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Re: should i wait to buy my pressure cookers [Re: fastfred]
    #18148326 - 04/22/13 04:05 AM (11 years, 29 days ago)

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It would probably be common sense to wait.  Right now they're looking for other bombs, co-conspirators, etc..






You're absolutely right - It's a very bad time for "shady" people to buy a pressure cookers.

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Re: should i wait to buy my pressure cookers [Re: fastfred]
    #18149059 - 04/22/13 10:30 AM (11 years, 29 days ago)

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It would probably be common sense to wait.  Right now they're looking for other bombs, co-conspirators, etc..

It would be pretty stupid right now to buy pressure cookers, it's not even close to canning season.  Chances are that even in all of Boston there's not more than a few per month sold, and they will have plenty of time to thoroughly check those out.  Besides if THEY are actually looking for PC sales, anybody who phones in a tip on you will get you checked out pretty well.  Everybody in the country knows what happened, so buying a PC out of season is about the dumbest thing you could do right now.

Internet, ebay, local store, MegaMart, whatever... buying a PC will be really suspicious right now.

Don't let retarded opinions here from people with nothing to loose convince you to do something really stupid.


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LOL you're a moron. Serously. I usually don't call people name but such idiocy deserves recognition. People use PC all times during the year. Not only for canning (which can be done year around, not everyone is canning fall harvest) but for general cooking. Preppers have been buying PCs off the shelves. A COUPLE sold in Boston per month? This is laughable. My Walmart in a small hillbilly town in constantly running out of them. Couple per month. LOLOLOL. Anyone who phones a tip about a PC will get investigated? HAHAHA

SMFH. what an idiot.

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Re: should i wait to buy my pressure cookers [Re: Pilz]
    #18149617 - 04/22/13 12:46 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

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LOL you're a moron. Serously. I usually don't call people name but such idiocy deserves recognition. People use PC all times during the year. Not only for canning (which can be done year around, not everyone is canning fall harvest) but for general cooking. Preppers have been buying PCs off the shelves. A COUPLE sold in Boston per month? This is laughable. My Walmart in a small hillbilly town in constantly running out of them. Couple per month. LOLOLOL. Anyone who phones a tip about a PC will get investigated? HAHAHA

SMFH. what an idiot.




Notice this guy breaking the rules with personal attacks.  Taking the advice of a guy not smart enough to insult my statements or arguments, rather than attacking me personally, is probably not a good idea.

> A COUPLE sold in Boston per month? This is laughable.

This is a logical flaw that many fools fall into.  Because they don't have the common sense to avoid buying what everyone in Boston considers a bomb-making supply, right after a terrorist attack no less, they assume that others are also so foolish.  Creating an imaginary "safety in numbers" scenario based on what other clueless fools might also be doing is a sure way to get busted.

The OP is looking for volume and speed, so he's not looking for little rice-cooker size $20 MegaMart specials.  Those might be doing a quarter or even half of their regular sales volume.  He's talking about larger sized ones that are most often used for canning.

Since it's not canning season and it's constantly on the news as a bomb-making supply, it's going to be very shady to buy one.

Taking stupid risks for no reason is a good way to get busted.  Period.

Get a fucking clue and educate yourself before you start running your mouth.  Google "pressure cooker bomb" for starters.  Click on just a few links and note what you find.

I'll even save you the trouble since educating the ignorant is sometimes worthwhile...

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As it happens, pressure cookers have a nefarious reputation in counterterrorism circles. In 2004, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) was concerned enough about pressure-cooker bombs to issue an alert to federal and state security officials: “A technique commonly taught in Afghan terrorist training camps is the use/conversion of pressure cookers into [improvised explosive devices],” the bulletin warned.




