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Help PICS (Identified! Psilocybe Semiglobata) in alaska
    #1827881 - 08/18/03 08:00 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)


Found in manure and very slimy to the touch. Cap is has a nipple and is yellow on top fading to a white. The caps appear to be blueing up. The stems are very long pale yellow and some have a twist to them. The gills are a light grey. Some have white gills.(different mushooms?)

Edited by newAK (08/20/03 12:58 AM)

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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: newAK]
    #1827906 - 08/18/03 08:15 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Looks like you might have an active. Of what. I dont know but im sure someone here would know.

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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: newAK]
    #1827952 - 08/18/03 08:31 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

They look like some kind of Panaeolus, but I've never seen pans with a viscid cap... dunno. Lets see what the others say.

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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: Gumby]
    #1827963 - 08/18/03 08:36 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

It'd really help to know what state they were found in. The fact that they were found on dung and are very "slimey" vicid to the touch suggests possibly Ps. semiglobata or a related species. But its impossible to tell with those pics. You say they are bruising blue, are you sure of this?


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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: Lizard King]
    #1827969 - 08/18/03 08:39 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

He's in Alaska.

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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: Gumby]
    #1828061 - 08/18/03 09:10 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

He is a she thank you! I am unsure of the blueing. It seems to be. Maybe another pic will help. I will get one sent in. I believe that the large cap and the stem behind are showing blue spots or maybe just bruised?

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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: newAK]
    #1828095 - 08/18/03 09:20 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

I did check out the Ps. semiglobata and they are not those. The mushrooms I have are very sturdy and the largest is about 5-6in high and the cap was 1 1/2in in diameter.

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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: newAK]
    #1828424 - 08/19/03 12:26 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

I did the spore print and its purple-black. Hope this will help with the id. I need it!

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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: newAK]
    #1828483 - 08/19/03 01:00 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

You should give a more accurate description and you'll probably get a confirmation faster.  Not that i could help you with the id, just seems like a safer, more efficient way of going about this. :smile2:

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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: ]
    #1828533 - 08/19/03 01:23 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks and I know. Will try to get better at this. As far as safe goes until I know for sure there is no safer thing then not eating it huh? :smile:

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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: newAK]
    #1829482 - 08/19/03 11:52 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

how did that spore print turn out?

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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: whole9]
    #1829597 - 08/19/03 12:17 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

It is brownish purple. This mushroom is really stumping me! The whole mushroom was very slimy when picked,we had alot of rain lately.The nipple on these were transparent looking and quite prononouced.

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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: newAK]
    #1829706 - 08/19/03 12:45 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

HMMMM im thinking you have an active still but I really want some other more experienced members opinions becuase im still a little newb at id'ing. So wait for Gumby Or Lizard to post again. Just provide as much info as you can. Start taking the measuring stick to it. And give them as much info as they can work with peace-

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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: newAK]
    #1829721 - 08/19/03 12:51 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Hrmmm... from spore print color and the visicd cap I'd say they *could* be keepers. I really have no clue what species they are though. They look like they belong to the genus Psilocybe but I'm not very sure about that. I'm gonna need some help IDing these guys. LK and MJ seems to be the resident Psilocybe experts, let's see what they say.
Sorry bout calling ya a guy, not too many girls round these parts :wink: 

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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: Gumby]
    #1829759 - 08/19/03 12:59 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks gumbydude and np about the guy thing. I am thinking that maybe they could be keepers too. I am doing another spore print and am going to try to post the pic. They have dried up a bit but remain sticky to the touch. Some have broke down to a slimy gelatous mess.

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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: newAK]
    #1829793 - 08/19/03 01:06 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

How many do you have?

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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: whole9]
    #1829808 - 08/19/03 01:13 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

At least 20. We left some of the smaller ones growing to see what happens. We are going to check on them today.they were also growing out of horse manure not cow if that makes a difference.

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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: newAK]
    #1829872 - 08/19/03 01:31 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Was there any annular zone on the stem at all??? If so was it by chance gellatinous like the rest of the mushroom? Is there a gellatinous pellicle on the cap, like a clear sticky skin that you can peel off the cap?? You can check by gently cracking the cap down the middle but not completely separating the halves, then gently pull apart the halves slowly and see if you see a clear skin starts to stetch. Also try splitting one of the mushrooms down the center length wise so we can get a cross section view and this should also promote a definite bluing reaction in the flesh if they are indeed active. Take some more pics and include the one you split down the center, try and get some specimens of all different stages of growth too.

And don't consume anything till you have an ID.

Kind of an interesting mushroom, maybe a new alaskin Psilocybe :smile:


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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: Lizard King]
    #1829907 - 08/19/03 01:39 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Thank LK I will do this. I won't eat anything till I know for sure! I would like to trip but not trip to my death bed huh? A new species would be exciting! pictures on the way.

