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bad trips are self indulgent and childish ?
    #18229778 - 05/07/13 09:59 PM (11 years, 21 days ago)

have you ever realized how illogical it is to feel fear during a trip ?
compared to being in a near death experience like a high speed motorcycle crash or the moment before you pull open your parachute wondering if it will open or not ?
whats your take on it ?


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: atomicshaman]
    #18229791 - 05/07/13 10:01 PM (11 years, 21 days ago)

Sometimes the psychedelic experience can be downright scary. I think that's just how it is man, and I think it's good to sometimes experience extreme fear. I am going to have to say that I do not find it selfish.


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: CaliDreaming]
    #18229808 - 05/07/13 10:05 PM (11 years, 21 days ago)

but it is rather odd that a bad trip can induce more fear and shock than an actual near death experience .


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: atomicshaman]
    #18229835 - 05/07/13 10:09 PM (11 years, 21 days ago)

In a near death experience you probably don't have the time to feel fear or shock but in a trip you're just sitting on your ass knowingly taking a drug which fucks with your head....the fear may be illogical but that doesn't mean it's going to stop happening once you've realized it. Tell that to people with PTSD.

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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #18229879 - 05/07/13 10:16 PM (11 years, 21 days ago)

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In a near death experience you probably don't have the time to feel fear or shock but in a trip you're just sitting on your ass knowingly taking a drug which fucks with your head....the fear may be illogical but that doesn't mean it's going to stop happening once you've realized it. Tell that to people with PTSD.




Seriously.

I don't understand how the idea of fear with no 'real' danger is illogical. I am a firm believer that the thing we should fear the most is our own minds, especially if we are under the influence of something that is truly unpredictable.

OP seems a bit arrogant, but that just might be me.

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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #18229900 - 05/07/13 10:20 PM (11 years, 21 days ago)

Mindfuck happens on powerful psychedelics, the fear is quite real when you're tripping. I have been within feet of being smashed by an oncoming train with a friend, barely jumped out of the way in time. Had an attempted murder of me and another friend at 1am at night, random car full of people turned off their lights and barreled down on us, had to push a friend out of the way and jump away myself. THen they backed up and tried again several times until I bashed out there car windows, then they threw it in reverse and smashed up a bunch cars trying to escape.. While both weren't exactly fun, they didn't compare to any of seriously the bad trips i've had. Which were far worse and more traumatic (was a bit timid after a few epic bad trips for a week or two).

The one trip where I thought i was dying and had an out of body experience and could describe what every did that night, despite being face down, and unable to move, was pretty frighting, it's also still memorable to this day.

If your theory is that its selfish or indulgent, then you disgust me OP.

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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #18229938 - 05/07/13 10:26 PM (11 years, 21 days ago)

It's definitely illogical, but unfortunately knowing this doesn't seem to make it stop. The first time I mixed cannabis with mushrooms I had one of the worst experience I've ever had, and there was simply no way out of it.

Changing the environment, music, etc. Nothing would work, it was simply how my brain chemistry was working at the time and I had to wait it out.
So no, it's not indulgent, selfish, or childish necessarily.


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: BleakBeat]
    #18230022 - 05/07/13 10:39 PM (11 years, 21 days ago)

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ohcrapitsnico said:
In a near death experience you probably don't have the time to feel fear or shock but in a trip you're just sitting on your ass knowingly taking a drug which fucks with your head....the fear may be illogical but that doesn't mean it's going to stop happening once you've realized it. Tell that to people with PTSD.




Seriously.

I don't understand how the idea of fear with no 'real' danger is illogical. I am a firm believer that the thing we should fear the most is our own minds, especially if we are under the influence of something that is truly unpredictable.

OP seems a bit arrogant, but that just might be me.

