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First time growing shrooms
#18193793 - 04/30/13 07:39 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey! Im going to start growing shrooms but im a bit concern about the sterilization. At first i was thinking about using a PC but my PC doesn't have a gauge, so i thought if i miss the 15 psi mark i would fail to sterilize and that i should go with steam sterilization (like on the mushroomsvideo.com). To clean the glove box i was thinking about using 1/10 bleach/water but it sterilizes or sanitizes? Could i use alcohol instead and get the same result?
Also the only rice i found that looks like brown rice was a coarse rice. On the website of the brand it doesnt say its organic but it says the rice was not processed in any way, just removed from its husk. Will this work?
Ill be using glass cups with tin foil.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto]
#18193908 - 04/30/13 08:00 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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What is the model number of the pressure cooker?
For the glovebox I just spray the fuck out of it with Lysol.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: MHbound] 1
#18194114 - 04/30/13 08:42 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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The rice should work fine. Grind it finely.
Lysol bombing is useless. You're.not.creating a sterile.place. only a still air environment.
Simply damp the inside via.spraybottle, paper towel with water.
Clean with.bleach solution if.you'd like.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: iOmniphobia]
#18194301 - 04/30/13 09:15 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Your pc manual will tell you its psi.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: MHbound]
#18194351 - 04/30/13 09:22 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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It doesnt have a model number it looks like the one on the image it holds 2-3 gallons, this types of PC doesnt bring manual, its used for cooking it just has something that makes the noise when the vapor comes out. Im going to buy the rest of the items tomorrow and im missing bleach and alcohol, i'll do fine with just alcohol, right?
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto]
#18195325 - 05/01/13 02:00 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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It has to have some markings somewhere to tell what kind it is, otherwise I don't feel safe saying you can run it without the weight...you can just buy a pressure cooker weight for it cheap but I need the maker or something off of it....its on there somewhere. at least the name.
Lysol is not pointless....You are creating a still air environment yes but its not totally sterile and its better safe than sorry to lysol the gloves the bottom sides and top....why not? especially considering he is using glass with foil.
Let it air out before you inoculate or the Lysol will flame up...Or let it settle rather don't air it out that would defeat the purpose.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: MHbound] 1
#18195333 - 05/01/13 02:01 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Use alcohol if you want, I just use Lysol so you can cover every surface easily and know its sterile.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: MHbound]
#18195432 - 05/01/13 03:03 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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I cant find Lysol here thats why i didnt consider it, the PC as a brand http://www.flama.pt/index.php?cat=75&item=146 , there's not much information nor manuals it just says the PC is made out of stainless steel 18/10.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: MHbound] 1
#18195456 - 05/01/13 03:21 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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No matter what you do, the SAB will never be sterile. But like someone else mentioned, sterility is not the goal of a SAB, still air is the goal. I think most people just use a bleach water solution to spray it down anyway. I hear that a cardboard box with a window works just fine, and I cant imagine someone soaking cardboard with anything.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto] 1
#18195467 - 05/01/13 03:27 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dude, I have heard of people using pressure cookers that have only reached 10 psi and have never had any problems. By the look of that picture, I am sure you will be just fine for now.
As for lysol or a generic, if you cant find that.... then you have no business growing.
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I am seeing it reaches 10 PSI without anything, just put a damp rag over the hole on top to help maintain the pressure and do it a little longer than usual.
The reason 15 is important is because he is using the glasses and not jars with lids. But you can get away with it but I would cook them a little longer...
Are you doing the PF Tek or grains?
And you can get a glovebox sterile, 100%? No, but you can get it very sterile with alcohol if you have to, but where the hell are you that you can't find lysol?
anyway have any questions you can PM me.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: MHbound]
#18195572 - 05/01/13 04:58 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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When you said i should spray it with Lysol i thought that i would have to look for that specific product, its just another disinfectant im sure ill be able to find some.
Im doing PF Tek, the mushroomvideo.com guy used the steam method the video said that 100ºC would be enough to sterilize.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto] 1
#18195937 - 05/01/13 07:57 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yea you can find some no problem. A lot of people use Lysol or a disinfectant its easy to spray everything and its very effective. I spray the shit out of the entire room, surfaces and all before I start innoculating.
