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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: thelanzii]
    #18221349 - 05/06/13 07:44 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

There are many buried in the forum. Most cultivators will vehimently scold you for using a microwave.

The most accepted way is a casing layer of 50% verm and 50% peat moss pasteurized at 150 Degrees F. for 1 hour.

I even saw one tech where the OP didnt pasteurize the casing at all. He just put a 1/4 inch layer of sterile sand between the casing and the cake.


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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: thelanzii]
    #18221810 - 05/06/13 10:51 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Nemmies said:
I dont have a microwave and do not really want to drop 50+ dollars on one.  Is there an alternative casing procedure you could provide me with?



You can find microwaves cheap at garage sales, thrift stores, the likes.

If you really did have to buy one new I wouldn't blame you for not doing so.
I hardly use a microwave for anything, even food. I'm not a fan.
However you'll need to use a proper pasteurization technique. You probably already have what you need for that - Stove, pot, jars/bags, thermometer, timer.


Many cultivators may indeed 'scold vehemently' for using a microwave, as malicom said.
There's no reason for this. They're usually just parroting old stigma leftover by the run away from negative stimuli.
This technique is the result of running towards positive stimuli instead, regardless of any old stigma.

Sure microwaves are ineffective for sterilizing most materials in most fashions.
They cannot "pasteurize" properly either. Fortunately we're not "properly pasteurizing" here but using a different heat treatment altogether, perhaps a fractional pasteurization so-to-speak. This casing prep technique works, and it's worked for many many years.
There indeed are also some ways that a microwave can be effectively used to sterilize when done in particular fashion. This technique is a hint at those ways.


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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: Sillyputty67]
    #18222969 - 05/06/13 03:27 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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The most accepted way is a casing layer of 50% verm and 50% peat moss pasteurized at 150 Degrees F. for 1 hour.




I add some lime to get the pH up to about 8.5 and just sterilize it in the PC in mycobags.  Lots of ways to do it though. :shrug:

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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: thelanzii]
    #18227493 - 05/07/13 02:16 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Some of the rye containers were put into
fruiting  conditions after applying the peat casing

Its been some days no pins yet....
but noticed the myc network is starting to thicken up

->Should you wait until your rye/grass seed containers are
  thick solid thight white mycelium mass until casing+fruiting?
or is it ok if the grains are only webbed into the mycelium?


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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: Zarotti]
    #18227521 - 05/07/13 02:22 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

It's always beneficial to let them thicken up.
There is a strong breakdown curve on this straight grain, and they've not had broken-up "spawn" runs to get a head start on this like with bulk substrates.
Initiating into fruiting early will cause the flushing to lead-in gradually.
This isn't a problem, but it lengthens the period exposed to unsterile environs before the real flushing starts.
It can open up to early failure before they've gotten into the swing of things.

This is one of many reasons I suggest a nice ripe 'chew time' on the grain before casing and fruiting.


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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: Violet]
    #18228738 - 05/07/13 06:26 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

hmmmmmmm.............

i can endorse these methods.


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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: anne halonium]
    #18229678 - 05/07/13 09:40 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I used these for years...just look for the faint recycle symbol with a 5 inside it. I had a 16qt pc I think back then,and could only fit 4 qt jars in it. But like 7-8qt of spawn in those squaty jars pictured. So yes I really liked seeing someone else using those too.

I jus bought sum rye seed today for .60cents per LB. far cheaper than my $1.xx per pound organic berries wheat-rye. These grass seeds seem awesome!

My next project is starting with a MS syringe of b+ in a qt of wheat berries, (cooling now) and gonna make a GLC to expand the myc....
one question being will the liquid from the GLC effect the rye seed? Should I go with a G2G for better results? Obviously I would want to use G2G for a large spawn bag full of seed right? Any tips on Large spawn bags?

Im gonna use your soak and strain prep, gonna add gypsum to the water since mine is pelletized. How "damp" is the seeds before your loading them? I read a little is fine and necessary, so just like 30 min in the strainer?

Thank you guys for still being here, I've been on a sabbatical  for the past 4-5 years and returning to my roots so to speak.


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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: anne halonium]
    #18231099 - 05/08/13 03:53 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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anne halonium said:
expect more in the new age.......




Hey Anne... :smile:



And for everyone else following along... the conversation continues!


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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: TFpek]
    #18231645 - 05/08/13 08:45 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

this thread is alot of fun isnt it............




that one pic , looks like "poms" TFpek,
where would ya learn about something like that?


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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: anne halonium]
    #18232078 - 05/08/13 11:07 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

anne halonium said:
that one pic , looks like "poms" TFpek,
where would ya learn about something like that?





I like my highs natural!

I've been playing around a bit... had some extra fert agar after pouring some plates, decided to give it a spin.

