Home | Community | Message Board


Sporeworks
Please support our sponsors.

General Interest >> Political Discussion

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Jump to first unread post. Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]
Offlinewingnutx
Registered: 09/25/00
Posts: 2,268
Last seen: 5 years, 5 months
Saudis in Iraq 'preparing for a holy war'
    #1830606 - 08/19/03 06:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer...p=1012571727088

Saudis in Iraq 'preparing for a holy war'
By Mark Huband in London
Published: August 18 2003 19:45 | Last Updated: August 18 2003 19:45

Increasing numbers of Saudi Arabian Islamists are crossing the border into Iraq in preparation for a jihad, or holy war, against US and UK forces, security and Islamist sources have warned.

A senior western counter-terrorism official on Monday said the presence of foreign fighters in Iraq was "extremely worrying".

A statement purportedly from al-Qaeda was broadcast on Monday by the Arab satellite television channel al-Arabiya. It claimed the al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and the leader of the Afghanistan's ousted Taliban regime Mullah Mohammed Omar were still alive. But it also asserted that recent attacks on US forces in Iraq were the work of jihadis.

The focus of concern for US counter-terrorist officials was at first on a reconstituted Ansar al-Islam, the al-Qaeda-linked terrorist group based in northern Iraq before the war. But US officials have recently acknowledged the presence of other foreign fighters in Iraq.

Paul Bremer, the US administrator in Iraq, said recent raids, including one near al-Qaim last month, uncovered fighters "carrying travel documents from a variety of countries".

According to Saad al-Faguih, a UK-based Saudi dissident, the Saudi authorities are concerned that up to 3,000 Saudi men have gone "missing" in the kingdom in two months, although it is not clear how many have crossed into Iraq.

Saudis who have gone to Iraq have established links with sympathetic Iraqis in the northern area between Baghdad, Mosul and Tikrit, where they have hidden in safe-houses, a Saudi Islamist source said on Monday.

Pressure on Islamists in Saudi Arabia has grown since the bombing of an expatriate residential compound in May killed 35 people. The subsequent arrest of many Islamists has forced some underground while others are trying to flee to Iraq.

"Part of this movement of people has been individual, but it is getting more organised now," Saad al-Faguih said, adding that the loose organisation of Saudi Islamists did not have a clear link to al-Qaeda. "Al-Qaeda is there and not there. But its umbrella is huge, which is what has given it its ability to survive," he said.

A senior UK official said there was evidence of extremists from several countries focusing on Iraq, though it was unclear what role al-Qaeda played.

"I don't know whether you can talk about an al-Qaeda strategy in Iraq, though there is great evidence of al-Qaeda involvement in the jihadi cause inside Iraq. But there's as much talk about other people doing things inside Iraq," the official said.

Additional reporting by Peter Spiegel in Washington



Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlined33p
Welcome to Violence

Registered: 07/12/03
Posts: 5,381
Loc: the shores of Tripoli
Last seen: 3 years, 6 months
Re: Saudis in Iraq 'preparing for a holy war' [Re: wingnutx]
    #1830619 - 08/19/03 06:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

What forgign arabs are the ones attacking us troops. No never it can't be. The Iraqi's must hate america or...


--------------------
I'm a nihilist. Lets be friends.

bang bang


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinewingnutx
Registered: 09/25/00
Posts: 2,268
Last seen: 5 years, 5 months
Re: Saudis in Iraq 'preparing for a holy war' [Re: d33p]
    #1830632 - 08/19/03 06:28 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

fly-paper for jihadis.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineAzmodeus
Seeker

Registered: 11/27/02
Posts: 3,392
Loc: Lotus Land!! B.C.
Last seen: 11 years, 10 months
Re: Saudis in Iraq 'preparing for a holy war' [Re: wingnutx]
    #1830651 - 08/19/03 06:33 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Good for them, im sure they feel its for the greater good. Allah blesses thier cause and they will fight to the bloody end.

I guess my point is both sides feel what they are doing is right, and the resulting conflict is a waste of life and resources. The americans should leave and concern themselves with thier own regime,and liberation.


--------------------
"Know your Body - Know your Mind - Know your Substance - Know your Source.

Lest we forget. "


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlined33p
Welcome to Violence

Registered: 07/12/03
Posts: 5,381
Loc: the shores of Tripoli
Last seen: 3 years, 6 months
Re: Saudis in Iraq 'preparing for a holy war' [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1830657 - 08/19/03 06:34 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

It would be nice if that happened but no one would leave america alone regaurdless.