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That bulletin cited several plots from 2002 to 2004 to use pressure-cooker bombs in France, India and Nepal. But more recently there have been at least three other instances of would-be terrorists in the West, all of them Islamic radicals, in possession of pressure cookers for reasons that seemed not to involve having friends over for dinner. One was an Army private linked to the 2009 Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan, who had reportedly been taking bombmaking tips from al-Qaeda’s short-lived (literally) online magazine Inspire and had various weapons and explosives along with his cooking pot. (The magazine reportedly recommended pressure cookers as explosive devices.) A 2010 suicide bomber in Stockholm had rigged a pressure-cooker bomb that failed to detonate. And as a newer DHS warning about the kitchen devices noted, the failed 2010 SUV bomb in New York’s Times Square was a pressure-cooker device containing 120 firecrackers. The same DHS memo refers to a March 2010 bombing with a pressure cooker at a Western Christian aid agency in Pakistan that killed six people.

Counterterrorism officials are surely well aware of these facts and studying any related leads.




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Step-by-step instructions for making pressure cooker bombs were published in an article titled "Make a Bomb in the Kitchen of Your Mom" in the Al-Qaeda-linked Inspire magazine in the summer of 2010, by "The AQ chef".




Read up on the history you probably don't know about, but cops and gov. agencies do...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_cooker_bomb


-There's been at least two major warning memos circulated amongst gov. agencies prior to the attacks.  You can be sure there are plenty more now.

-Pressure cookers are well linked to Al-Qaeda methods and online bomb-making guides.

-PCs were used in or linked to at least 4 recent US terror attacks.  Fort Hood(2009), Times Square(2010), U.S.-based Christian aid group World Vision International(2010), and now Boston(2013).


So there's been 4 major pressure cooker bomb terrorism incidents in the last 5 years.

I don't see how anyone of even moderate intelligence can think that buying a PC right after a major terrorist attack, in the same damn city it happened, is not going to throw up a big fat red flag.

It's highly likely that a shady character buying multiple large pressure cookers, way outside of canning season, at the time and place we're talking about, is going to get reported.  From there you're going right on a watch list, then they're going to investigate you.  Unless the investigation turns up that you're an A+ upstanding canning mom with a farm or large garden you're going to be on that list the rest of your life.

That's just a huge and extremely stupid risk for absolutely no reason.  That someone would call me an idiot for pointing out something so fucking obvious just blows my mind.

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Re: should i wait to buy my pressure cookers [Re: fastfred] * 1
    #18149876 - 04/22/13 01:29 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

Of course DHS knows about PC explosives, the CIA is responsible for teaching al Qaeda all about them when they prepped them for battle against the Soviets.  But being afraid that purchasing 3 of them right now is just paranoia.  You think you'll be watched over it? News flash, you already are bein watched.  Approximately half of all communications in the states are subject to surveillance under the patriot act and it's roving wiretap clause.  This number grows exponentially each year.

By your pressure cookers and quit letting them win the war on your mind.

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Re: should i wait to buy my pressure cookers [Re: fastfred]
    #18149887 - 04/22/13 01:30 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

What Fastfred said. Why chance getting a knock at the door?


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Re: should i wait to buy my pressure cookers [Re: oxana]
    #18149915 - 04/22/13 01:35 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

Frankly, I think you guys are paranoid.

The government is not going to knock down anyone's doors just because they bought a pressure cooker. The bombers could have used anything. Paint cans, metal boxes, anything. Your neighbor might look at you funny if they see you bringing it home (which is doubtful), but aside from that nothing is going to come from it. It's a kitchen utensil. I don't hear you guys saying you should avoid buying nails even though the bombs were filled with nails.

Exactly nothing will happen, it's just a kitchen utensil. No one assumes you're going to stab someone if you buy a good set of knives.

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Re: should i wait to buy my pressure cookers [Re: nooneman]
    #18150202 - 04/22/13 02:16 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

Every last one of these statements:People call shit in all the time.  The cops have nothing better to do than spend your tax money snooping around and harassing citizens of all types.