Any other questions just ask. Be careful with the foil lids, if you can find tyvek at the local post office putting it under the foil and wrapping a rubberband or zip tie to hold it would be very beneficial and then cover the inoculation points with some porous tape.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: MHbound]
#18226801 - 05/07/13 11:45 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey, today i made the spore syringe this way:
desinfected the glove box with bleach/water and wait 15min desinfected the spore recipient with 80% alcohol and let it dry scrape the spores in heat the syringe needle till red threw the water in 3,4x
after i did all this i started to think about what i did wrong and i think i just killed the spores by sucking them in, when the needle was still warm? Or the first time i throw the water the needle will drop the heat?
tomorrow ill be mixing the verm+flour and sterilize using the PC, i think even if its not a 15 psi PC 90 will sterilize it +-? I saw some posts here of people saying it worked for them. I went to the pharmacies around here, guess what none sells micropore tape (i read here that it wouldnt filter spores), the only thing i was able to buy was this and this i will be cutting this in small stripes, will this work as a filter?
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto]
#18228639 - 05/07/13 06:05 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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anyone?
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto] 1
#18228744 - 05/07/13 06:27 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dependsing on what psi it is but the answer is yes it will work, and your spores are fine. I cant see the links im on my phone but im gonna say its fine as long as it wont seal your holes
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: cronicr]
#18249294 - 05/11/13 04:33 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok, i've injected 8 cups with the spores, i suppose ill be able to see a small white mycellium in a week or so? Will i be able to use the cake, after harvesting, to make a liquid culture out of it? cut a piece and put in a solution, would it work?
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto] 1
#18249465 - 05/11/13 05:21 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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no when its spent it's spent and also covered in contams, try agar its more rewarding then lc
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: cronicr] 1
#18249521 - 05/11/13 05:37 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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place an alcohol soaked paper towel at the bottom of your SAB to catch anything that falls.. also soap and water on the walls.. best ways to keep it clean in your work area.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: cronicr]
#18249754 - 05/11/13 06:39 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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cronicr said: no when its spent it's spent and also covered in contams, try agar its more rewarding then lc
i've read somewhere that i could add H2O2 that it wouldnt kill the mycellium and keep it clean, what do you mean by spent? I dont fully understand mushrooms so im considering a mushroom an aglomeration of entities, if one part dies the another wouldnt simply grow? Or the whole aglomeration dies? Even if contam, wouldnt mycellium have an advantage over the other bacterias or fungi if you present it with a substract to grow? I've seen this guide where the author uses the bottom of a mushroom to make a LC.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto] 1
#18252880 - 05/12/13 12:20 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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you can use the fruitbody to make a lc np, but lc's are sketchy in general which is y most of us prefer agar, when a sub is considered spent that means the mycelium has finished it's meal and is done producing mushrooms and by this time is very weak making it unsuitable as spawn so your best bet is to start fresh. you can however burry a pent sub outdoors and maybe get a few more fruits
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: cronicr]
#18278878 - 05/17/13 01:31 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok, im sold on agar culture. So a week as gone by and my 8 cups are white where i shot the syringe, this means its ok but still a chance of getting contam, right?
I still dont know if im going to make the agar culture with brf or agar-agar, it seems its hard to find agar-agar here.
theres tons of info here that i've been reading, i didnt get what casing is.
I have cakes i break them and put them in a substract so they colonize to create more mushrooms? Kinda like grain spawn transfer?
Can this casing be done with the same mix(verm:brf) used to create the cakes? Or do i need to had soil and lime to it?
I've seen a video about pasteurizing would there be beneficial bacteria in the soil?
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto] 1
#18279057 - 05/17/13 02:16 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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for spawning cakes to bulk you want something like straw or coir or manure, there's no or very little nutrition in soil. you just bring your bulk substrate to field capacity and load into jars and pasturize i'll shoot ya a link in a second(casing is just a layer of non nutritious "soil" that helps to aid in pin development by giving you 99-100 percent humidity on the surface of your substrate, so we don't call bulk subs casings it's just confusing)
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: cronicr] 1
#18279075 - 05/17/13 02:20 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897217#17897217 also if your gonna try the brf agar sub, just use 5 grams of brf and 16 cc's of water for every jar/ plate you intend to use and mix in a separate container and just pour enough in the bottom to give you a flat surface to work with, toss your lid on and pc for 20 minutes at 15 psi, give it a couple hours to cool
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: cronicr]
#18296941 - 05/21/13 08:23 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok, my cakes are almost fully colonized (from what i can see outside), how do i know when they are fully colonized inside? It will make 15 days after inoculation on 25th. Now thats almost fully colonized the cups are showing water is this normal? High chance of contam?
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto] 1
#18297004 - 05/21/13 08:41 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Water is completely normal, nothing to worry about. Fully colonized means nothing but white on all visible sides.
