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Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted *DELETED*
    #18216602 - 05/05/13 05:36 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: DystopianUtopia]
    #18221145 - 05/06/13 05:37 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Bump. Please help!

Thank you.


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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: DystopianUtopia]
    #18221180 - 05/06/13 06:07 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Have you shaken/broken the bags up at all? You could try that as a way to visually inspect for colors and what not.....

The mycelium in the bag looks alright, little bit of excess moisture. I'd try giving them a good shake (you should be able to smell some funk if you've got a contam too), see how they recover from that

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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: DystopianUtopia]
    #18221183 - 05/06/13 06:08 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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looks contaminated to me


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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: Smkymtnagar]
    #18221272 - 05/06/13 07:00 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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looks contaminated to me




What exactly are you looking at that indicates contamination?

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Have you shaken/broken the bags up at all? You could try that as a way to visually inspect for colors and what not.....

The mycelium in the bag looks alright, little bit of excess moisture. I'd try giving them a good shake (you should be able to smell some funk if you've got a contam too), see how they recover from that




I shook up the bags earlier during the growth of the mycelium, but haven't recently. It's kinda hard to because the mycelium has given the substrate a hard defined shape.

It was in a humidity tent which is probably responsible for the moisture.

I'm really pissed off as this was my second attempt, and I really tried to get everything right. So disheartening. :frown: I'll have another inspection in a bit.


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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: DystopianUtopia]
    #18221279 - 05/06/13 07:02 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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looks contaminated to me




What exactly are you looking at that indicates contamination?






the picture :lolsy: i dont know how i can be any more descript

but it looks gooey

and gooey means bacteria.


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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: k00laid]
    #18221302 - 05/06/13 07:16 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

colinising jars or bags should never be put in humid condtions. you dont need humidity during colinisation. This can get the filter wet which inturn could let contaminants grow through the filter.

the corners of the bag do look suspicious, if its just wet from excess moisture that could make it hard for mycelium to colinise. however grain bags and jars never have moisture in them like that when prepared correctly so if it appears in excessive amounts its normal means bacteria.


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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: veda_sticks]
    #18230891 - 05/08/13 02:40 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

OK,so I quite thoroughly broke up the mycelium with my hands and waited a couple of days, and the mycelium has definitely started spreading again (I took pictures so I could compare it, definitely more white since I did this). I also took it out of the humidity chamber.

There are some yellow specks in the bag but having Googled it they could just be weird discharge from the mycelium and not necessarily mold or bacteria. I've also noticed a mushroom-like smell coming from the bag.

Do you guys think I might be okay or should I chuck it just to be on the safe side? I could yield anywhere between 1-2oz from this if it works so you can understand why I've been reluctant to give it up.

I understand that allowing mold to colonize in the grow bag poses a serious health risk and I do not want to do that, but I am unsure as to whether it is contaminated at the moment.


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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: DystopianUtopia]
    #18231341 - 05/08/13 06:07 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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I understand that allowing mold to colonize in the grow bag poses a serious health risk.





nahhhh

nothing will be going into, or getting out of that bag.

unless you open it.


you should see some of the jars of DEATH i have lying around.

i'll probably bury them underground and then smash them.


those things dont deserve to see the light of day


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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: k00laid]
    #18231560 - 05/08/13 08:09 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Well, yeah. I am going to have to cut it open at some point if I wish to harvest mushrooms from it. In fact, I'm gonna have to cut it open once the mycelium have fully spread.

See instructions: http://www.myco-farm.com/

Any advice? I'd say based on the information I have I think there's a 50% chance it is contaminated. I would throw it away, but the thought of possibly wasting a potential 30-50 grams perfectly harmless and edible shrooms just makes me want to continue. What's worse is I expect to get my first flush as summer kicks off, and if I throw it away I'll have no shrooms and will have to pay through the nose for a single high dose, as oppose to getting loads at no marginal cost if I keep it and it works.

