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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: sansa]
    #18181355 - 04/28/13 01:35 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Mycelium itself can't exist without having first consumed some nutrients in order to convert from spores into mycelium, so of course mycelium needs some nutritional "core" to exist, just like any other living thing.



How would mycelium consume food to turn from spores into mycelium? :laugh2:

Ever germinated spores on water-only agar? Evidently not…

Seeds, same… they have enough to start themselves. Just need water to expand… at first.

Different matter entirely on a macro scale.

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However your claim that the nutrients have to come from grains is not reflected by reality.



Oh, is that my claim? I don't remember making such a claim.

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Agar has almost zero nutrients compared to grains and yet you can dump an agar wedge on compost or manure and get shrooms.



:lol:

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You ask about this mythical concept you call "non-nutrient culture". I'm assuming you're pulling this term out of thin air for the sake of muddying the discussion since any culture is going to have at least some nutes in it.



So does vermiculite. Can't grow mushrooms with it alone.
It's quite possible and easy to reduce nutrient content in a culture to a practical zilch. Time is the main tool.

See what your assumptions get you.

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You don't need to take everything so personally, BTW.



It's not personal. It's factual.
You're in my thread, I'm responding. You genuinely look like an idiot to me. I don't have to take anything personally to have that perception.


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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: Violet]
    #18181443 - 04/28/13 01:51 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

"water-only agar"... If something is "water-only" wouldn't that simply make it "water"? You have a talent for inventing creative new terms to dodge the facts.

I've never inoculated "water", but I have inoculated "agar", and like I said, in the wild nature inoculates both compost and manure all the time with spores. It's been doing it long since before you or I were born and will continue to do do long after the shroomery has dried up and blown away with the tumble weeds.

All I was pointing out is that the natural process is to simply go from manure+spores to mycelium and shrooms. This is a fact completely above debate.

You said shrooms can't grow on just manure without other stuff involved, but nature proves you wrong.

I see you didn't bother to reply to the fact that I pointed out that you can inoculate straw with LC. You can also inoculate manure and compost with LC. Basically grains are not needed at any point.

As for taking things personally, where exactly are your comments about me being an "idiot" directed if not at me personally?

Since we're on the subject of personal evaluations, have you ever noticed the huge discrepancy between your sig and the way you interact with people in the forum? Your sig is a overflowing with flowery new age stuff about love and light and oneness with the universe, but in your threads even the slightest hint of a disagreement is met with militancy and name calling.

If you want to be like that, be my guest. But don't think your fooling anyone with your fake love and light veneer.

I'm not bothering to read this thread any more, so there's no need to reply to this. Good luck and try not to kill yourself in the walk-in electrocution chamber you want everyone to build.

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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: sansa]
    #18181484 - 04/28/13 02:01 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Sansa, go away, stay away.
Read-up big time, and try doing all the things you're saying and matching them up against the actualities here presented. You're clearly not on a level of understanding where you can debate this on the level you're wanting to.

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"water-only agar"... If something is "water-only" wouldn't that simply make it "water"? You have a talent for inventing creative new terms to dodge the facts.



Agar is not a nutritive source. It gelatinizes the water.

Your attempts to make me look foolish are backfiring miserably.

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in the wild nature inoculates both compost and manure all the time with spores. It's been doing it long since before you or I were born and will continue to do do long after the shroomery has dried up and blown away with the tumble weeds.



FUKKEN DUH
This doesn't prove me wrong, just proves that you are incapable of understanding the clarifications made here several times.

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You said shrooms can't grow on just manure without other stuff involved, but nature proves you wrong.



Did I say that? I don't remember saying that.
There you go again. You've obviously not read what I'm really saying, OR What all the other bright mycological minds in this thread that have posted before you have failed to understand you grasp perfectly, solely beyond parallel.

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I see you didn't bother to reply to the fact that I pointed out that you can inoculate straw with LC. You can also inoculate manure and compost with LC.



Actually I've been replying to this "fact" the whole time. You're a moron.

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As for taking things personally, where exactly are your comments about me being an "idiot" directed if not at me personally?



