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Offlinechrissake
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Just created petition on whitehouse.gov for withdrawal of consent to be governed.
    #18149036 - 04/22/13 10:25 AM (11 years, 29 days ago)

http://wh.gov/tDl7

If you agree with this, and want to get the government out of your lives (or want to spread the idea), please sign this petition, and circulate it to other friendly communities that you may be part of.

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Re: Just created petition on whitehouse.gov for withdrawal of consent to be governed. [Re: chrissake]
    #18149192 - 04/22/13 11:01 AM (11 years, 29 days ago)

Government doesn't give a shit about online petitions.

Pick up the phone and call.

Pick up a pen and write.

Just don't waste your time on an online petition and then get warm fuzzies because you did "spmething".

Do something that matters.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Just created petition on whitehouse.gov for withdrawal of consent to be governed. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18149489 - 04/22/13 12:19 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

Whats the difference? I do all of those things, and none of it seems to make a difference, so why not exhaust all possible avenues? One thing I am certain of is that if these ideas keep getting shared, no matter what method is used, those ideas will gain momentum. If I had my way, you and I and the rest of our fellow citizens would use non-violent "force", through blockades, etc, to initiate change. But, damn near everyone is a pussy. I also walk around town carrying picket signs, to initiate conversation with strangers.

Phone calls almost never get through to who they are intended for, and mail/emails are easily cycled right into the trash. I don't understand how you get off saying that a public petition on a government website with thousands or even hundreds of thousands of signatures would be less effective than you're idea of "something", which to me is about as effective as writing or calling a brick wall.

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Re: Just created petition on whitehouse.gov for withdrawal of consent to be governed. [Re: chrissake]
    #18150051 - 04/22/13 01:55 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

No-one suggested doing nothing. Merely that online petitions are a waste of time.

Your Online Petition Is Useless
Heather Horn  Aug 12, 2010
Back away from the keyboard. That online petition you're about to sign is "pretty much a sham." Says who? Clay Johnson at InfoVegan, for starters. Johnson is something of a Web organization specialist, having worked on developing the online strategy for both Howard Dean's and Barack Obama's presidential campaigns. "According to the Congressional Management Foundation," writes Johnson, "the House of Representatives got 99,053,399 messages via the Internet in 2004." Your petition really isn't going to get read; the reason organizations try so hard to get you to sign it is that "politicians and advocacy groups value your email address over your voice." In fact:

    It's the great lie of online organizing: that your voice to Congress or your voice to whomever can make a difference. It can, it should, but not through them. Nearly every organization in Washington is focused on one thing--inventing new and interesting ways to get your email address. And they want your email address so that they can ask you for money. The truth is: my.barackobama.com was and still is, the most sophisticated suite of tools designed primarily to capture your email address and ask you for money.

    Online organizers for political groups are trained to recognize "strategic moments"--to find events in the media and in the national narrative that they can use to their advantage. ... The most basic and common method for political organizations to get your email address is via a petition.


So what's a civic-minded person to do? "Skip the advocacy groups," advises Johnson. "If you have something to say to Congress, house.gov gives you a method as does senate.gov." Or, "if you have something to say to Google," or some other corporation, "contact them yourself."


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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