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Steve Ignorant
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gushtunkinflupped said: Rue has basically the same beta carbolines in it as caapi...There is no reason why rue cannot fully activate dmt/chacruna/mimosa/whatever.
The operative word being "basically". Does Rue work? You bet. Is the oral experience qualitatively the same as caapi? No way.
The percentages of harmine and harmaline are not identical in the two plant sources, and (I have no idea what they may be) but there is something in caapi that makes the underlying background sensorium calmer, more sedate, and lowers anxiety. Against this background, the DMT can put on a lovely, well synergized show. The caapi just seems to be the ideal enabler.
Rue, in my experience, is much more jangly, jumpy and irritating. You have to put up with it as an MAOI rather than welcoming it. It also tends to turn the stomach more. I (at least) never get that with caapi. Hence, I recommend folks utilize caapi when dosing DMT orally. If your experience is different, I'd love to hear about it. All data points count!
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Re: Pharmahuasca tonight! [Re: Nature Boy]
#18263013 - 05/14/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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So OP how was it?!!?!?
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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SleepyE
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falsereality said: Good luck man .
Let us know you are ok in a bit!
sure thing 
11:23pm :
definitely feeling body load. hopefully it explodes to something good.
11:34pm feeling psychedelic body lody, brightening of faint patterns in vision and perception change.
dude, go lay down in the dark...you go way deeper into the space that way than you would sitting on a computer
yeah i went to my bed and layed down then i went to fucking TENSE places.
literally i was watching the big bang happen before my eyes.
when i closed my eyes, i focused my attention to the side corner of my blank vision and saw what looked like a doorway from some next dimension linked into this one; and there was these strange humanoid entities that kind of looked like chess pieces i was seeing massive pawn bishops.
This doorway to other dimensions felt like it merged into this reality.
and things got weird i was getting paranoid that everyone in my house was awake because i thought i was hearing footsteps at like 5am.
i was scared to look because for some reason i thought my dad dressed in a clown suite and was waiting for me to check out the noise then would jump out of nowhere and try to scare me.
this made absolutely no sense because no one im my house like to dress up like a clown and try to scare someone at night.
i had the feeling that almost everyone in the world is contact with the 'beings' in these alternate states and purposely fucking wih my head as a joke for me to find something out.
i seriously thought i was going to see entities on this wave length of existence beam into my room.
their DEFINITELY was interdimensional aliens.
i was seeing fucking cities.
that was a fucking intense pharmahuasca trip, at times a tad bit overwhelming even for my standards but nothing unmanageable.
i can definitely see that experience scare the SHIT out of someone else though who's not as well versed with these states.
i havent had a pharmahuasca trip like that in TIME or in general. very pleased.
definitely more intense then a heavy 4-aco-dmt trip and maybe on par with 4-acohuasca which was unexpected.
and the syrian rue work flawlessly this time
i just took more and ground it to hell and a half.
thanks for all the good vibes sent my way.
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Quest_ions said: So OP how was it?!!?!?
aweeesomme! 
thanks for askin  
i could barely see things when i went to the washrooms.
everything was morphing HEAVILY.
it was like my body was made out of liquid jello
and when i was lying in bed i felt like i could stretch my nostril hole on my nose over my head LOL and was trying to and i one point i thought i was getting close
i was experiencing cymatics at play.
my body become what seems like just energy.
i felt like gangare from pokemon.
everything took a higher vibrational form and higher complexity in its representation.
Edited by SleepyE (05/14/13 11:14 AM)
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Pharmahuasca tonight! [Re: SleepyE]
#18263339 - 05/14/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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How long did it last? How comparable is too ayahuasca? Check your PM man
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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SleepyE
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it was like 8 hours i think
and i havent done ayahuasca just pharmahuasca.
the thought of drinking mimosa bark makes me gag. 
but id say its like an extremely intense mushroom trip.
so like 10g of mushrooms.
at the beginning i completely lost my body.
there was lots of flash backs to my earily mushroom trips, i got the impression that my first true ego death that i wrote about as my SHROOMS report in my signature.
it was saying i actually died and that experienced fused my essence of being inbetween this world and multi dimensional worlds.
some sort of intermediary.
no wonder after that shroom ego death trip i was suddenly able to draw god-like dmt scenories like it was nothing.
------------------------ (Ps.it was so easy for me i thought everyone had this ability once they take psychedelic so i strangely didn't even consider it all that special but deep down i knew something didn't make sense on why i was able to do this stuff. this i guess is when the denial set in.) ------------------------ back to the trip,
my consciousness was like a pin ball that went down some slot and got launched into pure everythingness, a vast space that encompassed all of possible existence. i was floating on a cloud of endless possibilities.
and it was all about who in my generation will have that experience first and who gets the responsibility. and for some odd chance i reached it first. and the mark on my hand was some sort of paradox which already confirmed that this happened and somehow the future was able to manipulate the past to make this a reality and unfold in this set script or story line.
an ordered-chaotic sequence of unexpected events.
so my whole head was some sort of super server that holds all of reality.
so everyone is a program contained in a virtual server my mind has held up and projected. including the experience that is myself and my awareness. its a virtual ego of something that happened long ago and will continue to happen until the rest of time which is endless.
