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OfflineGernBlanston
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Ann Coulter: Traitor
    #1828991 - 08/19/03 10:20 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Ann Coulter: Slander and Treason All in One Fell Swoop

Bob Dylan, sagacious bard, noted that "patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings."(1) Truer words were never spoken as pertains to Ann Coulter, political pundit, best-selling author and Fox News regular. Ms. Coulter earns her living by questioning the patriotism of Democrats and lauding the fidelity of Republicans, often engaging in rabid hyperbole that has so far escaped serious critique apparently due to her willowy physique and allure.

But no more.

Ann Coulter has crossed a line, a line etched in stone, that cannot be easily ignored, excused, justified, mitigated or forgotten. In fact, it should attach to Ms. Coulter for the duration of her political and public life.

On August 14, 2003, in her weekly column on the extreme right wing mouthpiece, FrontPageMag.com, about former Vice President Al Gore and current Governor Gray Davis, Ann Coulter wrote:

"Both were veterans, after a fashion, of Vietnam, which would make a Gore-Davis Presidential ticket the only compelling argument yet in favor of friendly fire."(2)

This from a woman who has written two best selling books entitled Slander and Treason.

One does not have to look very far to find examples of Ms. Coulter?s blatant hypocrisy. The very first line of her latest book reads: "Liberals have a preternatural gift for striking a position on the side of treason."(3) She later explains:

"Liberals could never figure out who the enemy was ? other than an enemy called the United States of America. In the early 1970's, the current publisher of the New York Times, Arthur ?Pinch? Sulzberger, a college student and anti-war activist at the time, was asked by his father, the then-publisher of the Times, whom he would want to see shot if an American soldier came face to face with a North Vietnamese soldier. ?I would want to see the American guy get shot," Pinch said. ?It?s the other guy?s country.? Today he issues treasonous editorials demanding that Bush get approval from the Vichy government before taking action against terrorists."(4)

In Ann?s world, advocating the death of an American soldier at the hands of a North Vietnamese soldier defending his country is treasonous. Advocating the "fragging" of an eventual two term Vice-President and California Governor is not.

Ann?s vitriol, however, should not be interpreted as being limited to Al Gore or Gray Davis, but extends to all Democrats. To her:

"Republican confidence and determination in waging war do not preclude occasional missteps and errors, but in the end, they win the war. Democratic presidents are just the opposite. Battles are won, but somehow the Democrats always manage to wrest defeat from the jaws of victory."(5)

She somehow has forgotten about World War II under Franklin Delano Roosevelt. She tries to explain away Nixon?s two term involvement in Vietnam, and the evacuation of Saigon and South Vietnam under President Gerald Ford. She ignores that the Pentagon Papers disclosed by Daniel Ellsberg revealed a continuous American policy of involvement in Vietnam spanning close to two decades.

Ann?s simplemindedness cannot be overstated. Her revisionism recalls that:

"Barry Goldwater ran against Johnson in 1964, saying that ?I would have said to North Vietnam, by dropping leaflets out of B-52's ?You quit the war in three days or the next time these babies come over they?re going to drop big bombs on you. And I?d make a swamp out of North Vietnam . . . I?d rather kill a hell of a lot of North Vietnamese than one American and we?ve lost enough of them.? Democrats explained that Goldwater was a right wing nut who?d get us all blown up . . . More likely, the North Vietnamese would have reacted the way Iranian hostage takers did when Reagan was elected, immediately releasing their American hostages the very same day of his inauguration."(6)

She once again conveniently ignores seven years of subsequent fighting in Vietnam under Republican Presidents. And her homage conveniently omits reference to the consideration received by the Iranian hostage takers for their charity: money and weapons.(7)

Ann Coulter leaves her reader with a clear message:

"We should remember Vietnam. This is what we should remember. Whenever Democrats dabble in military affairs America suffers relentless defeat, entire continents fall to Communism, America loses wars, invasions fail, Americans are taken hostage. American soldiers are dragged through the streets, and the nation is demoralized and humiliated. It is a fact that the Democrats have been responsible for every unmitigated foreign policy disaster since World War II."

And this woman has written this after September 11th.

She would much rather Americans swallow whole her red herrings about the valor and virtue of Republican leadership, and ignore a simple reality: that despite her postulate that Democrats and wars don?t mix, especially as relates to Vietnam, it was the Democrats who actually fought in the war.(8) For a black and white, cut and paste demagogue like Ann, I?m sure this glaring inconsistency rankles her to no end. The resolution to such theoretical quandary? To wish that the Democrats had simply been killed by their brothers-in-arms.

In writing this article, I have come to realize perhaps the reason why Ann has avoided criticism for any particular misstatement: the choice among the sheer volume of inaccuracies from which to expose and ridicule becomes a Sisyphean task. Such task definitely extends the boundaries of a single article. And even when Ann shows a rare moment of astounding prescience, she suffers a fatal flaw. A mere two days after the Twin Towers were destroyed, she wrote, "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."(9) Unfortunately, the big game has proven elusive(10), and the proselytizing has not taken hold.(11)

In his book, Big Lies: The Right-Wing Propaganda Machine and How It Distorts the Truth, Joe Conason astutely observes about Ms. Coulter that:

"She is entitled to her banal sputtering of course. She?s even entitled to make millions of dollars by polluting the airwaves and bookshelves with mindless diatribes.(12) What is due, however, is a response commensurate with these right wing attacks. What is needed is an answer to conservative propaganda that holds the right accountable for its lies and hypocrisy."(13)

This article is an attempt to meet that challenge, and help fill that void. When someone mentions the name Ann Coulter, say "Traitor." When they ask for proof, respond that she advocated the murder of the elected President of the United States and the Governor of California on August 14th, in FrontPageMag.com.