:thataintright:




didnt mean to seem arrogant or trolly as i have had some bad trips myself but looking back on them i feel like an alpha pussy :grin:


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #18230042 - 05/07/13 10:42 PM (11 years, 21 days ago)

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If your theory is that its selfish or indulgent, then you disgust me OP.




well then , youre very easily disgusted :grin:


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: atomicshaman]
    #18230080 - 05/07/13 10:49 PM (11 years, 21 days ago)

Not really.

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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: atomicshaman]
    #18230107 - 05/07/13 10:55 PM (11 years, 21 days ago)

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but it is rather odd that a bad trip can induce more fear and shock than an actual near death experience .




Odd or not, it can be. :cannotunsee:

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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: BleakBeat]
    #18230163 - 05/07/13 11:07 PM (11 years, 21 days ago)

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ohcrapitsnico said:
In a near death experience you probably don't have the time to feel fear or shock but in a trip you're just sitting on your ass knowingly taking a drug which fucks with your head....the fear may be illogical but that doesn't mean it's going to stop happening once you've realized it. Tell that to people with PTSD.




Seriously.

I don't understand how the idea of fear with no 'real' danger is illogical. I am a firm believer that the thing we should fear the most is our own minds, especially if we are under the influence of something that is truly unpredictable.

OP seems a bit arrogant, but that just might be me.

:thataintright:




Once you get a bad trip you don't know there is no danger

So fear of death feels pretty real, fear of the trip feels real too :smile:

Just go into the trip without fear, face the fear directly, if you feel weird let the weirdness take over, if you feel like dieing accept death :P

It is very hard to escape a mushroom thought loop/bad trip, almost impossible often, but most people get bad trips and don't have problems from it (have had 3 mushroom bad trips that lasted the whole trip)
Mostly good trips though

It is much easier to prevent it than cure it: set,setting,dose - then 90% can be prevented

LSD is easier for me, no bad trips except fear of dieing , but that isn't there when you learn to let go/accept death

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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: lessismore]
    #18230224 - 05/07/13 11:21 PM (11 years, 21 days ago)

It very simply is illogical. The only time i have had a little bit of fear and only a little is when i get really think mucos that i cant get out of my throat and mouth. Do any of you guys get a really thick mucos. This seems to be the only logical reason to have only a little bit of anxiety since it can get a little hard to breath at times. Fear is caused when you don't have control over your own logic and thoughts most of the time. I think alot of people may be uncomfortable during the trip for various reasons, maybe muscle tension, or having to urinate, or too hot ect.. and that anxiety turns to fear when you forget the original reason you had the anxiety. This actually happened to a friend of mind because he had to pee really bad and got anxiety but forgot he had to pee and got stuck in the haze of fright.


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: atomicshaman]
    #18230457 - 05/08/13 12:11 AM (11 years, 21 days ago)

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have you ever realized how illogical it is to feel fear during a trip ?
compared to being in a near death experience like a high speed motorcycle crash or the moment before you pull open your parachute wondering if it will open or not ?
whats your take on it ?




It's not illogical at all. Psychedelic fear is very logical.

When you're on a psychedelic all your skills, all your inhibitions, all your social understanding goes right out the window. While tripping your only a fleeting thought away from doing stupid, potentially life threatening shit like: jumping out a window thinking you can fly, taking off all your clothes and running around the street naked, calling your boss and telling him you're going to quit your job and live off peace and love, telling your best friend's wife what she should be with you not him.

If you bought the drug off the street there is also the very real possibility that you didn't actually take LSD, or whatever you thought it was, but in fact a research chemical.. perhaps one you're allergic to. Perhaps you were overdosed and are now dieing from vasoconstriction. Perhaps the drug wasn't a drug at all and the dealer wanted to kill you? This is completely possible and you were foolish for taking a substance you got off a stranger without getting it chemically tested, this is not delusion, this is reality and you actually did fuck up.

At least when you jump from a plane you can be 99% certain either your shoot or your backup will open. When you're riding a bike at least you are in control, up until the crash. You could prevent it.