Make sure once when you hit this point you wait 1+ weeks to birth, otherwise you'll be in for a disappointing yield.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: kocoon]
#18299808 - 05/21/13 05:58 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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You mean, after fully colonized wait 1 week and then take them out of the cups?
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto] 1
#18299896 - 05/21/13 06:16 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: kocoon] 1
#18299906 - 05/21/13 06:18 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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when your using proper jars or glasses(like you have) if the outside is colonized so is the inside as it's the same distance from top to bottom/side to side.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: cronicr] 1
#18299993 - 05/21/13 06:41 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you birth early you're gonna end up waiting that extra week for pins and yields will suffer
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: cronicr] 1
#18299998 - 05/21/13 06:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not gonna lie bro i just made up my jars and sat them in a pot of water brought the water to a boil and then lowered the heat till it was just still boiling and put a lit over it which didnt even properly fit and my cakes are thriving. You wanna be thorough but dont over think things it will all work out. ( this was also my first time growing)
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#18300016 - 05/21/13 06:44 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I also waited a week for MOST of my cakes after full colonization but some of them had already grown long thin mushies inside the jars so i posted pics and asked questions and found out i could birth those early (which i did) and they are also doing fine
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Tee10]
#18305967 - 05/22/13 07:56 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im chillin, i just have doubts which the resolve will make me understand why is all this processes needed and ofc bring peace to my mind. Im also doing this on my bedroom will the CO2 kill me?
I thought i should start thinking how am i going to do the fruiting chamber, perlite its kinda hard to get here is there other ways to do this? I saw a chamber with a air pump and a mistifier but the guy was using perlite too.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto]
#18306034 - 05/22/13 08:12 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: kocoon]
#18307877 - 05/23/13 05:39 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Terramoto said: will the CO2 kill me?
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kk, i would have to get the room full of mushrooms to get suffocated by CO2.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto]
#18308418 - 05/23/13 09:31 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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For you FC u can use paper towels, but you'd have to replace them almost every day. Perlite is pretty crucial. It's also pretty common, I don't think a garden center could call themselves one without it
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: kocoon]
#18349684 - 05/31/13 03:47 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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whats the most eficient fruiting chamber out there? i've seen a few FC, some had many small holes others 2 to 4 big holes with polyfill, a big chamber is better then a small one? For mushrooms development, humidity consistency.
I have a 40x32 and a 75x33 container for 8 wisky cup cakes
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto]
#18363881 - 06/03/13 06:23 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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They seemed fully colonized from the outside so i waited a week and birth them yesterday. They dont seem fully colonized i should've waited more time no?



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#18363890 - 06/03/13 06:26 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: cronicr]
#18376529 - 06/06/13 06:53 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is this pinning or overlay? They're growing from diferent spots.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto] 1
#18376539 - 06/06/13 06:58 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd say overlay, because I can spot no primordia.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto] 1
#18376556 - 06/06/13 07:03 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Terramoto said: Is this pinning or overlay? They're growing from diferent spots.
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that is neither. It is called "hyphal knotting" and it happens right before you start pinning. You could patch and increase yield. Or not.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: hyperjump69]
#18376723 - 06/06/13 08:16 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Terramoto said: Is this pinning or overlay? They're growing from diferent spots.
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that is neither. It is called "hyphal knotting" and it happens right before you start pinning. You could patch and increase yield. Or not.
Patch how? Tell me about it!! throw more vermiculite at it? sterilize verm+brf and had over the spots?
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto] 1
#18376844 - 06/06/13 08:53 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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You do not patch cakes, that is only for substrates with casing layers.
And patching does not increase yield....so much bad info...
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto]
#18376859 - 06/06/13 08:57 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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so what do i do? I've just added verm on top of the cakes that were showing white spots



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#18376884 - 06/06/13 09:04 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Terramoto said: so what do i do?
Mist and fan as usual, and wait.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: PussyFart]
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haaaaa kk! I went panic, doesnt take much to screw this. thanks!
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: PussyFart] 1
#18377037 - 06/06/13 09:46 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: You do not patch cakes, that is only for substrates with casing layers.
And patching does not increase yield....so much bad info...
Yes. Notahacker420 is correct on one thing. Patching is GENERALLY used for fixing casing on bulk substrate grows.