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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: newAK]
    #1829984 - 08/19/03 02:00 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

a gellatinous pellicle is definently on all of these. the gellantinous substance goes all the way down the stem. I can't precieve any annulus on them though.

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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: newAK]
    #1830041 - 08/19/03 02:15 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

More pics of different stages and more cross sections.


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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: newAK]
    #1830132 - 08/19/03 02:36 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Great pics of the gelatinous pellicle! Also the cross section clearly shows a hollow stem. We have narrowed the field to atleast a genus, all these facts coupled with the color of the spore print indicates you defintely have a Psilocybe, now weather its active or not is still up in the air, lets see if we can pin-point a species. I have to say though, Growing in such a northern location, growing from dung, and being very gellatinous like your mushrooms are, it sounds like a dung dwelling inactive Psilocybe, probably in the Ps. merdaria, semiglobata, moellerii, coprophila comlpex.


The annular zone on merdaria and moellerii is usually on the lower half of the stem and at most in the mid region of the stem, never on the upper portion of the stem. The annular zone, if not dusted by spores, will appear clear and may be hard to spot. Its more like an extra thick part of slime on the stem :smile: For lack of better description. Do any of your mushrooms have this? Check lots of specimens, some older mushrooms may loose this annular zone under certain conditions.

And has there been any defintie bluing reaction in the split mushroom?


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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: Lizard King]
    #1830348 - 08/19/03 03:19 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with LK on everything cus hes a genius =D good stuff

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Re: Can anyone id these? PICS [Re: newAK]
    #1831312 - 08/19/03 08:39 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Im going to agree that these are definetely Psilocybes. The bluing reaction in active mushrooms is usually very obvious, and is a bright blue in color. Some of the pictures appear to have a dusting of spores on the annulus, but that may just be dirt. Try to get some spore prints, for trading. This is a very interesting post.

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Re: Help(brown-purple spore print) PICS [Re: newAK]
    #1831546 - 08/19/03 09:51 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

I am pretty sure they are Ps. semiglobata, but they could also be Ps. merdaria. There is a definite gelatinous annulus on these mushrooms typical and unique of semiglobata, and it is also on the upper region of the stems in most pics I see. Also I think merdaria is suppose to be more of a cinnamon brown color, and some of those younger specimens show the typical light yellowy color common of semiglobata. I am very familar with this species and have picked it on many occasions.

Heres a pic pointing out the gelatinous annular zone...



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Re: Help(brown-purple spore print) PICS [Re: Lizard King]
    #1831583 - 08/19/03 10:07 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Here are some pics I took of Ps. semiglobata I have found on the ole hard drive for comparison purpose. I know you said you took a look at Ps. semiglobata, but one pic form a book never shows what they can look like in different stages under different conditions...


A nice collection, notice how some of the annular zones have been dusted by spores.


Same collection close up and underneath...

Showing the gelatinous annular zone...


Showing the gelatinous seperable pellicle...


Showing the gelatinous stem...


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Re: Help(brown-purple spore print) PICS [Re: Lizard King]
    #1832021 - 08/20/03 12:39 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

THANK YOU THANK YOU LIZARD KING!!!!!! You have made my day! The pics you posted and the mushrooms I have are exactly the same. They have dried out conciderably and was wondering about potency. I will do some more research on these. The P. Semiglobata is one of the types I had in mind because of some pics Sporeworks.com web site but they are not supposed to be in Alaska. Thank you again everyone that helped! Hope this helps other in Alaska as well with our limited selection up here. :P

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Re: Help(brown-purple spore print) PICS [Re: newAK]
    #1833573 - 08/20/03 01:19 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I have found about 10 more in various locations around the same 3sqr mile area so I am hoping that this was not an isolated incident.

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Re: Help(brown-purple spore print) PICS [Re: newAK]
    #1834549 - 08/20/03 05:32 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Dont want to rain on your parade but as far as I know stropharia/ psilocybe semiglobata is not psychoactive. if they really are bluing though then thats a different story...

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Re: Help(brown-purple spore print) PICS [Re: Reverend_Jim_Jones]
    #1835619 - 08/20/03 10:34 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

eat em up?

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Re: Help(brown-purple spore print) PICS [Re: whole9]
    #1835940 - 08/21/03 12:42 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Id think it would be safer to say that it could be that mushroom - without examining the cystidia, basidia and spores it would be impossible to be certain.
seems like a reasonable stab though LK!
Certainly isnt Coprophilia or any related species.


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Re: Help(brown-purple spore print) PICS [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1836020 - 08/21/03 01:30 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

There are 2 websites I found that list it as a psychoactive. Magic Mushroom.net (Stropharia semiglobata [psi] [mkw])this is how they list it. and at sporeworks.com it is listed as one as well. Who is right?!?

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