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 Re: Respecting all spiritual beliefs  [Re: Phluck]
#1825737 - 08/18/03 10:59 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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My point is that sometimes you experience something so real and so profound that all the logic and skepticism in the world can't shake your belief in it. I'm well aware that just because I've felt the oneness of the universe doesn't mean it's real. However, I haven't seen anyone prove me wrong on that either. Need I demonstrate the fact that even to believe in science requires a leap of faith? Any model of the universe requires some foundation, and that foundation always requires faith at some point.
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 Phluck
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Re: Respecting all spiritual beliefs [Re: silversoul7]
#1825766 - 08/18/03 11:08 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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"My point is that sometimes you experience something so real and so profound that all the logic and skepticism in the world can't shake your belief in it."
I don't doubt that at all. A really, really good illusion is still an illusion though.
"Need I demonstrate the fact that even to believe in science requires a leap of faith?"
Yes, to wholeheartedly believe in all of the most popular scientific data takes a leap of faith, but it would also make you a very poor scientist. What most "believers" here fail to realize is that science is not a set of information. It is a system of analysis. Any decent scientist is prepared to abandon his theories as soon as they are shown to be incorrect, or logically unsound. A theory does not hold any ground unless there is a basis for it.
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Re: Respecting all spiritual beliefs [Re: Phluck]
#1825829 - 08/18/03 11:27 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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My point about science is that you have to assume that the laws of science apply universally. If you drop a ball from a rooftop 1,000 times and it falls to the ground 1,000 times, you assume that the next time you drop it, it will fall to the ground. But how do you know it will? Just because it's happened every time before doesn't mean that the next time it won't fly into the air.
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Re: Respecting all spiritual beliefs [Re: silversoul7]
#1825835 - 08/18/03 11:29 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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^^^^
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Phluck
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Re: Respecting all spiritual beliefs [Re: silversoul7]
#1825861 - 08/18/03 11:36 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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If a scientist dropped the ball, and it flew up into the air, he would immediately try to figure out why that happened. The "law of gravity" would immediately be downgraded to the "theory of gravity".
There is some pretty good evidence that balls will fall from rooftops everytime. We have a lot of documentation and observation backing this up.
As far as us "all being one", we have a bunch of people who say that this feels correct. Not even the slightest shred of evidence.
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Re: Respecting all spiritual beliefs [Re: DoctorJ]
#1825877 - 08/18/03 11:39 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Patterns are funny, as the fact that the next number in the pattern will be the same as the ones before that is a prediction, not a truth. There is always that next number....
Perhaps the problem here is trying to find truth in chaos? Pure, unregulated chaos... just because something holds true for one second or five billion years doesn't mean it will always hold true..
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Re: Respecting all spiritual beliefs [Re: fireworks_god]
#1826598 - 08/18/03 01:59 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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. . .and continuing in the "scientist" mode, one could draw up possibilities as to why your experience(s) can't be broken down by science, logic, etc. Tying in another thread, thats why it's all about flow, energy. While you maintain that say, science of the universe, atoms, etc can't explain what you perceived, science of the mind(psychology), of the culture(sociology), etc help lend insight as to WHY you had that experience and why you are concluding what you do. I'm not saying your "wrong", hahah wrong, but that everything is connected, and because of that there may be, or is, an explanation for your conclusion(s). peace!
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