With psychedelics you're pretty much at the whim of the drug and there's no going back. Anything could happen, much of it very, very bad and there's nothing you can do. You can't even explain yourself.

This is terrifying and it should be terrifying.


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: Dawks]
    #18230484 - 05/08/13 12:15 AM (11 years, 21 days ago)

when you are riding a motorbike you arent in control , you are at the mercy of the stupidity of the drivers around you .
i lost count how many times i have almost been killed by moron drivers.


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: atomicshaman]
    #18230506 - 05/08/13 12:20 AM (11 years, 21 days ago)

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when you are riding a motorbike you arent in control



Right... So you can't steer, brake, or accelerate with a motorcycle, good to know.

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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: SteelPanther]
    #18230513 - 05/08/13 12:22 AM (11 years, 21 days ago)

The feeling of fear can be very real to the point that you feel something truly dangerous is going to happen to you.

Just because you're not in any real physical danger, doesn't mean you don't think you are.

I believe bad trips are a recipe for PTSD if you aren't careful. I honestly believe I had slight PTSD from a trip that I'm still recovering from. A light dose of mushrooms the other night made me feel more calm and at peace with the bad trip. (That and good people to be around :smile: ) The trip happened a year ago and I've never experienced such intense anxiety until that trip. It has slowly but surely tapered off but (my anxiety)is still very present.

So, no, I don't think bad trips are self-indulgent or childish... depending on the trip, it's almost like going through a real war... a mental war... it can be very difficult and mentally scarring.  Unfortunately with things like this it's either be your own psychiatrist and evaluate your troubles and face them head on, or just stop tripping and get real help.

I'm a believer of option #1 :laugh:

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With psychedelics you're pretty much at the whim of the drug and there's no going back. Anything could happen, much of it very, very bad and there's nothing you can do. You can't even explain yourself.

This is terrifying and it should be terrifying.




Ain't that the fuckin' truth. I remember there was some guy on here who said that people who have bad trips are lying. That he's never had a bad trip and that he thinks it's impossible to have one.  What a laugh. :lolwut:

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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #18230522 - 05/08/13 12:26 AM (11 years, 21 days ago)

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when you are riding a motorbike you arent in control



Right... So you can't steer, brake, or accelerate with a motorcycle, good to know.




did someone piss in your coffee this morning ?
obviously you dont ride .


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: atomicshaman]
    #18230550 - 05/08/13 12:34 AM (11 years, 21 days ago)

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when you are riding a motorbike you arent in control



Right... So you can't steer, brake, or accelerate with a motorcycle, good to know.




did someone piss in your coffee this morning ?
obviously you dont ride .




Is this guy for real?

I think my original speculation of arrogance is becoming a very real idea.

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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: BleakBeat]
    #18230562 - 05/08/13 12:36 AM (11 years, 21 days ago)

mate , i would like to see if your reactions are fast enough to survive on two wheels .
riders are killed daily through no fault of their own.
piss off and stop jacking this thread !


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: atomicshaman]
    #18230637 - 05/08/13 12:57 AM (11 years, 21 days ago)

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mate , i would like to see if your reactions are fast enough to survive on two wheels .
riders are killed daily through no fault of their own.
piss off and stop jacking this thread !




My responses are all pertaining to the original idea of the thread. Of course most people on bikes who die are at fault for their own demise. It's called being reckless, while I know this isn't ALWAYS the case (obviously) you have seen many bikers and the way they drive their motorcycles. Many of them are reckless, drive at insane speeds and a lot of the time aren't even wearing anything to protect their body just in the event that something bad happens.

Your logic is seriously fucked and I think you know that too because you're just finding new things to argue about.
Saying that bikes are dangerous (while I am not disagreeing BUT) they can usually be safe in the hands of a RESPONSIBLE DRIVER, much like a drug user. Sure, drugs can be dangerous, but in the hands of a responsible and COHERENT user they're very safe and in fact can be quite therapeutic.