On the other hand, I don't want to risk contaminating my house.

Since I removed the humidity tent (someone on another website told me to use it, doh, I missed the part in the instructions which says you need it at stage three) a lot of the moisture seems to have gone, there's a still a bit above the substrate though, but I think that's just due to the temperatures I'm using.

I do not think that 'goo' people pointed out was necessarily bacteria, as it is in the corner of the bag where the rye is getting crushed - I think that's all it is. I tested this by squeezing a piece of the grain through the bag and the resulting mush looked exactly the same.

Still, I'm seeing these tiny yellow spots which I'm not sure whether they're just mycelium piss, as I've heard them referred to on the internet, or a contamination. I'm also not sure about this smell I catch a whiff of when I open the box, it smells kinda sweet but does smells very similar to mushrooms I've eaten in the past.

Please help. More advice is greatly appreciated.

Thanks you guys.


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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: DystopianUtopia]
    #18234626 - 05/08/13 08:18 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Please help. More advice is greatly appreciated.

Thanks you guys.




post pics when its fully colonized


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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: k00laid]
    #18236174 - 05/09/13 02:31 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Will do, should only be a few days now. Ever since shortly after I removed the humidity bag and shook up the contents of the grow bag it's been spreading rapidly again, hopefully that's a sign all is well.


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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: DystopianUtopia]
    #18236218 - 05/09/13 02:41 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah man. That looks like bacteria to me also. In which case, shaking would only spread it.
I've had shabby luck with grain in bags because they don't breathe well .
They're ok for voracious species like oyster but for most else, meh.
  Good luck tho man for real. You wouldn't be the forst one to spawn bacterially infected grain and get 1 or 2 flushes. Some bacteria chill down when they get some air going on.


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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18236310 - 05/09/13 03:25 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks man. Yeah, I'm starting to think it is infected now, but I'll post pics and get some opinions from you guys when it's fully colonized.

That's interesting that I could flush it when there's bacteria in it, didn't know that. Wouldn't the mushrooms then be dangerous?

I just hope I salvage some mushrooms for the summer from this or my wallet is gonna take quite a hit :frown:

Gotta try the PF Tek at some point.


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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: DystopianUtopia]
    #18237952 - 05/09/13 12:44 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Ahhhhh you want mushrooms...why didn't you say so??

Quart sized grain jars (with which you'll make injector port and filter port lids)
A pressure cooker
Grain
Injectable innoculant that's clean

The pf tek saves you from buying a pc but is actually just as, if not more, involved and the yields aren't there.

Its kind of like getting firewood. You can stumble around constantly getting sticks, or you can get logs once.  Both will keep you warm but logs are the way to cut to the heart of the idea.


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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: DystopianUtopia]
    #18382037 - 06/07/13 08:21 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hey guys

I'm having problems again and really need help, although I'm doubtful at this stage as to whether I'm getting any shrooms outta this.

Look at the instructions for stages 2-3 here: http://www.myco-farm.com/

The bag fully colonized, and I couldn't see anything that I decided was particularly worrying so I went ahead to the next stages. I cut off the top, put on the casing layer, stored for a few days wrapped in foil, then rolled the side of the bag down, lowered the temperature, put it in the humidity tent, and went on.

Unfortunately, it said that at stage two I wait 6 days, so I did. Then at stage 3 I put it near a window in the aquarium heater at 23.5 degrees and have waited two weeks. If you look at the 'stage 3' bit of the guide, it says wait 7-14 days. It then says "After a couple of weeks you should see the formation of baby mushrooms (called "pinheads") on the top of the bag. They are usually white (but here you can see the pink pinheads of Pleurotus djamor growing through polymer casing".