But what he is NOT correct on is the misinformation part. This is a direct quote from RR on patching as taken from RR's Notes on cultivation- "*You apply it to your fully colonized substrate and cover it up. You then place it on a shelf out of the way, at normal room temperature for a few days. When the mycelium pokes through a few days later, introduce to fruiting conditions. Read up on patching. It's optional, but does increase yield and pinset."
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: hyperjump69]
#18377066 - 06/06/13 09:52 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am not correct because you proved it to give a better yield, or just because RR said so?
Adding a casing layer to cubes should not effect yield to my knowledge, so patching the casing layer should do all of nothing for yield, if growing cubes.
How long ago did he say that?
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: PussyFart]
#18377128 - 06/06/13 10:10 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've only been growing these things for 3 years so I don't claim to be the shroom guru. However, IME- patching helps. I only included RR's quote in because when something is disputed in the Shroomery you have to have factual backup. And IMO, RR is pretty much the big-dog daddy when it comes to Mycology.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: hyperjump69]
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Looks like aerial myc to me, stay on that fanning.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: thundahoof]
#18377687 - 06/06/13 12:33 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Aerial myc? But my humidity is right, this has been fruiting for 2 days now. I'd love to see some pinning tomorrow but i dont think it will happen
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto] 1
#18377714 - 06/06/13 12:40 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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IME it usually took about a week in fruiting for pins to appear. Aerial mycelium is nothing to worry about, just make sure to fan plenty they need lots of fresh air.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: thundahoof]
#18377860 - 06/06/13 01:18 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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patching seems to really only help me with having my flushes mature evenly so i'm not pickinig it in sections
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Damn, i knew i was adding too much water thats why the aerial myc was growing and still is. how much water would you give a day? 1 spray in 2 days? This will decrease my yield right?
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto]
#18391410 - 06/09/13 07:21 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, someone told me to patch the cakes and i did it to one and now it got black dots. The post saying not to was already too late.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto]
#18392265 - 06/09/13 12:31 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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black dots are not good
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: cronicr]
#18392366 - 06/09/13 01:07 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, i took that one out and put it inside a bag to see if the cake can deal with it. A question if this ends up growing more dots is it possible to spray the mushroom with water/bleach cut it in half and take a sample from the inside to make a liquid culture or agar culture?
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto]
#18393030 - 06/09/13 04:03 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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no, in fact i would take it out of the bag, molds thrive in those enclosed enviroments, give it lots of fresh air, i would personely toss/burry it
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto]
#18396176 - 06/10/13 07:29 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Terramoto said: Damn, i knew i was adding too much water thats why the aerial myc was growing and still is. how much water would you give a day? 1 spray in 2 days? This will decrease my yield right?
1 spray in 2 days? It usually takes more than that. Spray when cakes look dry. Spray a GOOD mist on them. The verm is there to help hold the moisture content and act as a casing. That's what a "dunk and roll" is.
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Terramoto said: Well, someone told me to patch the cakes and i did it to one and now it got black dots. The post saying not to was already too late.

I see your dots. I also see where the dots are is not where you patched because the myc was already through. Patching won't contam your cakes because 1. Verm doesn't grow or hold mold or bacteria. If you were worried about that being a problem you could have pasteurized it first. 2. If the cakes were 100% colonized you would have been less likely to develop a contam. And 3. Lack of fresh air is one of the main causes of rot. Putting it in a bag was a noob move.
What I would do if I were you is study more and have strict adherence to the tek's and cleanliness. Other than that- peace to you my brother and good luck!
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: hyperjump69]
#18396266 - 06/10/13 08:05 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Patching is not just verm is the casing meaning verm+brf? brf is food+humidity wont form contam? I did exactly as the tek said i waited for it to fully colonized and + 1 week, 100% no contam! I took it out, i drill holes in a box put some perlite inside and spray, put cakes in, wait 1/2-1h spray again, and after that keep control of the humidity, the cake was developing well untill i started to see the aerial myc which i posted here. I took it out of the box, my first thought was to toss it but since the dots were less then 10+- i thought i should give it a try without contam the other cakes.
If i spray more the box will be 100% humidity, i thought the right thing to do was to keep it between 87-95%?