Oh they're definitely directed at you personally.
That doesn't mean I'm taking any of your foolishness to heart and lashing at you out of emotional attachment.
There you go again. I specifically said I wasn't calling you an idiot, just that you look like one, more and more so by the moment.

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Since we're on the subject of personal evaluations, have you ever noticed the huge discrepancy between your sig and the way you interact with people in the forum? Your sig is a overflowing with flowery new age stuff about love and light and oneness with the universe, but in your threads even the slightest hint of a disagreement is met with militancy and name calling.
If you want to be like that, be my guest. But don't think your fooling anyone with your fake love and light veneer.



Sansa, as 1=1, we all see our own reflections.
It's clear here what you see in your reflection, what you create in your perception.
There is no conflict in my actions, only your chosen perception of conflict with me and the selection to view mutual exclusivity where there is none.

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If you want to be like that, be my guest. But don't think your fooling anyone with your fake love and light veneer.
I'm not bothering to read this thread any more, so there's no need to reply to this. Good luck and try not to kill yourself in the walk-in electrocution chamber you want everyone to build.



:laugh2:
Thanks
:bye:


P.S. Can't help but note, despite the over 80+ peeps on this forum you spontaneously put on ignore, that after the near-constant BS you try to muck up with me that you have STILL not put me on ignore, even after storming out butthurt! Whoo! What's that say, eh?


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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: Violet]
    #18181500 - 04/28/13 02:06 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Sansa, go away, stay away.
:bye:



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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: Violet]
    #18181714 - 04/28/13 02:49 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Well I know in my butthurtness I said I wasn't coming back but I came across this RR post and figured I'd post it. It's RR describing how to inoculate manure with spores:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/9957268

"Two ways I know will work.  First is to lift a cow pie and gently insert a piece of a print into the manure/grass interface and then set the pie back down just like it was.  The other way is to put several prints into the water trough.
RR"

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in the wild nature inoculates both compost and manure all the time with spores. It's been doing it long since before you or I were born and will continue to do do long after the shroomery has dried up and blown away with the tumble weeds.





FUKKEN DUH
This doesn't prove me wrong, just proves that you are incapable of understanding the clarifications made here several times.



Well, you said mycelium can't take to manure without a "nutritional core". You're wrong but far too bullheaded to admit it. I suppose the difference between you and me is that I am not quite so bullheaded that I would expect I will ever get you to admit a mistake.

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P.S. Can't help but note, despite the over 80+ peeps on this forum you spontaneously put on ignore, that after the near-constant BS you try to muck up with me that you have STILL not put me on ignore, even after storming out butthurt! Whoo! What's that say, eh?




I ignore people who post things that are clearly wrong and which might cause me to waste time trying their other tek ideas which are as likely to be flawed as their wrong ideas.

So far the things I've identified that you're wrong about are relatively irrelevant compared to the interesting approach with your containers, mainly because you've got the pictures to keep me interested. (With the exception of the electrocution chamber. I'll take my own approach on that one.)

And nothing I've posted to you is BS, it's just that you lack the ability to take any form of criticism. Your refusal to use fans made for high humidity or a GFI being a prime example. You apparently think I suggest that just to be an asshole when in fact your walk in FC would be against the fire code of any civilized country.

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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: sansa]
    #18181763 - 04/28/13 03:01 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Well I know in my butthurtness I said I wasn't coming back



Should have stopped there. Your quote STILL DOES NOT PROVE MY TRUE POINT WRONG, only what you wrongly THINK is my point. He's putting the spores in natural conditions.

If I were saying what you KEEP THINKING I'm saying, sure, you'd have proved me wrong. Instead you've only proved your stubbornness and borderline ignorance.

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So far the things I've identified that you're wrong about are relatively irrelevant



Don't lie to yourself, you've not truly identified any such things, only refused to see the clarifications that make your perception erroneous.

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sansa said:
nothing I've posted to you is BS, it's just that you lack the ability to take any form of criticism.
You're wrong but far too bullheaded to admit it. I suppose the difference between you and me is that I am not quite so bullheaded that I would expect I will ever get you to admit a mistake.



Of course you don't think your posts are BS, of course you think you're right and I'm wrong, of course you think it's me with said inability but not you.