Question: is the 'after a couple of weeks' referring to the 7-14 days you waited or does it mean a couple of weeks after the 7-14 days? It's just it's now been 16 days and there's no sign of mushrooms. I've been very careful in handling it, always ensuring I wash my hands thoroughly, sometimes wear gloves, and I wear a respirator while handling it.

and yet, no sign of shrooms whatsoever. Have I done anything wrong? I was storing it in a place where it was not getting much light, so I moved it closer to the window in the last week (I also misread the instructions and for the first week it wasn't in the humidity tent) but there is still no sign of progress. Should I wait longer?

If you look at the pictures, you can see on the mycelium (I temporarily removed the foil) that there's a lot of yellow patches. There was less before I put the casing layer, and I thought it was what is reffered to as 'mycelium piss'. But now I think it might be mold. what do you think? The reason you can't see so much white is because pouring the casing layer in cover up some of the mycelium, but it was full colonized and the mycelium has broken through the casing layer somewhat to the top.

Please help, as I'm unsure if there is hope. This is gonna cost me bigtime as I'm gonna have no shrooms for the summer and probably will have to end up paying through the nose for an oz. aw well :frown:



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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: DystopianUtopia]
    #18382141 - 06/07/13 08:55 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I've never tried one... but I know someone is gonna say this...

Don't buy kits.

that being said, since you've already wandered upon one of the best mycological resources available, all the knowledge is here to show you how to avoid using kits and growing successfully at a fraction of the cost.

I'm gathering that block is a kind of oyster, pink?

I don't think its a temp thing, though pink oysters like warmer temps, every kind of oyster I have experience with has been a prolific fruiter.

you don't have to be careful wearing gloves/respirator, when a block is 100% colonized (which yours is) its extremely contaminant resistant. (its only when its not fully colonized is it susceptible to contamination, Or after it flushes once,twice,three times, it can become weaker and weaker and will eventually contam)

I suspect not enough RH, make sure the top of the bag is open for fresh air, mist in it at least twice a day. when the climate on the top of the block has consistently been humid and wet pins will pop.

sometimes a humidity tent isn't enough.

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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: TheBoomking]
    #18382176 - 06/07/13 09:05 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

erm... I'm trying to cultivate Psilocybe Cubensis B+ mushrooms.

But yes, I'm only using grain bags because I'm new to this and it was a budget option. Next time I attempt this I'm definitely gonna do the PF tek.

Thanks for the advice.

What does RH mean? I will try and get humidity, but when you say spray inside the block, you mean spray water onto the grain bag itself? I will try to get more air exchange and humidity in there, just wasn't sure about directly spraying water into the substrate. I've been occasionally spraying the inside of the humidity bag, but not the grain bag itself, if you're sure this won't fuck it up then I'll start doing this as well.

Do you think that according to the guide, if I'd been doing it right I'd be seeing pinheads by now?

Also, the guide says that I should close and peg the top of the humidity tent. why is this necessary? I understand it may stop the water evaporating, but wouldn't it also prevent air exchange occuring? Should I open it for a couple of hour a day or something?

Once again, thank you all for your help.


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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: DystopianUtopia]
    #18382199 - 06/07/13 09:11 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

yes spray the block right now, even touch it too see how moist it is.

touching the vermiculite on the top should be okay, as it will have the same moisture content as the rest of the block underneath. (if your worrying about exposing the block to contams on your finger)

do this because if its too dry (which it could be after a week of high FAE and low RH) youll have to pour water in there, submerge the whole block, and let that absorb for up to 24 hours before emptying water and putting it back into "fruiting conditions" (commonly called on here a dunk)

and no not necessarily, if you put cubensis into perfect fruiting conditions it could still take up to a week to see pins... not likely though. but it happens to the best of us.

Edited by TheBoomking (06/07/13 09:14 AM)

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Re: Mycelium not spreading to corners of grow bag/seems to have halted [Re: TheBoomking]
    #18382215 - 06/07/13 09:14 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks, I will do this now?

Could you just tell me what FAE and RH mean?

Finally, what colour should cubensis pinheads be when they first become visible?


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