Edited by SleepyE (05/14/13 12:51 PM)
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Psilosomniac
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Re: Pharmahuasca tonight! [Re: Nature Boy]
#18263769 - 05/14/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: The percentages of harmine and harmaline are not identical in the two plant sources, and (I have no idea what they may be) but there is something in caapi that makes the underlying background sensorium calmer, more sedate, and lowers anxiety. Against this background, the DMT can put on a lovely, well synergized show. The caapi just seems to be the ideal enabler.
Caapi has about a 10:1 ratio of Harmine as Harmaline, whereas Syrian Rue has anywhere from a 2:1 to about 4:5. Syrian Rue also has a negligible amount of THH while Caapi can have nearly a 3:1 ratio of Harmine to THH. I'm willing to bet these differences in beta-carboline ratios account for the differences you're describing. Harmaline is said to be a much more potent MAOI (about half as much is needed to activate oral DMT) and more sedating than harmine.
I've got a 10x Syrian Rue extract that I've taken orally (but not with DMT yet), and it didn't produce significant nausea. The dose wasn't all that high, though, so that might be part of it
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SleepyE
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i have found syrian rue to be very pleasing at the right dose.
many time overwhelming.
i remember smoking dmt after i ate 4g of rue and i almost puked because the trip was so visuals and body intense.
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Re: Pharmahuasca tonight! [Re: SleepyE]
#18267955 - 05/15/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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SleepyE said: it was like 8 hours i think
and i havent done ayahuasca just pharmahuasca.
the thought of drinking mimosa bark makes me gag. 
but id say its like an extremely intense mushroom trip.
so like 10g of mushrooms.
at the beginning i completely lost my body.
there was lots of flash backs to my earily mushroom trips, i got the impression that my first true ego death that i wrote about as my SHROOMS report in my signature.
it was saying i actually died and that experienced fused my essence of being inbetween this world and multi dimensional worlds.
some sort of intermediary.
no wonder after that shroom ego death trip i was suddenly able to draw god-like dmt scenories like it was nothing.
------------------------ (Ps.it was so easy for me i thought everyone had this ability once they take psychedelic so i strangely didn't even consider it all that special but deep down i knew something didn't make sense on why i was able to do this stuff. this i guess is when the denial set in.) ------------------------ back to the trip,
my consciousness was like a pin ball that went down some slot and got launched into pure everythingness, a vast space that encompassed all of possible existence. i was floating on a cloud of endless possibilities.
and it was all about who in my generation will have that experience first and who gets the responsibility. and for some odd chance i reached it first. and the mark on my hand was some sort of paradox which already confirmed that this happened and somehow the future was able to manipulate the past to make this a reality and unfold in this set script or story line.
an ordered-chaotic sequence of unexpected events.
so my whole head was some sort of super server that holds all of reality.
so everyone is a program contained in a virtual server my mind has held up and projected. including the experience that is myself and my awareness. its a virtual ego of something that happened long ago and will continue to happen until the rest of time which is endless.
Wow sounds like a trip to remember! The more I trip the more I seem to think that all of consciousness is contained in some supercomputer operating system and that it is oincontrol, not us. I feel like compared to the machine, im nothing. Its databasis knows everything about me and it can make me do anything it wants. I feel like the machine is on the highest frequency and we are all a moment behind. Its the cutting edge of experience and everything is processed through its database.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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SleepyE
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Quest_ions said:
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SleepyE said: it was like 8 hours i think
and i havent done ayahuasca just pharmahuasca.
the thought of drinking mimosa bark makes me gag. 
but id say its like an extremely intense mushroom trip.
so like 10g of mushrooms.
at the beginning i completely lost my body.
there was lots of flash backs to my earily mushroom trips, i got the impression that my first true ego death that i wrote about as my SHROOMS report in my signature.
it was saying i actually died and that experienced fused my essence of being inbetween this world and multi dimensional worlds.
some sort of intermediary.
no wonder after that shroom ego death trip i was suddenly able to draw god-like dmt scenories like it was nothing.
------------------------ (Ps.it was so easy for me i thought everyone had this ability once they take psychedelic so i strangely didn't even consider it all that special but deep down i knew something didn't make sense on why i was able to do this stuff. this i guess is when the denial set in.) ------------------------ back to the trip,
my consciousness was like a pin ball that went down some slot and got launched into pure everythingness, a vast space that encompassed all of possible existence. i was floating on a cloud of endless possibilities.
and it was all about who in my generation will have that experience first and who gets the responsibility. and for some odd chance i reached it first. and the mark on my hand was some sort of paradox which already confirmed that this happened and somehow the future was able to manipulate the past to make this a reality and unfold in this set script or story line.
an ordered-chaotic sequence of unexpected events.
so my whole head was some sort of super server that holds all of reality.
so everyone is a program contained in a virtual server my mind has held up and projected. including the experience that is myself and my awareness. its a virtual ego of something that happened long ago and will continue to happen until the rest of time which is endless.
Wow sounds like a trip to remember! The more I trip the more I seem to think that all of consciousness is contained in some supercomputer operating system and that it is oincontrol, not us. I feel like compared to the machine, im nothing. Its databasis knows everything about me and it can make me do anything it wants. I feel like the machine is on the highest frequency and we are all a moment behind. Its the cutting edge of experience and everything is processed through its database.

interesting perspective. 
thanks for sharing!
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Re: Pharmahuasca tonight! [Re: SleepyE]
#18271227 - 05/15/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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im thinking about dosing pharmahuasca again tonight.
same dose.
there are voices calling me into the void :P
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