When I'm ACTUALLY proven wrong, I see such, and adjust. You've not shown me wrong about a thing. You have shown lots about yourself however.

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sansa said:
in the wild nature inoculates both compost and manure all the time with spores. It's been doing it long since before you or I were born and will continue to do do long after the shroomery has dried up and blown away with the tumble weeds.



FUKKEN DUH
This doesn't prove me wrong, just proves that you are incapable of understanding the clarifications made here several times.



Well, you said mycelium can't take to manure without a "nutritional core".



Cultivation conditions.
You cannot take my statements out-of-context, put them in an apparent blanketed state, and pretend I'm wrong after YOU have done so in your mind. Well I suppose you can, but not without looking like an idiot, hence you look like an idiot.

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I'm not bothering to read this thread any more, so there's no need to reply to this. Good luck and try not to kill yourself


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Sansa, go away, stay away.
Read-up big time, and try doing all the things you're saying and matching them up against the actualities here presented. You're clearly not on a level of understanding where you can debate this on the level you're wanting to.


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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: Violet]
    #18182501 - 04/28/13 06:03 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I want to say something about this stupid debate over poo but I hate feeding into stuff.

I just think its silly, The thread is about grass seed.  bah.

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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: Violet]
    #18182550 - 04/28/13 06:16 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

My view of cultivation mycology

Here's my perception of Psilocybe cultivation, in a nutshell:
Symbiotically-aided conversion of food matter's nutrition into psychoactive alkaloid, and extraction thereof.


That is, the mycelium is our teammate and tool in chemically converting a variety of common organic elements, and even extracts it for us in easily usable forms.

(In return it gets a good meal (the better the meal, the better the job!) and a nice jizz, the opportunity to reproduce in the trust that we'll give them another since our conditions don't give it the same opportunity as it has in nature)


If you read on the internet one day that a new and more efficient method of extraction for your favourite whatever had been developed, would you not use it?
One that converted and extracted the material's maximum ability?
One that added to such content and ability?
Uses less electricity?
Uses fewer materials?
Spreads further?
Takes less time?
Less effort?
Less danger?
Less space?
Low failure rate and loss?


Then, why wouldn't you work with cultures, to find the best/preferred teammate?
Wouldn't you use only nutrient-rich subs?
Wouldn't you supplement those subs with more convertible materials?
Wouldn't you consolidate?
Wouldn't you take multiple flushes?
Wouldn't you use plastic? Small cookers?
Wouldn't you use seed?
Wouldn't you work sterile?

Wouldn't you do the same thing I'm doing?
It's sure why I'm doing it…


"Potency is irrelevant."
Psh, conversion/extract success percentage is irrelevant?!
Why do it at all then?


When grows are inefficient and ineffective, we all lose. People that seem totally unrelated lose too, if you widen your perspective enough. Oh to count the ways…
I have a dream of a greater earth, and no such subject is too trivial, nor any modification that gets the job done more for less.


Beyond the most primitive of monkey grow tactics... Cultivating IS culturing.
Face it, indoor cultivation is lab work.
You can skimp on the lab work by growing multi-spore with syringes "spawning" to pasteurized "bulk" substrates. You could even skimp on the lab work and do this very tek with spore syringes and poly-fil modded lids… It's still about bio genetics, sterility, metabolic efficiency, etc. etc. You're doing a pathetic extraction, content in your lack of awareness of thus, accepting what you can get cheerfully & joyfully! Nothing wrong with that, but why stop there? If you're so glad to get what you got, imagine what you could do with just a tad more information!

You can view it like a south-eastern American farmer in plaid and overalls if you want, but you're not paying attention to the details or truly knowing the organism; your selections/modifications in techniques will be the result of running away from negative stimuli: Contams and failure.


To me, most of these other grow techniques just seem to run away from negative stimuli, accepting what positive stimuli might so happen to come anyway.
Cmon, peeps, let's have some motivation towards positive stimuli, not just fear of negative!


Why fear contams? Too much worrying... If you really worry of contams then do what you have to do to take the concern off your mind. It's so easy to never fear them again.
I used to be so adverse to contamination. I ran from it with technique due to so many losses. Switching to all-sterile work alleviated the fear and the running, allowing my mind and work to go towards positive stimuli instead of just away from negative!

