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Re: Slavoj Zizek: Love is EVIL, Or is it? [Re: hTx]
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are you a dark magician a light magician or a missing magician? perhaps a maybe magician lolol
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Re: Slavoj Zizek: Love is EVIL, Or is it? [Re: hTx]
#18254906 - 05/12/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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magician magician magician magician. kind of loses its meanimg huh but still represents working with information.
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Re: Slavoj Zizek: Love is EVIL, Or is it? [Re: kennedy]
#18255875 - 05/13/13 01:45 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good and evil are human concepts, not driving essences
any "driving essence" would also be a human concept
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Re: Slavoj Zizek: Love is EVIL, Or is it? [Re: blingbling]
#18255936 - 05/13/13 02:20 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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blingbling said: Good and evil are human concepts, not driving essences
any "driving essence" would also be a human concept 
Not necessarily, I meant that in the sense of a force of nature or something. There could be an unknown and unnamed force.
I just meant that good and evil are forms of human valuation, not essences that exist on their own.
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Re: Slavoj Zizek: Love is EVIL, Or is it? [Re: kennedy]
#18256037 - 05/13/13 03:07 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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maybe the duality that is represented by good and evil is your "force of nature", or maybe not...
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Re: Slavoj Zizek: Love is EVIL, Or is it? [Re: Memories]
#18256058 - 05/13/13 03:15 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Memories said: But isn't value only found in the imbalance? How could a universe in homeostasis be of any value?
Exactly the point! "Unity" and "peace" (ie, the lack of conflict) are not only impossible, but undesirable.
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Re: Slavoj Zizek: Love is EVIL, Or is it? [Re: MarcusXL]
#18256071 - 05/13/13 03:24 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Or, to put it another way: We are living in the margins of a cosmic mistake, a cosmic catastrophe; so don't wish for peace, because that Peace is coming no matter what (when we return to the balanced nothingness from whence we came) and it will annihilate you.
Meanwhile, the only chance for creativity or understanding is within this chaotic, spiraling cloud of physical laws. As Mao Zedung said, "There is great disorder under Heaven; the situation is excellent."
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Re: Slavoj Zizek: Love is EVIL, Or is it? [Re: MarcusXL]
#18256109 - 05/13/13 03:50 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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aye! indeed. the game is being played out as it should. five shrooms for you good sir. i wouldnt call it a mistake..maybe boredom.
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Re: Slavoj Zizek: Love is EVIL, Or is it? [Re: Icelander]
#18256560 - 05/13/13 07:06 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Icelander said: "Depression is the Mother of Philosophy"-Icelander.
Nice.
I really don't like to quote books and such, but this fits just perfectly concerning Zizek. This excerpt from Alan Watts perfectly describes how I feel towards such concept juggling and fetishising of existential depression. I don't think you'll find this on the internet that easily, so digest with joy wether you agree or not. I know it's a long text, but it's worth the read if you want to get some interesting perspective on this topic:
"[...] To many people it was therefore an immense relief when western thinkers began to question this image and to assert that this hypothesis of god was in no help of describing or predicting the course of nature. If everything, they said, is the creation and operation of God, the statement had no more logic in it than 'everything is up'. But as so often happens that when one tyrant is dethroned, a worse one takes his place. The crackpot myth was retained without the potter. The world was still understood as an artefact, but on the model of an automatic machine. The laws of nature were still there, but no lawmaker. According to the deists, the lord had made this machine and set it going, but then went to sleep or on off a vacation.
But according to the atheists, naturalists and agnostics, the world was fully automatic. It had constructed itself, though not on purpose. The stuff of matter was supposed to consist of atoms like minute billard balls as to allow no further division or analysis. Allow these atoms to wiggle around in various permutations and combinations for an indefinitely long time and in some time, in virtually infinite time, they will fall into the arrangement that we now have as the world. The old story of the monkeys and the typewriters. In this fully automatic model of the universe shape and stuff survived as energy and matter. Human beings, mind and matte included, were parts of the system and thus they were possessed of intelligence and feelings as a consequence of the same interminable girations of atoms.
BUT. The trouble about monkeys with typewriters is that when at last they get around to typing the Encyclopaedia Britannica, they may, at any moment, relapse into gibberish. Therefore, if human beings want to maintain their flukey status and order, they must work with full fury to defeat the merely random processes of nature. It must be strongly emphasised in this myth that matter is brute and energy blind. That all nature outside human and some animal skins is a profoundly stupid and insensitive mechanism. Those who continue to believe in 'someone up there who cares' were ridiculed as woolly-minded wishful thinkers, poor thinkers unable face our grim predicament in a heartless universe where survival is the sole privilege of the tough guys. If the all too intelligent god was disconcerting, relief in getting rid of him was short-lived. He was replaced by the cosmic idiot. And people began to feel more estranged from the universe than ever.
This situation merely enforced the illusion of the loneliness and the separateness of the ego, now a mental mechanism. And people calling themselves naturalists began the biggest war on nature ever waged."
I am not a fan of the almighty god perception. But this is exactly how I've always felt towards these philosophical/scientific fetishists when they'd preach on their end, though I never knew how to adequately express it. When I came across these thoughts I was so giddy and happy that it could at all be put into words.
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the universe is still impersonal even if newtonian physics is not the the be all, to end all, of natural laws
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