We have the lowest crime rate in recorded history and the highest number of cops and police funding.

is unsupported.
People? What people would "call it in"? The person you bought it from? The mailman? WHERE would they call it? CIA? FBI? Local police?
Cops don't spend tax money, town/city councils do. If you have ever actually used a law enforcement agency you'd know that they are in fact VERY selective about what they will and will not pursue. "Snooping" ? What does that even mean? Do you think there are people sifting through your mail? Harassing citizens of all types?

Lowest crime in recorded history- not even logically sound- I'm pretty sure grand theft auto was lower a thousand years ago, but I'd like to know where you got your numbers. Highest number of cops (um, no.), those statements don't even make logical sense... what crimes?
Spare time? Piles of cash?!!! WHAT?!!! From municipal to federal I assure you that law enforcement has neither manpower, time,  nor funding in surplus. And every sector of public work has scaled back in the last 10 years.


Instead of making things up provide some evidence to back it up.

And to get back to the main point, who CARES if in the one in a MILLION chance someone questioning you about your purchase. IT'S FOR GROWING MUSHROOMS. The end.

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Re: should i wait to buy my pressure cookers [Re: Franquixote]
    #18150529 - 04/22/13 03:18 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

> Frankly, I think you guys are paranoid.

It's not about being paranoid, it's about being smart vs. being stupid.

> The government is not going to knock down anyone's doors just because they bought a pressure cooker.

Of course not.  They're going to put you on a list and watch you or come to your door and question you.  Either way it's stupid to subject yourself to that when you're doing something illegal.

> The bombers could have used anything. Paint cans, metal boxes, anything.

But they didn't, they used PCs.  The terrorist literature is full of suggestions to use PCs to make your easy-to-get, cheap explosives more powerful.

> I don't hear you guys saying you should avoid buying nails even though the bombs were filled with nails.

Again, nails aren't the subject of inter-agency memos and thousands of news reports about being terrorist related.  Nails aren't out-of-season, nor are they an uncommon purchase.  Your analogy is stupid on its face, and the fact you don't realize this is disturbing.

> Instead of making things up provide some evidence to back it up.

Get a clue.  Why would I cite and support commonly known facts?  Look it up yourself.  I guess I'm giving the generally ignorant about life too much credit.

Violent crime is the lowest it's been since we started keeping records.  All this despite more frequent crime reporting, better record keeping, and more police available to look for crimes and take reports.

If you aren't aware that crime is way down, police spending is way up, and our incarceration rate is the highest in the world... you really need a broad and general education in basic facts.


Sorry to burst your fantasy world bubble, but do a little research and learn something about the world you live in.
Google "US violent crime statistics", "US incarceration rate", "law enforcement budget", "DEA budget", "homeland security budget", "usa police per capita", etc., etc..

Sorry to slap your face with the facts, but you really should know this shit. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
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In the long term, violent crime in the United States has been in decline since colonial times.[9]




Has a politician ever run on a "cut police spending", "soft on crime" platform?
It just doesn't happen.  The crime rate could be zero and a "tough on crime" politician will beat his opponent every time.

Why this is the case and the reasons our political system is so broken is WAY beyond the scope of how much I can educate you in this thread.  But you should really know at least the basic facts and statistics.


It all comes down to the very basic facts of the current situation.  People are afraid of terrorists.  People know that terrorists use pressure cookers in their bombs.  Employees know they don't sell a lot of pressure cookers in the off-season.  They want to stop terrorism.  They want the fame of stopping a terrorist plot.  It's very easy to get your plates and call in a tip.  There is no downside to reporting you and they feel they're doing their patriotic duty.  Cops have a lot of free time.  Gov. agencies have NOTHING ELSE to do but follow tips.

For the average person in Boston right now it would be just plain stupid to buy a pressure cooker.  Worst case scenario you get on a watch list and harassed.  Best case, and you're helping terrorists by making it harder for the cops to catch the real terrorists making PC bombs.

