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boneynerd
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Antibacterial penicillins to stop Trich?
#18267295 - 05/15/13 03:49 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Penicillium (a fungi) can stop bacteria.. or atleast they maybe release a substance that stop bacteria..
can this be harnessed as a kind of pesticide to ward of bacteria by spraying or soaking mycelium of another species with it?
just looking into organic ways to fight contams in the fungi kingdom.
if anyone kind find out that would be cool.. im reading lots of books too
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Re: Antibacterial penicillins to stop Trich? [Re: boneynerd]
#18267316 - 05/15/13 03:58 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would say no because Trich isn't a bacteria. And youd probably just kill the mycelium anyway
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boneynerd
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Re: Antibacterial penicillins to stop Trich? [Re: boneynerd]
#18267325 - 05/15/13 04:03 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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oh yea duh lol.. looking in the wrong direction. time to redirect my efforts
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Re: Antibacterial penicillins to stop Trich? [Re: Klonopinz]
#18267329 - 05/15/13 04:05 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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prevention is the best cure, and generaly once you have contamination there isnt really a cure apart from scraping the contaminated jars/trays or whatever and starting again.
its easy to start again, rather than waisting time and energy trying to save a contaminated project.
The best case of saving a project really is in the fruiting . if you spot a bit of mold then cover it with a salt paste and an inch beyond to get through a flush then ditch.
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Re: Antibacterial penicillins to stop Trich? [Re: veda_sticks]
#18267337 - 05/15/13 04:11 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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i know, its just that something somewhere in the world has to eat trichoderma.. something.. if we can find and culture or grow this thing and use it, it would save our world
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Re: Antibacterial penicillins to stop Trich? [Re: boneynerd]
#18267649 - 05/15/13 07:01 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Actually, trichoderma already is saving our world by breaking down organic matter in the soil so plants can grow.
Simply practice sterile procedure when growing mushrooms indoors and trich won't be a problem. RR
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Re: Antibacterial penicillins to stop Trich? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#18267705 - 05/15/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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The major issue with trich is its a fungicidal fungus. Any environment that is good for mushroom mycelium is good for trich. There really is no getting away from this. Chemical additives etc..... As RR said, just keep your cult area as clean as possible.
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Re: Antibacterial penicillins to stop Trich? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#18291111 - 05/20/13 04:34 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Actually, trichoderma already is saving our world by breaking down organic matter in the soil so plants can grow.
Trich grows on living fungi. It's a parasite and a pest.
Parasitic organisms don't save the world, they are worthless garbage organisms that cause no end of suffering to the life forms they prey on.
There are far better decomposers out there and anything that preys on other decomposers is a detriment to the life cycle, and not a savior of anything.
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Re: Antibacterial penicillins to stop Trich? [Re: fastfred]
#18291931 - 05/20/13 10:00 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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fastfred, surely you know, that everything has its niche. If all Trich of the world were to disappear in an instant it's likely our planet's ecosystem could collapse from the bottom up.
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Re: Antibacterial penicillins to stop Trich? [Re: Violet]
#18292054 - 05/20/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fastfred has a point; we aren't talking about bumblebees and spiders here. Just because it exists in nature does not mean it is helping anything. It's Survival of the Fittest not "Everything that's here belongs here"
Trich is here because its strong enough to survive in our environments not because nature needs it.
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Re: Antibacterial penicillins to stop Trich? [Re: Violet]
#18292061 - 05/20/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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You can take whatever human-spun mentalism/opinion on the matter that you want, higher apes do that a lot. However, where things stand today,
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Violet said: If all Trich of the world were to disappear in an instant it's likely our planet's ecosystem could collapse from the bottom up.
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Re: Antibacterial penicillins to stop Trich? [Re: Violet]
#18292067 - 05/20/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey peeps these are more philosophical differences...
Love it or hate it, its here to stay.
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Edited by Sillyputty67 (05/20/13 10:35 AM)
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Re: Antibacterial penicillins to stop Trich? [Re: Violet]
#18292078 - 05/20/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are you trying to say that every living organism is beneficial to nature?
You may be right about trich, who knows it may be really useful in nature but that is definitely not true for every species
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Re: Antibacterial penicillins to stop Trich? [Re: Sillyputty67]
#18292081 - 05/20/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's exactly my point malicom. Such perspectives are philosophical. The balance of ecosystems is not. Trich is necessary, and it's here. "Parasite" is a thought. There's always something deeper going on than our most low-resolution perspective on such matters.
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Re: Antibacterial penicillins to stop Trich? [Re: GreenRabbit]
#18292082 - 05/20/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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My philosophy states:
Humans are dead. Everything is extinct. The world you love is dust. Its just a matter of time. Enjoy what you have now, and try to be beneficial to your surroundings.
Also a more diverse ecosystem is always a healthier one.
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Re: Antibacterial penicillins to stop Trich? [Re: GreenRabbit]
#18292255 - 05/20/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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GreenRabbit said: Trich is here because its strong enough to survive in our environments not because nature needs it.
Do a google search on "benefits of trichoderma". It's hardly parasitic to plants or soil and in fact benefits both.
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Re: Antibacterial penicillins to stop Trich? [Re: FooMan]
#18292350 - 05/20/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Im not saying its useless but It's benefits aren't the reason it thrives in some environments.
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Re: Antibacterial penicillins to stop Trich? [Re: GreenRabbit]
#18292402 - 05/20/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I didn't realize we were speaking about environments trich thrives in. I thought we were talking about its usefulness in nature.
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Re: Antibacterial penicillins to stop Trich? [Re: Violet]
#18292639 - 05/20/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Violet said: fastfred, surely you know, that everything has its niche. If all Trich of the world were to disappear in an instant it's likely our planet's ecosystem could collapse from the bottom up.
Everything may have it's niche, but that doesn't make it important to the ecosystem or a benefit to human or other life on the planet.
If all the trich in the world disappeared it wouldn't make one tiny difference, except to parasites of parasites like trich, if these even exist. If anything it would probably be an all around benefit.
There are thousands of species that would happily fill the niche left behind by trich. We're not even talking about an important parasite like mosquitoes (I would wipe those out too). The microbiological world is incredibly more diverse than the macroscopic world and something would happily fill any gap that may or may not even exist in the absence of trich.
Trich is a PARASITE! It lives by killing other species. It gets it's energy by coiling around healthy myc and sucking it dry with millions of leech-like suckers.

 Pic 1 shows is coiling around mycelium. Pic 2 shows the holes it has punched into healthy myc after it has been removed.
If trich happens to have some benefit by killing off mycological predators to plants, or has some enzyme that somehow benefits some plants, I could care less.
That's like saying that some sort of shark leech is a good thing because it keeps shark populations down so they don't eat as many people and edible fish. At least the shark is a legitimate lifeform with a legit niche on our planet.
If we had the time and resources to create a trich that feeds on trich, I would be in favor of that. We could have a whole ecosystem of parasites with their own food chain. As it stands trich is no better than ticks, fleas, mosquitoes, malaria, viruses, and other life forms that exist to prey on other organisms because they cannot find their own rightful place in nature.
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