I shook these poms a couple days ago just to see what happens--they recovered in hours. Before it was all rhyzos, now it's a little thin. Won't be shaking poms again.

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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: TFpek]
    #18236680 - 05/09/13 06:41 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Just wondering when using the rgs prep tek outlined here if you pressure cook right away or do you wait to seterilize by letting them sit in their container after soaking and straining to allow the bacterial endospores to germ? Violet you mention in your truffle tek that you use the inverse soak time to determine how long to let them sit before pressure cooking. Also what size is your shotgun chamber and do you elevate it to allow air to pass underneath it?


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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: botanicalbishop]
    #18237076 - 05/09/13 09:23 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

All of your questions about the prep and tek are answered in the tek's thread.

A FC is not a SGFC unless it's elevated. I don't use that chamber much tho.


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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: Violet]
    #18238177 - 05/09/13 01:34 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Ok Vi,

I went to our local farm supply to get some grass seed. It was twice as much as the rye. The guy told me that rye is the cheapest grain we can get, so I bought more rye. Ill be using your tek with rye. i pay 17$ for 50lbs.


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Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potenc [Re: Sillyputty67]
    #18238956 - 05/09/13 04:20 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I'll be interested to see your results.
Especially if you were to get a small bag of grass seed to run alongside later with an isolate in the same FC, when you get the dynamic of the technique.
Rye is a slightly different matter as a straight-sub. You probably plan to use these casing layers, as you're a smart guy, so the biggest difference (which is the water loss factor) won't be a problem to you.

Your rye is the cheapest I've ever seen it, congrats… looks like you still get the same price of grass seed I do tho, $34 for 50lb.
If I were you I'd still be buying grass seed. At least for a "master" inoculant or any expansion source, as grass seed is worth it up to even 5x the expense. Other grains are a factual waste by comparison.


Have fun and do your best!


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potenc [Re: Violet]
    #18239573 - 05/09/13 06:32 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I was even eyeballing millet, but the salesman flat out said rye is the cheapest grain.

I just got the PP5 containers. This will keep me from derfing a mycobag every cake I make.  Ill let you know how it goes. Quite honestly the only modification i think ill add with the rye, is dunking the cake before casing it back in its dish.

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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: Violet]
    #18239733 - 05/09/13 07:13 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Don't mean to be rude but I've read it 4 times and no where does it say how long you let grain sit after draining. You mention in the potency section about letting the grains sit for a period of 24hrs and then partly sterilize them and then wait another 24. I guess I'll just have to experiment with this or just go back to boiling and drying.


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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: botanicalbishop]
    #18239750 - 05/09/13 07:17 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

What do you mean, how long I let it sit after draining?
Are you asking how long I let the excess water drain out before I load to sterilize?
Or, when prefermenting-in plant food how long do I let it sit until sterilization?
Both of those are answered in the thread.
I'm not sure what you're missing.


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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: Violet]
    #18240343 - 05/09/13 09:10 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

From what I've read on here there's a general consensus that if you sterilize right away you have a greater chance of having contams due to some spores surviving. Rr mentions a couple times that it would take 24hrs of pressure cooking to completely sterilize a sub and by then its nutrition is used up. Have you ever let a fully colonized jar sit longer than it should and then all of sudden it will contam. Its not that the filter stopped doing its job but the bacteria endospores that survived pressure cooking take over. That's why its important to move on to the next step before contams set in. Or have you ever forgot about the grains you had soaking and came back to them days later only to get a wiff of that rancid smell. The smell is from the bacteria fermenting, sorry for the confusion. Heres a post of what I'm trying to explain.
http://www.shroomery.org/5191/Should-I-let-the-grain-sit-and-soak-overnight-or-pressure-cook-right-away


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    #18240368 - 05/09/13 09:14 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Err, I'd say if you're sterilizing properly, you don't need to have such concerns.
Regardless of whether I wait for endospore germination after hydration, or if I accidentally allow a "bacterial bloom" on grain I'm allowing to pre-ferment in plant food for, my sterilization times are the same and I still experience success.
You may be over-thinking it. If you do a good grain prep and sterilize correctly you won't see such issues.


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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: Violet]
    #18240560 - 05/09/13 09:49 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I appreciate the feedback, i guess I'm just skeptical I've had bad luck in the past with the whole no soak simmer thing but i believe it was due to the wbs being so inconsistent. Lately I've only been using rye grain and wheat berries. Your post has really inspired me to give up the monotubs and bulk subs. I went out the other day and bought some grass seed plus a couple donzen of those no.5 pint containers. Got some jars of pink buffalo and pes ready for G2G. Now all I'm trying to figure out if i want to fruit in my mono or just build a shotgun, I'll probably end up doing both. Thanks for all the information i hope this thread makes the archives its defiantly opened my eyes to a new way of growing


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