--------------------
I'm a nihilist. Lets be friends.

bang bang


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineAzmodeus
Seeker

Registered: 11/27/02
Posts: 3,392
Loc: Lotus Land!! B.C.
Last seen: 11 years, 10 months
Re: Saudis in Iraq 'preparing for a holy war' [Re: d33p]
    #1830661 - 08/19/03 06:35 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

d33p said:
What forgign arabs are the ones attacking us troops. No never it can't be. The Iraqi's must hate america or... 




they really do appreciate the americans help?!. :lol:..you believe that? oh, i get it..., you must have seen them rejoicing when the saddam statue was toppeled.... :wink:


--------------------
"Know your Body - Know your Mind - Know your Substance - Know your Source.

Lest we forget. "


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineAzmodeus
Seeker

Registered: 11/27/02
Posts: 3,392
Loc: Lotus Land!! B.C.
Last seen: 11 years, 10 months
Re: Saudis in Iraq 'preparing for a holy war' [Re: d33p]
    #1830671 - 08/19/03 06:38 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

d33p said:
It would be nice if that happened but no one would leave america alone regaurdless. 




Yep, its a little late for that...you really pissed em off.  I have lived in a muslim country, and if you think the christians in the states are bad, you haven't seen religious fanatics! :crazy:


--------------------
"Know your Body - Know your Mind - Know your Substance - Know your Source.

Lest we forget. "


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlined33p
Welcome to Violence

Registered: 07/12/03
Posts: 5,381
Loc: the shores of Tripoli
Last seen: 3 years, 6 months
Re: Saudis in Iraq 'preparing for a holy war' [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1830675 - 08/19/03 06:40 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

It was said foriegners were brought in to stage the saddam statue to make it look like americans are welcome. Now foriegners are being brought in to attack americans to make people bealive the americans are not welcome. i find it all quite ironic. Maybe the average iraqi could get "his" opinion out then this whole thing would be a lot better.



--------------------
I'm a nihilist. Lets be friends.

bang bang


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineAzmodeus
Seeker

Registered: 11/27/02
Posts: 3,392
Loc: Lotus Land!! B.C.
Last seen: 11 years, 10 months
Re: Saudis in Iraq 'preparing for a holy war' [Re: d33p]
    #1830685 - 08/19/03 06:43 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Excellent point!...i love it!!! :grin:


--------------------
"Know your Body - Know your Mind - Know your Substance - Know your Source.

Lest we forget. "


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleAutonomous
MysteriousStranger

Registered: 05/10/02
Posts: 901
Loc: U.S.S.A.
Re: Saudis in Iraq 'preparing for a holy war' [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1830804 - 08/19/03 07:20 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Azmodeus said:
...my point is both sides feel what they are doing is right, and the resulting conflict is a waste of life and resources.  The americans should leave and concern themselves with thier own regime,and liberation.



Excellent point. :thumbup:


--------------------
"In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination."
-- Mark Twain


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineCornholio
A liberal guy(on hiatus)

Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 845
Loc: Austin, TX
Last seen: 13 years, 23 days
Re: Saudis in Iraq 'preparing for a holy war' [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1830913 - 08/19/03 08:01 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Azmodeus said:
Excellent point!...i love it!!! :grin: 


Me too!  I wonder how the average Iraqi really feels about US presence?  We know a few people are in favor of it, especially friends and family of the people we are putting in charge.  But how does the rest of the country feel?  Great question! 


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlineshakta
Infidel
Registered: 06/03/03
Posts: 2,633
Last seen: 12 years, 6 months
Re: Saudis in Iraq 'preparing for a holy war' [Re: Cornholio]
    #1831061 - 08/19/03 09:07 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Here is a better question. How many of them are glad Saddam is gone? I understand that a lot of them want us out of there. The truth remains that we must finish the job we started. Leaving now would be a disaster. Who knows what kind of regime would take over. We already screwed them over by not finishing the job the first time. Lets not do it again.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineCornholio
A liberal guy(on hiatus)

Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 845
Loc: Austin, TX
Last seen: 13 years, 23 days
Re: Saudis in Iraq 'preparing for a holy war' [Re: shakta]
    #1831140 - 08/19/03 09:39 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

shakta said:
Here is a better question. How many of them are glad Saddam is gone? I understand that a lot of them want us out of there. The truth remains that we must finish the job we started. Leaving now would be a disaster. Who knows what kind of regime would take over. We already screwed them over by not finishing the job the first time. Lets not do it again.