For someone doing something illegal and trying to stay off the radar... it's downright RETARDED.


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Re: should i wait to buy my pressure cookers [Re: fastfred]
    #18151206 - 04/22/13 05:13 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

Ok so I have concluded something from this thread. If your name is MUHAMED or some form thereof you should avoid buying pressure  cookers. If you dabble in websites that talk about causing harm to america or its allies you should avoid buying pressure cookers. If your name is John Smith you are fine to buy pressure cookers.


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Re: should i wait to buy my pressure cookers [Re: fastfred]
    #18151222 - 04/22/13 05:17 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

HAHAHAHA I don't know why I even bother arguing with people like you ... the article YOU posted starts off with a chart CLEARLY showing what you are saying is nonsense and in the first paragraph:

current crime rates are approximately the same as those of the 1960s


NO ONE IS KEEPING LISTS OF PEOPLE BUYING PRESSURE COOKERS lol
in fact, genius, THE GOVERNMENT ISN'T EVEN ALLOWED TO KEEP RECORDS ON WHO OWNS GUNS.

I pity you if you really believe your own nonsense. The "off season" HAHAHAHAHA really dude? Ever hear of stew, because I make it all year long. Pressure cookers aren't even canners you nincompoop. While some canners can be used as pressure cookers they are two completely different things.

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Re: should i wait to buy my pressure cookers [Re: zMan]
    #18151251 - 04/22/13 05:23 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

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If your name is John Smith you are fine to buy pressure cookers.





Unless you grow illegal mushrooms, in which case it would be a real bad idea to buy anything that could result in a knock and talk or garbage searches.


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NO ONE IS KEEPING LISTS OF PEOPLE BUYING PRESSURE COOKERS lol
in fact, genius, THE GOVERNMENT ISN'T EVEN ALLOWED TO KEEP RECORDS ON WHO OWNS GUNS.




Correct.  However if I see some who looks like they aren't into canning buying a pressure cooker and call in a tip, that person will get investigated quite thoroughly.

The tip could come from the cashier, other store customers, store security, etc.

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Re: should i wait to buy my pressure cookers [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18151480 - 04/22/13 06:08 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

True that Allen, OP never stated he was intending on growing cubes. For all we know he might be growing lots of edibles in which case my advice is sound. OP be more clear gosh!


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Re: should i wait to buy my pressure cookers [Re: zMan]
    #18151696 - 04/22/13 06:45 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

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Nice job avoiding all of my points fastfred. Good job acting butthurt and avoiding the rest of my post.

PC can be used for cooking, not just canning. Also preppers are buying them off the shelves. Some of these people are literally canning half of what they cook. There are many sold at my small town's Walmart PER DAY. Ever heard of people growing mushrooms? They use them too FYI. There are over 2k on ebay right now. Anyone who thinks only a couple of PCs are sold per month in Boston this time of the year is a moron, bottomline.

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Re: should i wait to buy my pressure cookers [Re: zMan]
    #18151894 - 04/22/13 07:14 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

:facepalm: All this over a fucking pressure cooker?  Get real folks.


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Re: should i wait to buy my pressure cookers [Re: jjhitman]
    #18151962 - 04/22/13 07:23 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

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:facepalm: All this over a fucking pressure cooker?  Get real folks.




No, that would be silly. It's all over 3 pressure cookers.


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Re: should i wait to buy my pressure cookers [Re: zMan]
    #18152085 - 04/22/13 07:39 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

:rofl:


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Re: should i wait to buy my pressure cookers [Re: jjhitman]
    #18153293 - 04/22/13 11:31 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

> Nice job avoiding all of my points fastfred.

You don't seem to have any points except foolish head-in-the-sand idiocy.

Only RETARDS and terrorists are buying pressure cookers in the off-season mere days after a terrorist PC bomb goes off in their town.  If you think different then you probably fit in one of those categories.

Plain old common sense, apparently not so common here.

