anybody. :shrug:

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: thelanzii]
    #18315658 - 05/24/13 06:21 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Nemmies said:
I was thinking about the actual cost compared to my bulk grows.  I probably spent around 100 on the ppf containers.  I bought 125 of them.  The ziplocs were a buck a piece and the generic brand were 2 for 3.  I may actually take the time to price it out one of these days.  Once the initial cost of the containers is out the way though this method definitely seams cheaper



One plastic container effectively costs the same as a jar, will not break, and saves sterilization costs.
Not to mention the myriad other costs it eliminates as a whole technique.
Plus ya can't put a price tag on not having tons of weird modified jars totes and stuff around; Just tupperware and a bag of lawn seed!


Nemmies I'm sure you saw the posts on the last 2 pages; let your colonized containers hang out for a while before casing!

Gongrats on your large stock of containers! You'll be glad to know they have MANY uses. I commonly use them for prints (stacked in the PC with foil rectangles inside each, with lids off next to them), 'petri dishes' (stacked and sterilized next to the agar, removed and poured in laminar flow, or simply pre-poured and PC'd 6-8 at a time), making spore solution, and obviously a myriad of home uses!


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18315662 - 05/24/13 06:22 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)


many reading this,
care alot about,
methods,supply, time , energy, and yield.
thats kinda the point.




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