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Growing whilst renting - is it worth the risk?
    #18278644 - 05/17/13 12:37 PM (11 years, 4 days ago)

Ok, so for a long time now, I've been fighting the urge to start growing cannabis. Now before anyone jumps to assumptions, let me set the record straight by stating that I'm not talking huge numbers. What I'm talking about is a couple plants to keep myself content and help prevent myself from having to pay out a fortune for mediocre weed from the local street dealers that overrun this place.

The thing is, my only concern and it is a concern is that I rent and don't actually own the flat that I'm staying in. Now I've been living here for well over nine to ten months and not once has either the owner of the flat or even the letting agency bothered to pop in to make sure everything is fine and well. As each day goes by, the more I'm starting to think that as long as I'm paying my bills on time, I won't see either of them. Is this the wrong assumption to make? If you were in my shoes, would you consider it or is it just not worth the risk? Or do you think I should lay off until I get my own place before I consider anything of the sort?

I'm really just looking for your opinion on the matter. I'm not rushing into this, all I want to do is find ask the question and see what you guys have to say on the matter.

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Re: Growing whilst renting - is it worth the risk? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18278804 - 05/17/13 01:12 PM (11 years, 4 days ago)

Hey man, I was in the exact situation 6 months ago. I was an outdoor grower living on a farm but I moved to a city for school, I couldnt give up my passion for growing cannabis so Ive moved on to indoor in my rented apartment. But my landlord actually does come down to visit from time to time. I rent a basement btw not like a condo or whatever so my landlord lives upstairs, he is gone the better part of the week and his wife is injured and cant use the stairs, so I only need worry about him coming down for whatever reason. But in the lease it states he cant enter the basement apartment without written permission and 24 hours notice which he must give to me in person. So if shit hits the fan I will have 24 hours to clean up the evidence.

So heres how I do it. Mini fridge. Buy a broken one on your local classifieds and gut it.

Then go to your local hardware store and buy 5  light fixtures, and 10 feet of proper wire and a plug fixture for the ed of that. Also get some screws and 2 inline duct fans, 4 inch is perfect.

I cant post a detailed description of how to gut and rebuild the mini fridge becuse I didnt take progress photos while building it, but Ill link you to the post all about it.

http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/661785

The plant you see being scrogged in the picture was 4 weeks old when that pic was taken, it was later taken care of my bro while I was out of town for a week, I left overly detailed, daily instructions for him and he still fucked up, when I got home it had lost 90 percent of its leaves and then died 2 days later. I still cant figure out wtf he did to it to kill it in a week.. pissed on it?

Seriously, I have 2 auto flowers in the mini fridge atm and my landlord came in to do something with wires in my kitchen ceiling, which is obviously where my mini fridge is, and he didnt notice or smell anything. His only comment pertaining to the fridge was, "what the fridge that was here wasnt big enough?" lol. I just told him I buy 2 or 3 cases of beer at a time and I cant fit groceries and beer in the other fridge. But sorry I lost the key and cant get in the mini fridge for the beer :P The only downside? unless you know how to grow scrog properly, its dam near a must that you grow auto flowers, not only do you not want to wait minimum 12 weeks between harvests, but not having to tie down or scrog is amazing. The biggest my plants can get is 2 feet before their too close to the lights.

Mini fridge. Hardware store. Auto flower. Boo yah.


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Re: Growing whilst renting - is it worth the risk? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18278876 - 05/17/13 01:31 PM (11 years, 4 days ago)

I was in your shoes and I did decide to grow.  But the landlord was cool.  Probably not THAT cool, but what he doesn't know won't hurt him and I knew he wouldn't be trying to look for stuff he didn't want to know about.

That said, a weed grow stinks to high heaven and will put out enough humidity to fog up your windows.  Even with ozone, carbon filters, good ventilation, good construction, and a good system for dealing with the air before it gets out, you are taking a huge risk.

Most states, and I think federal law, has the same penalty for 1-49 plants, then much more major penalties for 50+ and 100+.  So if you grow one you might as well grow 49.

In the end it was NOT worth the constant fear and seclusion near the end when the whole apartment reeked of weed.

Better decide if you can go a few weeks to a month without opening your door or having any company.

