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Offlinenubious
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Heaven on earth....
    #1828006 - 08/18/03 08:51 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Will only be created once religon is eliminated.

That is all.


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Re: Heaven on earth.... [Re: nubious]
    #1828254 - 08/18/03 10:40 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

I disagree.

First, ( And I don't think you were saying it would) it will never be eliminated.

For Heaven to exist on earth, suffering would have to end, and religion doesn't have a monopoly on suffering. In fact, many would argue that with it, suffering is lessened, or eliminated.

Then we go back to humanity's need for suffering. It seems to be a driving force to our being. What would happen if it were eliminated?


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Re: Heaven on earth.... [Re: nubious]
    #1828260 - 08/18/03 10:45 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

That depends on how you define heaven.

And what hag said.


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Re: Heaven on earth.... [Re: nubious]
    #1828314 - 08/18/03 11:21 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Your way, or the highway, right. Is that heaven on earth?

At that, it's an unintelligent, one-liner comment that rests arrogantly in a box.


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Re: Heaven on earth.... [Re: nubious]
    #1828319 - 08/18/03 11:26 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

(After a few minutes with the vaporizer...  :stash:)


Why would you want to get rid of religion anyway?

The people that participate in organized religion, have created their own reality.  It may not be one you share, but if they are content, and they have found their purpose, haven't they succeeded in life?

This does of course, exclude those who wish to kill those who are in disagreeance with their creed.

We must all find our OWN answers, and I don't think badly about anyone who choses that path.  For the most part, they are great people, with a lot of love, that contribute tremendously to society.
 


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Re: Heaven on earth.... [Re: nubious]
    #1828370 - 08/19/03 12:00 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

..only when every single person stops getting offended, puts their personal crap aside and werks for the best of humanity. pretty highly unlikely. hard for heaven and hell to coexist on the same plane eh..

religion, itself, is far from the root of the problem.


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Re: Heaven on earth.... [Re: nubious]
    #1828472 - 08/19/03 12:51 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

suffering will always exist, it's a basic human condition. but there's no reason we can't have unity.

organized religion prevents this because it makes it too easy to dismiss entire groups of people who think differently. I guess its not entirely the fault of religion, it's just human nature coming through... but religion isn't exactly helping us break free from human nature either...

PS Heaven on Earth is already here. find it.

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Re: Heaven on earth.... [Re: nubious]
    #1828545 - 08/19/03 01:26 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

well for "Heaven" to exist anywhere, we'd need Christianity.... But I TOTALLY agree with what you're saying


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Re: Heaven on earth.... [Re: nubious]
    #1828546 - 08/19/03 01:27 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

well for "Heaven" to exist anywhere, we'd need Christianity.... But I see what you mean and I definitely agree :smile:


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Re: Heaven on earth.... [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1828632 - 08/19/03 02:15 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

HagbardCeline said:
For Heaven to exist on earth, suffering would have to end, and religion doesn't have a monopoly on suffering. In fact, many would argue that with it, suffering is lessened, or eliminated.




That's cause it's such a damn good opiate.


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Re: Heaven on earth.... [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1828792 - 08/19/03 04:40 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

infidelGOD said:
suffering will always exist, it's a basic human condition. but there's no reason we can't have unity.





And the Enlightometer says... "Nope".

Suffering, a basic human conditon, nah. The fact that most people yet continue to suffer is the reason we can't have unity.

I don't suffer, and when I do, I learn from it and continue on the path of not suffering, pulling the plug on all of those addictions..

The first step towards Heaven on Earth is in your own mind. The best way to spread it is to continue living in that state of mind, showing others how it is possible.
Peace.


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