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto]
#18396424 - 06/10/13 09:00 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Patching is only verm. The BRF was added when you made the jars. BRF is what they eat. The verm is to hold moisture and give the myc something to grow through. That's why you load jars light and airy. The dry verm was a contam barrier. I read from your first post to the last. From confusion over the pressure cooker (which BTW is a 15 psi cooker. When the weight rocks it's at 15 psi- no gauge required- it's auto. Don't let it rock- the more it rocks the more you dry out your substrate, which in your case is BRF.) to confessing the cakes didn't look 100%. This is an EXACT science. That's why it is a SCIENCE. My sub is WBS. I like it but I'm ready to go to rye. I hear it's much better. All I can say is this. Slow down. Have patience. Study like crazy and CLEAN. Follow the tek's to the LETTER. The universe doesn't dance to the song you play. Get your karma clean and they will reveal themselves to you. All on their time. Once again- peace to you.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: hyperjump69]
#18398797 - 06/10/13 06:45 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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If patching is only covering it with verm why does everyone calls it casing? Was a missunderstanding the english is not my native language. Before i made every step i check on different threads, some say "patch it with casing", then later i search for casing and i see some calling casing substrate. As to the PC, the rocks here dont have any weight on it, the only number you have is the volume of the PC which was 9L. What i did? I set it till the rock starts spinning and from there did (i dont remember now but i did like what i've read here) dont remember if it was 45min or 90min and the cups had moisture, did everything clean. The problem only started after i put brf+verm in one of the cakes, cause everything else was working ok even if the cakes werent 100% colonized, what i read in this forum was that when every side is covered with myc the cake is fully colonized and it was but it wasnt fully white. Hope you taking this as a healthy discussion, my english might give a different understanding, pins started growing even the one with black spots is growing, i'll put images tomorrow
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto] 1
#18398851 - 06/10/13 06:59 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good for you! Keep at it. It gets easier. 
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto]
#18400248 - 06/10/13 10:43 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Terramoto said: As to the PC, the rocks here dont have any weight on it, the only number you have is the volume of the PC which was 9L. What i did? I set it till the rock starts spinning and from there did (i dont remember now but i did like what i've read here) dont remember if it was 45min or 90min and the cups had moisture, did everything clean.
The thing on top of a pressure cooker that rocks (moves back and forth) is called the weight. It is used to hold in only a small amount of pressure, usually between 13-15 pounds per square inch.
45 minutes is okay for plastic. 90 minutes is okay for glass.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Psilicon]
#18401549 - 06/11/13 05:20 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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The one with weird color is the one that had the black spots, but the spots have disappeared. I'm wondering if this could be from touching the cake?




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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto] 1
#18401800 - 06/11/13 07:34 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Terramoto said: The one with weird color is the one that had the black spots, but the spots have disappeared. I'm wondering if this could be from touching the cake?
When I get black spots I usually know the grow is over. The black spots come from contamination.  Did you wash your hands or wear gloves sprayed with alcohol when you patched? Your fingernails carry BILLIONS of germs on, over, and under them. Just like your hands. It could have floated in on the air that you moved with you when you lifted the lid. You are using a SGFC and the holes all over it allow your room air inside. If the room air is stale or full of mold spores then that can happen. You might as well mist and fan like crazy to keep the pins growing. They might not abort.
The blue color shows up when you pick up or touch the cakes. That's just from being handled. Sometimes mine will get a bluish tint when they are getting on the dry side.
I run a HEPA anti-bacterial filter setup in my room which allows for air movement which allows for nice FAE (I do mono-tubs) as well as clean-air. I wear gloves and a mask when I mist my tub. And just in case I missed something, the water I spray on them has been boiled and allowed to cool. That way I'm not introducing "baddies" that may have been in the water to my grow.
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: hyperjump69]
#18403158 - 06/11/13 01:31 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just threw the verm+brf in, i read that after the myc sets that it resists to contam, the other cakes are ok its just this one that i had to pick up so i could move it to another box in another room, i did grab the cake thou, it doesnt look like powder, like mold usually looks or green/black dots, it looks like the myc changed color. Im watching for the first time mushrooms growing live and its awesome!! Even if i fail with this one, next one will be a monotub. Im constantly opening the lid to see the little change every 2-3h. :X
theres a small mushroom with a bit skin peeling is that a sign of abortion?
I'll try to get better quality images next time, my phone sucks
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto]
#18412380 - 06/13/13 06:47 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is the membrane open? I was hoping to see skin peeling from it, but its just open without any skin peeled.






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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto]
#18412464 - 06/13/13 07:31 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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 Great job bro! Those look nice. It's easier to PM someone than keep posting back and forth. Although I can see you really don't need any help. Peace!
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: hyperjump69]
#18412808 - 06/13/13 09:57 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Should i harvest them now? i dont see the membrane
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Re: First time growing shrooms [Re: Terramoto]
#18413226 - 06/13/13 11:59 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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harvest those ones
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