Landlords did come into my place several times with basically no notice.  Once for a water heater leak and once for a toilet leak.

One time I came home to find my place surrounded by cops.  I kept driving and frantically called some friends.  I found out that the neighbor had shot himself in the head.  When I went home the cops right away wanted to come into my place.  The dumb fuck had sat against the other side of the wall from my bedroom and blown his brains out!  The bullet went straight into my room and the cops wanted to get the bullet for evidence.

This was after my grow, but I'm sure I still had plenty of illegal stuff around.  I told them my GF was out of town and wouldn't like strangers poking around in her personal stuff.  The cop told me he just wanted the bullet and would be in and out.  I escorted him in (told them only one cop so they wouldn't get nosy) and he took a few pictures and dug the bullet out of my dresser.

In any case, those stories are examples of how you can get screwed since you can't always control when people might need to come into your place.

If you had a grow going it could be disaster.  The landlord could also want to show the place and give you notice.  WTF would you do with two weeks notice and a massive grow going?

Just some things to think about.  I'm not saying it can't be done successfully, but consider all the angles.  If you're home all the time it's easier, but if the pipes leak when you're gone your pretty fucked.  Even if you're home and don't have a main water shut-off you're still fucked.  Fires or leaks in other apartments around you can also cause the same problem.

OTOH if you're home all the time it is nerve-racking to have to sit there with unknown people knocking at the door knowing that you can't open it or the smell will blow them over.

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Re: Growing whilst renting - is it worth the risk? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #18279176 - 05/17/13 02:47 PM (11 years, 4 days ago)

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I was in your shoes and I did decide to grow.  But the landlord was cool.  Probably not THAT cool, but what he doesn't know won't hurt him and I knew he wouldn't be trying to look for stuff he didn't want to know about.

That said, a weed grow stinks to high heaven and will put out enough humidity to fog up your windows.  Even with ozone, carbon filters, good ventilation, good construction, and a good system for dealing with the air before it gets out, you are taking a huge risk.

Most states, and I think federal law, has the same penalty for 1-49 plants, then much more major penalties for 50+ and 100+.  So if you grow one you might as well grow 49.

In the end it was NOT worth the constant fear and seclusion near the end when the whole apartment reeked of weed.

Better decide if you can go a few weeks to a month without opening your door or having any company.

Landlords did come into my place several times with basically no notice.  Once for a water heater leak and once for a toilet leak.

One time I came home to find my place surrounded by cops.  I kept driving and frantically called some friends.  I found out that the neighbor had shot himself in the head.  When I went home the cops right away wanted to come into my place.  The dumb fuck had sat against the other side of the wall from my bedroom and blown his brains out!  The bullet went straight into my room and the cops wanted to get the bullet for evidence.

This was after my grow, but I'm sure I still had plenty of illegal stuff around.  I told them my GF was out of town and wouldn't like strangers poking around in her personal stuff.  The cop told me he just wanted the bullet and would be in and out.  I escorted him in (told them only one cop so they wouldn't get nosy) and he took a few pictures and dug the bullet out of my dresser.

In any case, those stories are examples of how you can get screwed since you can't always control when people might need to come into your place.

If you had a grow going it could be disaster.  The landlord could also want to show the place and give you notice.  WTF would you do with two weeks notice and a massive grow going?

Just some things to think about.  I'm not saying it can't be done successfully, but consider all the angles.  If you're home all the time it's easier, but if the pipes leak when you're gone your pretty fucked.  Even if you're home and don't have a main water shut-off you're still fucked.  Fires or leaks in other apartments around you can also cause the same problem.

OTOH if you're home all the time it is nerve-racking to have to sit there with unknown people knocking at the door knowing that you can't open it or the smell will blow them over.




Yes or that could happen. Holy fuck dude, a bullet went through your neighbors head, through your wall and embeded in your dresser? Thats creepy as fuck! Do you still sleep in that room? Do you still have the dresser? Wicked cool story I guess.

And im in canada. If I get caught growing 2 plants its maximum 3 years in prison but most likely just a $5000 fine nd some comunity service. If they could gather evidence suggesting my grow was being sold then thats a different story, but if you get booked growing 2 plants in a mini fridge you can easily prove it was just for personel use.

