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OfflinePDU
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Eucalyptus mescaline
    #1828155 - 08/18/03 11:50 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I came across this on Erowid;

EUCALYPTUS

Family: Myrtaceae
Genus: Eucalyptus
Species: diversicolour (Karri)
obliqua (Messmate Stringybark)
regnans (Mountain Ash)

Mountain Ash is the tallest tree in Australia and grows up to 100m. It is
found in Tasmania in the Huon Valley and in Victoria in the Otways,
Dandenongs and Gippsland. E.obliqua grows up to 90m and is found across
southern Australia. Karri grows up to 90m and is found in the sw of WA.


FROM THE NET

From: anonymous
Subject: Mescaline from Gum Trees
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Hi folks,

Whilst browsing chem abstracts yesterday I came across an intriguing
reference, especially for ozlanders. The Australian Dept of Defence
developed a technique for producing mescaline from eucalypt sawdust in
fairly high yield back in '64.
Here it is:

CA 61,8515
The preparation of mescaline from eucalypt lignin.
D. Amos, Dept. Supply, Defence Std Lab, Melbourne.
Australasian J. Pharm., 45, 529 (1964)

Dried Eucalyptus Regnans sawdust oxidised with nitrobenzene and alkali @
150C yielded 4% of syringaldehyde. Methylation @ 0-5C for 1hr with Me2SO4,
then heated at 70C for 1 hr gave 56% 3,4,5, trimethoxybenzaldehyde.
Converted to the cyanohydrin (ie +KCN+weak acid - jm) then reduced with
Pd black to mescaline. Overall yield 1% from dried sawdust. E. obliqua and
E. diversicolour both gave 0.7% yields.


So there you have it. Our army, or maybe ASIO, wanted a way to make vast
quantities of mescaline (we have lots and lots of E. regnans, and 1kg
sawdust ~20 doses), very cheaply (all the ingredients are chemicals of
commerce, except Pd black, which is a recyclable catalyst), from local
precursors. Which is funny, since there would have been no difficulty
importing precursors or mescaline itself in experimental quantities. Maybe
they didn't want to be reliant on foreign suppliers, or maybe they didn't
want another country to be aware they were importing mescaline by the kilo.
It sounds like we might have had our very own MK-Ultra project running at
the height of the Cold War. It would be very interesting to follow this up.
Anyone out there know if we had some monkey business going on?

Maybe they were even extracting DMT from wattles and turning it into
psilocin, eh, J?


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Re: Eucalyptus mescaline [Re: PDU]
    #1828478 - 08/19/03 02:56 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

hmmm. sounds cool. wouldnt mind checkin a few sources though. but mountain ash grows al over and is nto euculyptus. it has thsoe littel red berries that the cider wax wings like. anyway nice find

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Re: Eucalyptus mescaline [Re: the man]
    #1828496 - 08/19/03 03:07 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, i wasnt too sure about it, i figured id have heard about it before, i posted it here more for a debunking....i wonder if its real and plausible.


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Re: Eucalyptus mescaline [Re: the man]
    #1828780 - 08/19/03 06:22 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

wouldnt mind checkin a few sources though.




http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/mescalyptus.html


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Re: Eucalyptus mescaline [Re: stefan]
    #1828815 - 08/19/03 07:12 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

it's a fairly complicated method.. LOL, i can't even figure out these diagrams..






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Re: Eucalyptus mescaline [Re: dookie]
    #1829806 - 08/19/03 03:12 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

yea i read this a rhodium. i think you can sythesis mescaline from vanillin from vanilla extract too.


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Re: Eucalyptus mescaline [Re: Infrared]
    #1831281 - 08/19/03 10:28 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

people would be growing eucalyptus trees instead of pedros if that was practical!!!

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Re: Eucalyptus mescaline [Re: PDU]
    #1831858 - 08/20/03 01:40 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I'm sure it would be far easier to buy some 3,4,5-Trimethoxybenzaldehyde
Not hard to find, 100g for $100

Convert 100g of 3,4,5-Trimethoxybenzaldehyde to 110g of 3,4,5-Trimethoxybenzaldehyde Cyanohydrin
Convert 110g of 3,4,5-Trimethoxybenzaldehyde Cyanohydrin to 90.2g of 3,4,5-Trimethoxybenzaldehyde Cyanohydrin Acetate
Convert 90.2g of 3,4,5-Trimethoxybenzaldehyde Cyanohydrin Acetate to 45.1g of 3,4,5-Trimethoxyphenethylamine
Voila. 150 doses of (300mg) mescaline.
Am I vastly oversimplifying this? I'm not much of a chemist.


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Re: Eucalyptus mescaline [Re: zeta]
    #1832886 - 08/20/03 11:54 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

and another pathway is:
the benzaldehyde --> the nitrostyrene --(reduction)-> the phenethylamine...
& the reduction step could be via LAH, or Pd/C, or Pt/H2 (parr), or electrochemically, or by several other hydrogenation methods...


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Re: Eucalyptus mescaline [Re: gnrm23]
    #1844111 - 08/23/03 09:59 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

i dont know how relevant this is but i heard from an equatence who's friend is really into psychedelics, got a drill, drilled about 10-20 cm's into a gum tree(which is basically eucalyptus tree i think) on a diagonal down angle into the tree, filled it with water, put something to block the whole, came back in a few days or weeks, put a straw in there and sucked it out and tripped his head off.

I've tried this and the water just soaked into the tree, maybe i did something wrong.

This friend on the guy i was talking to apparently also found that salvia grows in the middle of round abouts in certain councel areas of melbourne, australia.

I don't know how true any of this is, just what i heard.


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Re: Eucalyptus mescaline [Re: beam]
    #1845042 - 08/24/03 09:48 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Your acquaintance's friend is a pathological liar


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