Trust me… Two busy people, two dogs, plants, more, in an OLD small house out amongst the rivers and mountains… my contam situation couldn't be worse, but my success rate couldn't hardly be better after switching tech.

Simply with the proper use of a pressure cooker and a still-air-box / glovebox/ sterile airflow cabinet (my choice), and by eliminating all unsterile environs from your work until fruiting condition (no more colonizing in totes or trays) you eliminate gambles and finger-crossing.
Then you can get to the real good stuff. It's how I got to this!


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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: Violet]
    #18182822 - 04/28/13 07:22 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: thelanzii]
    #18183136 - 04/28/13 08:17 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I love this thread. 

:trollersgonnatroll:

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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: thelanzii]
    #18183683 - 04/28/13 09:24 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

:trollersgonnatroll: indeed!
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Nemmies said:

had to use bird seed because my local store wont have any rye grass in for like 10 days.  Kinda frustrating but whatever.  I also just got raped by trich, 2 of my monotubs down the drain.  I am hoping I will like this method.  The pros seem to be there.



Cool stuff Nemmies.
Birdseed is fine! I worked into this tech using rye myself.

I feel you on the mono. Sad day. My initial mono practice started out okay before becoming what I thought was amazing at the time but went horridly downhill after a move. Was getting the same stuff as you. Had to change. This is the result!

More people than ya think get monotub contams. I suspect that a micron of total contam cases get posted here compared to the same proportion of successes, and that monotubs are far more susceptible to contamination than they're given credit for pending environment, and requiring some pretty wild traditions in running away from negative stimuli to get into a half-decent swing… all the while allowing what contams are still experienced to ruin entire projects which are already comparably inefficient & ineffective when they work.

It's a clever colonizing container/fruiting chamber hybrid technique, but frankly I think it's harder to master a monotub than this due to all the extra BS of monotubs and how the technique kindof pits you against the optimum instead of for it. I say that we cut out the "monotub" like unwanted fat. Do forgive me if I sound extreme.


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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: Violet]
    #18185655 - 04/29/13 10:04 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I understand that the reason you use the plastic containers serves as a time saver during sterilization however (and im sure this is going to sound retarded), until I'm able to get my hands on some would using 1/2 pint wide mouth jars like one would when doing the BRF Tek be just as sufficient provided the 90 min sterilization time instead? Or perhaps u'd recommend a different size? I only ask as I'd like to use what I've got around for now ya dig?

Just recently ran out of WBS and was considering just grabbing some grass seed instead and playing around with this tek. I'd like to order some of those containers however I work from home so running the stove a bit longer isn't 2 much of an issue in the mean time.

Also, and i don't see why it would at all but considering my lack of experience Id rather ask. I've got some half quarts of WBS just finishing up colonizing that I was wanting to do a G2G on at least 1 of them to make a master jar and then some others I hoped to use as spawn(although Im sure u'r against the idea :-P). There should be no issue with just G2G'ing the WBS into the grass seed then just making my conversion from WBS to RGS like so should there? It'd be nice to just transfer them over, allow them to colonize then fruit them like you're doing here in the tek...

Thanks again for such a in depths looks at not only a different way to do things but for your time, effort, and thoughts. I appreciate you.

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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: Violet]
    #18185930 - 04/29/13 11:15 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Take a deep breath... and relax. It's not worth getting emotional over.

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If I were saying what you KEEP THINKING I'm saying, sure, you'd have proved me wrong. Instead you've only proved your stubbornness and borderline ignorance.




I think you said that "Mycelium will not take to ... manure, compost ... without a nutritional core." which is false no matter how you interpret it.

And BTW here's a guy who's made manure LCs from spores.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12322029#12322029

Others report success with "straw water / coir water / leaf water / compost tea"

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14197262#14197262

Anyhow, I know you're not persuaded by facts, but I do find it interesting that spores can germinate in low nute environments like that. I originally was just talking about mycelium, but apparently spores work with them as well.

I'm curious if English is your first language? I wonder if that might be a source of the confusion.

