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    #18216705 - 05/05/13 06:38 AM (11 years, 16 days ago)

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Re: Vomit as a propagation method [Re: stevo]
    #18216752 - 05/05/13 07:04 AM (11 years, 16 days ago)

What is it in the vomit that made them germinate??


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    #18216773 - 05/05/13 07:15 AM (11 years, 16 days ago)

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Re: Vomit as a propagation method [Re: stevo]
    #18216785 - 05/05/13 07:26 AM (11 years, 16 days ago)

Make you some vomit agar! and see what happens!


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Re: Vomit as a propagation method [Re: mudbutt]
    #18217736 - 05/05/13 12:33 PM (11 years, 16 days ago)

Man I hate throwing up, I couldn't do this experiment. If it goes good for you let us know.


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Re: Vomit as a propagation method [Re: mycofever]
    #18217770 - 05/05/13 12:42 PM (11 years, 16 days ago)

maybe vomit is the missing link in morel cultivation:laugh:


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Re: Vomit as a propagation method [Re: forrest]
    #18218069 - 05/05/13 02:00 PM (11 years, 16 days ago)

Barf Tec


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Re: Vomit as a propagation method [Re: LBM]
    #18219134 - 05/05/13 06:34 PM (11 years, 16 days ago)

It might be beneficial to eat some rye berries or brown rice before the extraction.Just to give it some nutrients. :lol:


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Re: Vomit as a propagation method [Re: mycofever]
    #18219359 - 05/05/13 07:31 PM (11 years, 16 days ago)

I can see the 20/20 report now...

Does your neighbor make wood piles to vomit in?  Stay tuned to find out if they might be growing hallucinogenic mushrooms.

In all seriousness though I can't imagine having to go through this to get mushrooms to grow.  Maybe you could just find some bile on eBay?

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Re: Vomit as a propagation method [Re: BloodKil]
    #18219723 - 05/05/13 08:52 PM (11 years, 16 days ago)

There's a lot going on with a germinating spore, any number of factors might be required.

Lowering the pH of your agar is easy enough though.  Seems like it would be worthwhile to try that first.


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    #18221252 - 05/06/13 06:41 AM (11 years, 15 days ago)

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Re: Vomit as a propagation method [Re: stevo]
    #18223350 - 05/06/13 04:52 PM (11 years, 15 days ago)

FF is onto the best simple solution possibilities here.  You could also try various enzymes present in stomach contents as an aid in germination.  However, I am not convincing that what grew out on your vomit was Psilocybe cyanescens.  I'm not saying it absolutely couldn't be, but I have my (strong) doubts.  Don't let that discourage you from experimenting with whatever you feel the urge to pursue. My hat off to you if you find something amazing.

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Re: Vomit as a propagation method [Re: MycoAu]
    #18225086 - 05/06/13 10:50 PM (11 years, 14 days ago)

This was actually alot better thought out than i thought it would be, ill add another voice of approval to FFs call to engage in a little Occams razoring, but all the same, an intruiging prospect.

I dont see why it wouldnt be possible to make an at least partially viable mycelium slurry in your stomach and then expel it (even after absorbing the fun), although i think you might find similar results from making a slurry in a blender.

My only addition is that you should compare the two, if you indeed are intent on vomit propagation. Find out some way of quantifying the success of both propagation methods(Vom slurry, slurry, LC or something) and compare them on the same substrate, if it does indeed propagate better when partially digested it could be a potential means of dispersal in other wild nausea inducing psychoactive fungi.

I can see potential, partial digestion causing the mycelium to hastily enter a vegetative state, fascinating, but gross(i love gross).

Although it might be better to develop a method that doesnt require potential mycetismus or at the very least, bulemic teeth.

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Re: Vomit as a propagation method [Re: Nobitte]
    #18225236 - 05/06/13 11:41 PM (11 years, 14 days ago)

Just keep it simple.  You need to test things out one step at a time.  If you find that vomit works that will only lead to more questions.

A simple pH effect is the easiest to try.  A drop of dilute HCl into your spore solution, shake for a few minutes, then plate as normal.  Seems simpler and more effective than even pHing your agar.

If that doesn't work you can try all sorts of stuff.


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Re: Vomit as a propagation method [Re: fastfred]
    #18225369 - 05/07/13 12:26 AM (11 years, 14 days ago)

If it works, I'm buying some mad dog 20/20. That shit causes projectile vomiting after half a bottle for me.


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Re: Vomit as a propagation method [Re: TheLizardKing]
    #18226781 - 05/07/13 11:40 AM (11 years, 14 days ago)

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If it works, I'm buying some mad dog 20/20. That shit causes projectile vomiting after half a bottle for me.




MD 20/20 is a surefire way to produce vomit if you don't mind the headache.

That shit is so damn nasty!  No idea how they produce such rotgut or how they stay in business.  Last time I drank that shit I got a headache before I even caught a buzz.


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P.S.  I would collect your vomit and filter it.  You can filter, then filter sterilize it pretty easily, then you can do all your lab experiments in a more controlled fashion.

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Re: Vomit as a propagation method [Re: fastfred]
    #18227025 - 05/07/13 12:34 PM (11 years, 14 days ago)

That's what chemicals do.... :shrug:

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Re: Vomit as a propagation method [Re: stevo]
    #18236859 - 05/09/13 08:16 AM (11 years, 12 days ago)

likely better to let them pass all the way thru and shit them out.  Many seeds require scarification to germinate.  Truffle spores are descimminated in pig shit.  The spores of "shotgun fungus" a zygomycete, in cow shit.  likehood is that if spores evolved to germinate with some "treatment", vomiting wouldnt make sense since the organism would likely avoid the species that caused it to vomit.

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Re: Vomit as a propagation method [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #18240121 - 05/09/13 08:33 PM (11 years, 12 days ago)

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likely better to let them pass all the way thru and shit them out.



:laugh2:


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Re: Vomit as a propagation method [Re: fastfred]
    #18252740 - 05/12/13 11:36 AM (11 years, 9 days ago)

Any pics of the mushrooms on the vomit pile?  Part of me feels like I'm getting trolled, but if you're serious, that's pretty awesome!


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