So how about you just let this thread die and 'piss off'.  :cheersyoufuck:

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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: atomicshaman] * 1
    #18230639 - 05/08/13 12:58 AM (11 years, 21 days ago)

If you know the drivers are bad and that riding is a extremely dangerous, often resulting in serious injuries, yet you still do it, who's the fool?

Nobody is jacking your thread, we're just replying to the increasingly absurd comments you keep making. If you don't like the responses i'd suggest you make some more intelligent comments.

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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: BleakBeat]
    #18230738 - 05/08/13 01:33 AM (11 years, 21 days ago)

no , your logic is fucked and you are a twit :rolleyes:


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #18230741 - 05/08/13 01:34 AM (11 years, 21 days ago)

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If you know the drivers are bad and that riding is a extremely dangerous, often resulting in serious injuries, yet you still do it, who's the fool?

Nobody is jacking your thread, we're just replying to the increasingly absurd comments you keep making. If you don't like the responses i'd suggest you make some more intelligent comments.




you sir are an argumentative jackass ! :goat:


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: atomicshaman]
    #18230797 - 05/08/13 02:03 AM (11 years, 21 days ago)


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: atomicshaman]
    #18231032 - 05/08/13 03:25 AM (11 years, 21 days ago)

I can see you've never had a truly bad trip before OP. I've had near death experiences plenty of times, ranging from good ol' bar fights to traffic accidents. But I tell you now, the fear you experience in a near death experience is absolutely nothing compared to a really bad trip.


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: BleakBeat]
    #18231068 - 05/08/13 03:37 AM (11 years, 21 days ago)

Disturbing trips are reactive; that being said, it isn't illogical.
Coming to think of trips that are absolutely train-wrecks, there is a primary dyad involved in the trip.. The first is the feeling of unrelieved terror that feels eternal and so surreal, that it begins to feel real. The essence of any trip can transcendentalize from what you feel is there, to actually being there.

A bad trip is just a very conceptual framework that causes shredding feelings of terror and anxiety because it can nearly always be described as a prolonged entrapment. There is nothing you can do besides slightly placating yourself (or someone placating you for that matter) but you must ride it out.

Whether illogical, childish, stupid or w/e may have you.. the essence of any trip can flare up feelings of wistfulness and amplify what you've never seen before. 

I don't know where you're getting at, what's your story? OP.


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: Sensanaty]
    #18231380 - 05/08/13 06:30 AM (11 years, 21 days ago)

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I can see you've never had a truly bad trip before OP. I've had near death experiences plenty of times, ranging from good ol' bar fights to traffic accidents. But I tell you now, the fear you experience in a near death experience is absolutely nothing compared to a really bad trip.




you cant see at all , i have experienced irrational fear on mushrooms more than once but logic tells you it cant compare to being shot at , drifting at sea , or any other real life horror/n.d.e you can imagine.
most of you dont believe in a god or eternal damnation of the soul so what can you really fear during a trip ?
its an illusion of imagination :wink:


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: atomicshaman]
    #18231388 - 05/08/13 06:36 AM (11 years, 21 days ago)

As I said, you haven't experienced the bad trips I've experienced, because those were fears beyond my wildest imaginations. There are things worse than death, certain things that make death look like a miracle. Even if it's just a figment of your imagination, who says it's not genuinely frightening to the bone?

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no , your logic is fucked and you are a twit :rolleyes:




Try argue without the ad hominem's, eh?


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: Sensanaty]
    #18231405 - 05/08/13 06:47 AM (11 years, 21 days ago)

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As I said, you haven't experienced the bad trips I've experienced, because those were fears beyond my wildest imaginations. There are things worse than death, certain things that make death look like a miracle. Even if it's just a figment of your imagination, who says it's not genuinely frightening to the bone?