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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: sansa]
    #18186373 - 04/29/13 12:42 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)


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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: smurf_master]
    #18186393 - 04/29/13 12:48 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Yes, this is me:
http://www.xkcd.com/386/

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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: sansa]
    #18186397 - 04/29/13 12:49 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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I think you said that "Mycelium will not take to ... manure, compost ... without a nutritional core." which is false no matter how you interpret it.

And BTW here's a guy who's made manure LCs from spores.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12322029#12322029




Just because some random person on the internet said they made an LC from manure doesn't mean they actually did it. While I wouldn't say it's impossible I've never seen anyone have success inoculating straight manure with spores or an liquid culture. It's an exception rather than a rule in cases where people have succeeded and I wouldn't encourage anyone to have high hopes for using that as their growing method.

Let's end the pissing match, shall we? We get it, you disagree.


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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: FooMan]
    #18186682 - 04/29/13 01:55 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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sansa said:
I think you said that "Mycelium will not take to ... manure, compost ... without a nutritional core." which is false no matter how you interpret it.

And BTW here's a guy who's made manure LCs from spores.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12322029#12322029




Just because some random person on the internet said they made an LC from manure doesn't mean they actually did it. While I wouldn't say it's impossible I've never seen anyone have success inoculating straight manure with spores or an liquid culture. It's an exception rather than a rule in cases where people have succeeded and I wouldn't encourage anyone to have high hopes for using that as their growing method.

Let's end the pissing match, shall we? We get it, you disagree.



No.

You can butt out since you didn't read the entire argument which was about violet making the claim that mycelium can't take to manure without some 3rd source of nutes.

I don't know why this is so hard to accept, but mycelium grows on manure just fine. As for spores, which is a new topic, I think I'll give that a shot.

I surely don't expect anyone to believe the pics I take are actually for real. Violet for one will deny all contrary evidence I'm sure.

However, you in particular can save your breath if your intent is to inform me of your current low level of awareness of the state of this argument.

Edited by sansa (04/29/13 02:00 PM)

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    #18186941 - 04/29/13 02:38 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Sure mycelium will grow on manure just fine... after being inoculated with colonized grains. Inoculate some manure with a liquid culture with no grain or other supplements and report back your results. If you have a successful grow via that method I'll happily "butt out". You keep posting random links to things other people have tried with obviously no experience of your own on the topic. Myself and others have tried using straight mycelium (in LC form) on manure with poor results. Are you encouraging people to attempt this, or just trying to make the point that sure, once in a blue moon you'll be able to get straight mycelium to colonize manure?

I'm starting to think you're simply trolling Violet here. Lose the attitude. My response didn't warrant your reply.


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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: FooMan]
    #18187047 - 04/29/13 03:00 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

It's like you don't understand the English language. Which part of this sentence is it that you have a hard time parsing?

"Mycelium will not take to ... manure, compost ... without a nutritional core."

It's simple grammar, where do you find the confusion? Let's break it down into component parts:

1.) "Mycelium " <= Mycelium is what you have after you have germinated spores. There is nothing in this statement about how the mycelium came to be, all it says is "mycelium". Do we agree?

2.) "will not take to " <= when mycelium "takes" to something, it means it's started growing on it, do we agree?

3.) "manure, compost " <= this refers to decomposed shit and plant matter, do we agree?

4.) "without a nutritional core" <= this refers to some 3rd source of nutrition that was not included in the compost or manure.

OK, so the claim she makes is if you have mycelium, and you put it on manure or compost it won't "take" without some 3rd source of nutes. Everyone knows that is false. Period.

5.) Do we agree?

What you don't seem to get is that there is a second statement I made which is that it's even possible (although rarely done except in nature) to go from spores to mycelium on manure. This is true although it's probably not something I would rely on.

The only reason I even mentioned it was because she had challenged me with this "Have you ever tried inoculating manure, compost, straw, or vermiculite with non-nutrient culture to grow mushrooms? How did it go? Have you ever seen anyone try such a thing with success?"

Now you're up to speed on the argument since you were too lazy to read the entire thing. Now at least if you want to butt in you can do so and at least know what the argument is about.

If you want to debate it, tell me which numbered line you have a hard time understanding and I'll clarify. Otherwise don't waste my time with a reply.

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    #18187335 - 04/29/13 03:52 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)



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