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NO ONE IS KEEPING LISTS OF PEOPLE BUYING PRESSURE COOKERS lol
in fact, genius, THE GOVERNMENT ISN'T EVEN ALLOWED TO KEEP RECORDS ON WHO OWNS GUNS.




The government keeps lists of everything.  The FBI is particularly famous for keeping lists.  Read a little history and educate yourself before you spout nonsense.

The gov. kept huge lists of peace protesters for christ sakes.  Reams of names and photographs of people involved in peace organizations.  They used spies to infiltrate organizations and took thousands of photographs of the people peace rallies.  This is well documented and well known to most people with a basic education.

And the government keeps records of ALL gun sales by manufacturers and dealers.  The only thing they aren't allowed to do is compile these into a list, and that's only because of a special law preventing them from doing this, and applies only to guns.

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Pressure cookers aren't even canners you nincompoop. While some canners can be used as pressure cookers they are two completely different things.




A pressure cooker is a canner.  Why are you arguing here when you don't even know what a PC is?

I can't help but be dismayed at the extreme level of ignorance about the basic nature of our society displayed here.  Anyone with an IQ over 60 is going to reconsider buying a PC in the same city as, and just days after, a major terrorist attack using them.

People report all kinds of stupid stuff all the time.  The investigators are getting thousands of tips every day.  Odds are very high that you're going to get reported if you buy a PC in Boston right now.

They don't throw these tips away, they file them and make lists from them.  They'll investigate you and if you're lucky they'll decide you're not worth a follow up.  If they don't like your answers or what they find they'll continue to investigate you.  Either way you're on a list of suspicious people buying potential bomb making supplies for the rest of your life.

If you think all that is going to make your life easier then go ahead.  Please don't post here crying about how you get pulled aside for extra scrutiny every time you get on a plane.


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Re: should i wait to buy my pressure cookers [Re: fastfred]
    #18153529 - 04/23/13 12:58 AM (11 years, 29 days ago)

Bull shit...  there is a paper chase they can , But for them to do an investigation on every possible thing that could be used as a bomb is a very stupid idea.  If there was a pressure cooker bombing unsolved... yes there would be an investigation.      So when you buy your pressure cooker buy some jars also and dont look like a paranoid killer.  Smfh...


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Re: should i wait to buy my pressure cookers [Re: jjhitman]
    #18153556 - 04/23/13 01:12 AM (11 years, 29 days ago)

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Bull shit...  there is a paper chase they can , But for them to do an investigation on every possible thing that could be used as a bomb is a very stupid idea.  If there was a pressure cooker bombing unsolved... yes there would be an investigation.      So when you buy your pressure cooker buy some jars also and dont look like a paranoid killer.  Smfh...





This.

And if you're really worried about red flags, and taking your paranoia to this level, what the hell are you doing on a public forum?  NSA has a data center in Utah that collects alllll packets going out of alllll major ISPs in America.  You know what this means?  Your proxy doesn't do shit.  Your tor connection doesn't do shit.  They have all the packets they need coming from the backend of the server.

Even if they were monitoring sales of pressure cookers, all they would do is run a query on your online profile.  If you don't participate in Jihadist/militant/extremist forums that do nothing but hate on America and dream up their terrorist plots,  they're probably not going to give a shit what you do with your pressure cookers.

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Re: should i wait to buy my pressure cookers [Re: fastfred]
    #18153560 - 04/23/13 01:16 AM (11 years, 29 days ago)

I find it odd that you resort to subtly or overtly insulting people who don't agree with you.

You know how many PCs are sold in the US every day? How about just on Amazon alone? Or through walmart, every day? None of those people will get a knock and talk. None of them will be placed on watch lists. The government absolutely will not investigate a single person who buys a PC. Not a single one. It's not about "smart people" and "stupid people." It's about being realistic.

Your idea that the government is keeping "lists of everything" makes me think that this belongs in the conspiracy forum more than security and safety.

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