Is mary j schedule 1 in the states? :frown: cuz that would suck for you man if you did get caught. Its only schedule 2 in canada and is very poorly controlled in most places. In september you can smell it in the fields eveywhere while you drive :smile: Or maybe thats just where I live, but everywhere I go in canada its the same thing, mosquitos and outdoor pot, lots of both.


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Re: Growing whilst renting - is it worth the risk? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18279647 - 05/17/13 04:36 PM (11 years, 4 days ago)

If you are going to do it, change the locks on your house so the landlord can't just walk in.  Better to get a pissed off call from the landlord than to come home to the police.

Also put a locking door on the room where you are growing, and keep it locked all the time when you aren't home.

In many states growing a few plants is a misdemeanor and growing more than a few is a felony.  Knowing the law might help you decide how many plants to keep around.

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Re: Growing whilst renting - is it worth the risk? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18279886 - 05/17/13 05:38 PM (11 years, 4 days ago)

Thanks very much for the informative responses guys. To play it safe, what I'll do is spend a little more time thinking it through before making any rash decisions. The thought of the landlord popping by out of the blue to check up on the apartment is weighing heavily on my mind. If that seems to be the case already then I can only imagine what it'll be like in the middle of a grow.

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Re: Growing whilst renting - is it worth the risk? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18279978 - 05/17/13 05:58 PM (11 years, 4 days ago)

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24 hours notice for me to get rid of everything




I havent had to hide my shit and cover my tracks yet but heres my escape plan:

I grow in a mini fridge, I can fit two mature plants in it. I went to a hardware store during clearance sales, I got a waterproof safe (waterproof means airtight). The safe is plenty big enough to hide any plants that i can grow in the minifridge so if I get a notice of intent to enter premise, I simply remove my plants from mini fridge, and safely lock them in the safe. I then put a few house plants in the minifridge and voila, I grow begonias indoors. Kinda wierd that I went to such lengths to do so, but not illegal. Pretty sure a warrant would be needed to search your safe. Which your landlord cant get. And if someone (police) manage to get a warrant, then your already fucked and no amount of hiding or toilet flushing is going to help.


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Re: Growing whilst renting - is it worth the risk? [Re: Zombi3]
    #18282161 - 05/18/13 02:51 AM (11 years, 3 days ago)

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Pretty sure a warrant would be needed to search your safe. Which your landlord cant get. And if someone (police) manage to get a warrant, then your already fucked and no amount of hiding or toilet flushing is going to help.




A warrant is almost always required to enter your house.  Barring some sort of problem that threatens their property, they usually have to give you notice.  And I think their recourse would be pretty limited if you simply refused to let them in.  The best they could probably do is start the eviction process.

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If you are going to do it, change the locks on your house so the landlord can't just walk in.  Better to get a pissed off call from the landlord than to come home to the police.




Pretty unlikely that you'll ever hear from the landlord about changed locks.  Unless it's a different model or an obvious change they would be admitting to attempting illegal entry on your home.

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Holy fuck dude, a bullet went through your neighbors head, through your wall and embeded in your dresser? Thats creepy as fuck! Do you still sleep in that room? Do you still have the dresser? Wicked cool story I guess.




Yep.  That fool just had to tip his head back and put the gun in his mouth against the other side of my bedroom wall.  I always heard him playing the really sad kind of country music, so it seems like he was pretty troubled for some time.  Only met him once or twice, but he was a sad wannabe cowboy type.

The landlord wanted to come in and fix the bullet hole, but I told him I'd do it.  Didn't need any more people poking around.  Turns out I underestimated my laziness since what I ended up doing was just taping a piece of paper over the hole.

I think I still have the dresser somewhere.  After thinking about it I wish I had said no to the cops so I could have kept the bullet as a souvenir.  All I got out of the whole deal was a lot of stress.

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Re: Growing whilst renting - is it worth the risk? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #18346075 - 05/30/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Put it in perspective like this... if you don't smoke that much or that often, it might be better just to buy an ounce whenever you're out rather than risking possible imprisonment or a criminal record just so you can grow a small amount of personal stash. Just my thoughts.


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    #18355319 - 06/01/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Its less of a risk than growing while owning. You won't get your house confiscated.

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