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/08/19_coulter.html


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Re: Ann Coulter: Traitor [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1828997 - 08/19/03 10:26 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I think she is a nutjob. Everyone has them unfortunately.


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Re: Ann Coulter: Traitor [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1829013 - 08/19/03 10:38 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Weak.


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Re: Ann Coulter: Traitor [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1829353 - 08/19/03 01:15 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I saw her on Larry King a few nights ago. He was giving her a hard time, and while I don't like her, the fierce intelligence that she possesses is clearly evident.


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Re: Ann Coulter: Traitor [Re: MOTH]
    #1829365 - 08/19/03 01:20 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

EllemyshShade said:
I saw her on Larry King a few nights ago. He was giving her a hard time, and while I don't like her, the fierce intelligence that she possesses is clearly evident.



Larry "pre-approved questions puff piece" King giving someone a hard time?

What a surprise. Now if he'd only do the same to the libbie guests.



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Re: Ann Coulter: Traitor [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1829394 - 08/19/03 01:29 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

The only thing Ann Coulter is intelligent about is controversy...her statements are rediculous and only serve to get her noticed. I highly doubt that an individual could possibly believe half of the shit she spouts out.


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Re: Ann Coulter: Traitor [Re: Rono]
    #1829401 - 08/19/03 01:31 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Hyperbole is her job, basically.


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Re: Ann Coulter: Traitor [Re: wingnutx]
    #1829426 - 08/19/03 01:40 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

She's good in the sack.


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Re: Ann Coulter: Traitor [Re: Autonomous]
    #1829562 - 08/19/03 02:10 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Get back in the kitchen


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OfflineGernBlanston
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Re: Ann Coulter: Traitor [Re: wingnutx]
    #1829568 - 08/19/03 02:11 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

wingnutx said:
Hyperbole is her job, basically.




And she's damn good at it. Too bad she's pure, unadulterated evil.


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Re: Ann Coulter: Traitor [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1829775 - 08/19/03 03:03 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I wish Ann Coulter would go away. has anyone noticed that she has become a lot more popular since 9/11? she's raking in the cash. she's made millions since then on the fears of americans. I call that exploiting a national tragedy.


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Re: Ann Coulter: Traitor [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1829917 - 08/19/03 03:43 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

She's not as smart as Carrot Top.


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Re: Ann Coulter: Traitor [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1829996 - 08/19/03 04:03 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I tend to agree with you. She has some valid points from time to time. They generally get lost on me with all of her BS though.


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Re: Ann Coulter: Traitor [Re: shakta]
    #1830329 - 08/19/03 05:16 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

in a few years she'll be doing porno's with black guys and 15 inch cocks.


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Re: Ann Coulter: Traitor [Re: Malachi]
    #1830349 - 08/19/03 05:19 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I would definitely download that one.


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Re: Ann Coulter: Traitor [Re: wingnutx]
    #1830388 - 08/19/03 05:28 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

hell, I'd buy that one.

*grunt* you want to take away affirmative action, huh bitch? take it! take it hard!


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Re: Ann Coulter: Traitor [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1830816 - 08/19/03 07:24 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Weak. 


I thought it was a damn well thought out argument against Ann Coulter.  Care to back yourself up lds, or is that a just a preprogrammed response to any solid liberal argument?

Great post Gern!!!    :thumbup: 


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Re: Ann Coulter: Traitor [Re: Cornholio]
    #1830819 - 08/19/03 07:25 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

is that a just a preprogrammed response to any solid liberal argument



As I've never seen one, I couldn't say.  :wink:


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Re: Ann Coulter: Traitor [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1831032 - 08/19/03 08:57 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

She does go a little overboard on the conservative bias. However there are tons of liberals out there who spit out propaganda like it's their job. The field is a little more balanced now.


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Re: Ann Coulter: Traitor [Re: FileSoup]
    #1831472 - 08/19/03 11:29 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

See... now I find that most of the out-and-out propagandists out there have a distinctly conservative bent. While it would be silly of me to argue that there are no propagandizing lefties, it seems to me (note: opinion follows) that most of the people who are often criticized as leftie propagandists are really just out there trying to make points. There is a huge difference to me between Ann Coulter using (what passes for her as) wit when wishing for the "friendly fire" deaths of Gore/Davis, or calling for a renewed look at the policies of Sen. Joe McCarthy versus when Michael Moore is a bonafide pain in the ass to attempt to show that GM is doing a great disservice to the people who made them great, or Greg Palast spending thousands of man-hours digging up evidence as to the facts behind the rigging of the Florida ballots in the 2000 presidential election.

When I look at both sides, I get the distinct impression that one side is attempting to expose problems with the system, and the other side is attempting to discredit those who do not blindly accept the system for what it is.

Of course, I may be over simplifying my viewpoints here, but I'm tired. And simple. And not very pretty, either. Oh well...


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