Almost everyone is glad he's gone. If we left now, the UN would finish the job. I think that's the best course of action, except that we wouldn't get to profit from Iraq's treasures. Heaven knows, we need their stuff a lot more than the Iraqis do.


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlineshakta
Infidel
Registered: 06/03/03
Posts: 2,633
Last seen: 12 years, 6 months
Re: Saudis in Iraq 'preparing for a holy war' [Re: Cornholio]
    #1831147 - 08/19/03 09:43 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The UN is good at one thing and one thing only. Humanitarian aid. They are not good at securing a country. This profiting off of the Iraqis shit is getting old. This war is not going to be profitable for the US. We are going to lose our ass on it. Besides, handing it over to the UN, is synonymous with handing it over to France. They would have no problem with letting Saddam back in. The French are actively campaigning around the world to keep countries from helping out in Iraq. I wonder why? You think those oil contracts they are holding have anything to do with it?


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleGabbaDj
BTH
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/08/01
Posts: 19,448
Loc: By The Lake
Re: Saudis in Iraq 'preparing for a holy war' [Re: wingnutx]
    #1831298 - 08/19/03 10:33 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

When is the US finaly going to take over Saudi Arabia?

Everything points to them, from the trade center terrorists to exiled X presidents live or are from their. We need to stop pretending that they are innocent and cut our secret ties with them before they kill us all.


--------------------
GabbaDj

FAMM.ORG          C8.com                    http://www.beatsopjefiets.com/   


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlineshakta
Infidel
Registered: 06/03/03
Posts: 2,633
Last seen: 12 years, 6 months
Re: Saudis in Iraq 'preparing for a holy war' [Re: GabbaDj]
    #1831337 - 08/19/03 10:45 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

They are starting to do some things. I think Iraq has finally woken them up. Time will tell if they are truly changing or not. I hold out hope that they are.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineCornholio
A liberal guy(on hiatus)

Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 845
Loc: Austin, TX
Last seen: 13 years, 23 days
Re: Saudis in Iraq 'preparing for a holy war' [Re: shakta]
    #1831361 - 08/19/03 10:53 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

shakta said:
The UN is good at one thing and one thing only. Humanitarian aid. They are not good at securing a country.


Evidence? You know the US has a terrible track record of rebuiding countries (WWII being the only notable exception).
Quote:

This profiting off of the Iraqis shit is getting old.


Agreed, but some here still don't believe it.
Quote:

This war is not going to be profitable for the US. We are going to lose our ass on it.


Yes, it cost us way too much, which is one of the reasons we now beleive we have a right to control Iraq's resources.
Quote:

Besides, handing it over to the UN, is synonymous with handing it over to France. They would have no problem with letting Saddam back in. The French are actively campaigning around the world to keep countries from helping out in Iraq. I wonder why? You think those oil contracts they are holding have anything to do with it?


Show me a source that says France wants Saddam back. I can show you plenty that says France is vehemently anti-Saddam. France simply disagrees with the US opinion that war is good. And I think they oppose foreign aid only because we refused to let anyone else get involved in the decision making process for the rebuilding of Iraq. Can you blame us? We conquered Iraq, it's OUR colony!



--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlineshakta
Infidel
Registered: 06/03/03
Posts: 2,633
Last seen: 12 years, 6 months
Re: Saudis in Iraq 'preparing for a holy war' [Re: Cornholio]
    #1831398 - 08/19/03 11:09 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

\Your arguments are becoming ridiculous. France cares about France. Their supposed liberal view mask their deviousness. They didn't care about the Iraqi people. As long as they got their cheap oil, they were happy. I find it ironic, that all of the supposedly liberal countries were against forcing Saddam out. Were is their compassion? Were is their love of human rights?

We are not going to take any oil from the Iraqis, and you know this is true. You also know we aren't going to annex it. Stating that we are is just dumb. The oil will be used to rebuild Iraq's infrastructure, and to take care of the Iraqi people. Period. That is what it will be used for. I think the UN bombing is going to wake some people up. These terrorists are not fighting to free their people. We already did and are currently doing that. One more reminder. We did not do this unilaterally. You already know this, yet you seem to never remember it.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineCornholio
A liberal guy(on hiatus)

Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 845
Loc: Austin, TX
Last seen: 13 years, 23 days
Re: Saudis in Iraq 'preparing for a holy war' [Re: shakta]
    #1831636 - 08/20/03 12:23 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

shakta said:
Your arguments are becoming ridiculous. France cares about France. Their supposed liberal view mask their deviousness. They didn't care about the Iraqi people. As long as they got their cheap oil, they were happy. I find it ironic, that all of the supposedly liberal countries were against forcing Saddam out. Were is their compassion? Were is their love of human rights?