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no , your logic is fucked and you are a twit :rolleyes:




Try argue without the ad hominem's, eh?




do you really want to turn your bad trips into a pissing contest with mine?:grin:


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: atomicshaman]
    #18231414 - 05/08/13 06:51 AM (11 years, 21 days ago)

I really don't care how bad your bad trips were, but the fear you experience is very much real, and it's never childish to be afraid of something. I know plenty of grown men who stand on bamboo scaffolding 20 meters in the air without any sort of safety equipment, and he just kinda does his job like that, but if he sees a spider smaller than the top of his finger, he shits his pants. There's nothing childish about fear. Fear is always real, and it is always be very bad on a person's mental health.

And it is very logical to get scared shitless while you're on any kind of psychedelics. It's a drug, it alters your state of mind in every conceivable way. A small phobia can be intensified 20 times if you're on drugs, or it can be dulled out 20 times. But there's nothing illogical, or childish about bad trips


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: Sensanaty]
    #18231430 - 05/08/13 07:00 AM (11 years, 20 days ago)

i didnt ask you to care , i just wanted you to know your bad trip was no more than mine .


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: atomicshaman]
    #18231718 - 05/08/13 09:20 AM (11 years, 20 days ago)

Atomic shaman, the title of is thread and OP argument are pretty damn rediculous

Your logic that "motorcycle drivers have no control at all" is even more retarded, and the fact you're trying to belittle those who argue against it i dont even have words for

Maybe youre trolling, maybe your drunk i dont know


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: atomicshaman]
    #18231724 - 05/08/13 09:23 AM (11 years, 20 days ago)

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atomicshaman said:
do you really want to turn your bad trips into a pissing contest with mine?:grin:



Quote:

atomicshaman said:
i didnt ask you to care , i just wanted you to know your bad trip was no more than mine .



out of all the posts in this thread theres only one i see that can make it sound like somebody is "trying to have a pissing contest"


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: Sheekle]
    #18231739 - 05/08/13 09:28 AM (11 years, 20 days ago)

i have had a couple of bad trips and a few scary ones, i really couldnt help it my mind was being raped by powerful substances and i had no controll but i do know i shouldnt be afraid


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #18231855 - 05/08/13 10:09 AM (11 years, 20 days ago)

Didn't read the whole thread.

Fear on psychedelics is IMPORTANT. In my opinion what psychedelics do is open you to ways of thinking that you have never experienced before. Extreme fear in my case has never been felt in the regular perception as it has under psychedelics (mushrooms in particular). DMT never gave me the fear, well it did but it lasted like 1 second and then the concept of ME was completely dead. It's hard to fear for one human when you literally encompass the entire cosmos, and THEN SOME. There is more than the universe and the only way to see this is on the heaviest of psychedelic experiences. And of couse something so different from regular perception is going to cause a little bit of fear for a bit.

Selfish? No... Why would you even say that... That makes no sense whatsoever.

Childish? Maybe in the sense that you are being reborn, and your ego is refreshed like a child.

Fear is necessary, it makes us appreciate comfort. And I have been just as comfortable on psychs as I have been scared. The fear is necessary here and there.

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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: BleakBeat]
    #18232361 - 05/08/13 12:13 PM (11 years, 20 days ago)

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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18232671 - 05/08/13 01:11 PM (11 years, 20 days ago)

Call it childish if you will but the most fear I have ever felt in my life was under the influence of some truly sinister NBOMe tabs.  My bad trip was scarier than crashing a car on the freeway going 80, rolling a four wheeler and fucking up my whole left side, and severing my achilles tendon.  Even while I was having the bad trip though I still knew it was all going to be over soon, it was just such intense overwhelming feelings that I really couldn't do anything to control it.  I didn't really understand bad trips till I had one, now they make perfect sense :wink:


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Re: bad trips are self indulgent and childish ? [Re: Lizard Eyes]
    #18233321 - 05/08/13 03:29 PM (11 years, 20 days ago)

I think when you're in a real life shit hits the fan situation adrenaline and other stuff produced in your body is released to help you strike through any fear for survival needs. Though the after math of a crazy event can be traumatic.


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