Of course France cares about France.  But they are also anti-war.  They were not against the ousting of Saddam, but had a different  plan:

"France, which has led the anti-war opposition that has strong support throughout the world, floated a "memorandum," which would lengthen U.N. weapons inspections by about four months.

It would bring in additional inspectors, give them more sophisticated equipment and require them to report on their progress to the council every three weeks.

In Berlin, French President Jacques Chirac said after talks with German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder: "We see no reason in this context to change our logic, which is a logic of peace, and to switch to a logic of war."

Quote:

We are not going to take any oil from the Iraqis, and you know this is true. You also know we aren't going to annex it. Stating that we are is just dumb. The oil will be used to rebuild Iraq's infrastructure, and to take care of the Iraqi people. Period.


But we're controlling oil that isn't ours (or is it?)  Shouldn't the new Iraqi leadership be allowed to use the profits of their own oil the way they see fit?  I assume the US picked better leaders than they usually do, but I could be wrong.  If we're really so concerned about their interests, let's give them a few advisors.
Quote:

I think the UN bombing is going to wake some people up. These terrorists are not fighting to free their people. We already did and are currently doing that.


Shakta, if we control their country, they're not free.  Even if we think we have their best interests in mind.  This was the British mentality during their colonial period - they thought they were benefitting everyone under their control, and maybe some arguments could be made that this was the case.  But people don't like others to control them.
Quote:

We did not do this unilaterally. You already know this, yet you seem to never remember it. 


I'm confused.  What didn't we do unilaterally???  :confused:   


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlineshakta
Infidel
Registered: 06/03/03
Posts: 2,633
Last seen: 12 years, 6 months
Re: Saudis in Iraq 'preparing for a holy war' [Re: Cornholio]
    #1831797 - 08/20/03 01:27 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The whole point to all of this is, the people that fought the war are going to be held responsible by history for its outcome. I don't trust the UN with that responsibility. We are doing the best we can for the Iraqis now. Some of them, and a lot of outside influences are trying to sabotage this effort. This is not going to change if the UN takes over. This argument is almost pointless anyway. I don't see the UN taking over anything in the forseeable future.

I know they are not truly free yet. They have more freedom than they had before, and it will get better. We did free them from Saddam and are currently working to give them the freedom to govern themselves. You must also remember that a war is still being fought. I think this bombing and the Jordanian embassy bombing mark the beginning in a new phase of the war. This is the war on terror. I believe that we will find out these bombings are the work of foreign terrorists. These people most certainly don't care about Iraqis. They are the lowest scum of the earth. Along with the scumbag that carried out the bombing in Israel. I am going to start a new post about that though.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Jump to top. Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]

General Interest >> Political Discussion

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Former Mossad Chief: Iraq Invasion has Created a Holy War Zahid 298 1 11/10/03 12:29 AM
by Learyfan
* The United States Can't Win Iraq's Civil War FrenchSocialist 487 0 04/14/07 05:44 PM
by FrenchSocialist
* Iraq in civil war, says former PM bukkake 362 1 03/20/06 04:19 AM
by Alex213
* N. Korea calls for "holy war against the United States"
( 1 2 3 all )
Learyfan 1,987 57 01/13/03 08:16 PM
by Dilauded
* Leave Iraq Alone. No war for oil!
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 all )
Demon 4,829 114 10/28/05 06:54 PM
by looner2
* Saudis fight al-Qaida at home, fund abroad Pali_Gap 681 6 01/12/05 04:06 AM
by methikist
* Saudi Telethon Calls for the Enslavement of Jewish Women Great_Satan 441 0 01/07/05 06:55 PM
by Great_Satan
* Saudis give a grim 'what if' should U.S. opt to leave Iraq lonestar2004 895 17 07/08/07 10:14 AM
by zappaisgod

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Prisoner#1, Enlil
1,491 topic views. 4 members, 1 guests and 2 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Toggle Favorite | Print Topic | Stats ]
Search this thread:
Everything Mushrooms
Please support our sponsors.

Copyright 1997-2016 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.095 seconds spending 0.004 seconds on 16 queries.