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Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving?
    #18139950 - 04/20/13 11:48 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

What would one do if someone sent them a package that had stuff they didn't want, illegal stuff? How do they not receive it???

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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18140045 - 04/20/13 12:13 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Why would anyone not want illegal stuff?

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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: loginname1]
    #18140047 - 04/20/13 12:15 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

But I guess you could tell them not to send it to you.

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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: loginname1] * 1
    #18140050 - 04/20/13 12:15 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Take your mailbox out of the ground and bring it in your house.

Than when the mailman comes to your door with the package, refuse to accept it.

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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #18140110 - 04/20/13 12:31 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Forward it to me?

I'll dispose of it for you. :smile:


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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: 10KOysters]
    #18140665 - 04/20/13 03:11 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Its too late to tell them not to send it, they just told me they already sent it. I was trading plants on a botanical trading site and after my package was received, they sent it out without clarifying with me what I would get in return and on top of legal plants was sent 2 khat plants. I understand this was prob in good heart but I would DEFINITELY not have wanted the khat plants. What do I do? I am 18 but live at home still, I don't want myself or anyone to get fucked.

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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18140671 - 04/20/13 03:12 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Don't worry about it, khat plants don't look like drugs.

I have a couple that are a few years old, they are doing really well.

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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18140695 - 04/20/13 03:17 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Alright, what would happen if it were found though?

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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18140744 - 04/20/13 03:29 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Like how do you "return to sender" or whatever,

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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18141135 - 04/20/13 05:20 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Absolutely nothing will come of this so don't worry. The only time they ever prosecute for khat is when large quantities are being imported into the country. Enjoy your plants and grow them out.


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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #18142716 - 04/21/13 12:21 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Live khat plants probably aren't illegal anyways, and there's zero chance of ever getting busted unless they're labeled in big letters all over the box AND on a label tied around the actual plants "illegal khat plant material".  Even then, unless they also included color photos, botanical information, and citations of whatever law might make them illegal, the chances are very slim of any problem.

If you really want to be an ass and refuse the package you just write "Return to Sender" on the package and put it back in the mail box.

Essentially you'd just be tripling your (almost nonexistant) chances of trouble.  If you did that to me and it caused a problem, I'd claim you were scamming the PO of postage AND mailing ME the illegal drugs.

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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: fastfred]
    #18144856 - 04/21/13 01:56 PM (11 years, 30 days ago)

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Live khat plants probably aren't illegal anyways, and there's zero chance of ever getting busted unless they're labeled in big letters all over the box AND on a label tied around the actual plants "illegal khat plant material".






I do not agree with this. I believe the first statement is flat-out wrong. I have read about khat busts on the DEA site. It's not a huge or common item of concern for them, but I believe a khat plant in any form is illegal.

And I wouldn't say there is "zero" chance. However, if it's interstate and not passing through customs, I'd say your chances at staying safe aren't bad.

Damn. Not to sound...whatever... but I'd suck a dick for some live khat plants.

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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #18145786 - 04/21/13 04:58 PM (11 years, 30 days ago)

> I have read about khat busts on the DEA site.

Yeah, big boxes of cut up plants.  Not houseplant type khat.  I said "probably" because we don't know what state the OP is in, and I've never seen any law that live plants are illegal.

When the prosecutor is pushing felony charges on some poor kid and whips out this potted houseplant, and the kid says it's just a random unidentified houseplant some guy sent him... the jury is just going to laugh.

You really think they're going to go through hours of expert botanical testimony, pictures, diagrams, charts, and test results just to potentially convince the jury that somehow this is technically illegal?  All just to be laughed at when then whip out a standard looking houseplant?

I don't know anybody who would convict on this, let alone 12.

All sorts of things are technically illegal but NEVER prosecuted or enforced.  Add to that the 1 in 1,000,000 chance that the package will be search and the searcher will happen to be a botanical expert or former khat addict.

That's why I say it's foolish to worry about.


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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: fastfred]
    #18146247 - 04/21/13 06:27 PM (11 years, 30 days ago)

>That's why I say it's foolish to worry about.

Agreed


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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #18147134 - 04/21/13 09:54 PM (11 years, 30 days ago)

Alright, so how could you tell if a controlled delivery was occurring? I don't think anything will happen as you all have said, but I have been feeling extremely paranoid lately for some reason, maybe due to some new medication I've been taking... Idk..

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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18147549 - 04/21/13 11:53 PM (11 years, 30 days ago)

The whole idea with a controlled delivery is that you wouldn't know it's happening.

Seems you don't have much experience with the system.  They don't give two shits about this sort of thing.  It's worth no points to them and is unlikely to be a good case for them.  Cops want big busts and open and shut cases, this would be neither.

Some people here say to bring the package inside and write "Return to Sender" on it and leave it by the door for a day or two.  I think that's pretty good advice.


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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: fastfred]
    #18148446 - 04/22/13 05:30 AM (11 years, 29 days ago)

Alright cool. I feel a lot better now. Thanks guys.

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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18149591 - 04/22/13 12:42 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

So I received it mailman didn't ring doorbell or anything, I wrote refused and brought it to the mailbox. If I leave it wait there for a while and it's still there is it safe to open?

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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18149677 - 04/22/13 12:56 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

Well, you're supposed to write "Return to Sender", writing something odd on the package who knows what the PO would do with it.  And you should have brought it inside since if anyone's watching you they know you didn't take the bait yet.

Just take off your tinfoil hat and enjoy the package.

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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: fastfred]
    #18149763 - 04/22/13 01:08 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

Oh I wrote both. Man so if they are watching me I need to bring it in.. Alright.

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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18149829 - 04/22/13 01:20 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

If by some strange miracle they actually are trying to bust you... imagine their surprise when they bust in to find an unopened package with "return to sender" on it.  Whatever long shot at a case against you they might have had will be long gone.


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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: fastfred]
    #18149853 - 04/22/13 01:25 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

Its better to leave it in the mailbox untouched. Then you scout the neighborhood later and make sure they aren't staking it out. After you are sure you bring it in. But its ok so don't worry about it this time, next time do all that.


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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #18150306 - 04/22/13 02:38 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

Your best bet is to immediately disassociate yourself with the package.  Do that by writing return to sender on it and bringing it in.

If you just leave it then they'll just wait.  Best bet is to disassociate yourself from it while not giving them any clue their delivery is not going right.

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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: fastfred] * 1
    #18150591 - 04/22/13 03:31 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

If you bring it inside they may take that as a signal to bust in. When its in the mailbox its not in your possession. After you take it in, it is. You can argue you didn't know what was in it and if its not opened, you may win that argument. But consider this, if you have anything else in your house that could be incriminating, they can use that against you even if the package does not work out. They have devices they put into packages that indicate when they are opened.

Leaving it outside is refusing to play the game their way. You go out for a walk, check out everything in the area and if you are at all observant you will spot any stakeout. It may be a car or van you havent' seen before with people sitting in it or with the windows blacked out. It may be people pretending to work on a  manhole wearing those bright jackets street workers wear. They can't keep it up forever, they do not have the resources.

Once they see you aren't going to get your mail or have looked in the box and not taken it out, most likely they will go with plan b which may be to go to the door and ask you questions. Answer that you were not expecting such a package and do not know the sender. If they want it hand it over with no argument. Refuse to let them in without a warrant. Any warrant they have will likely be conditional on you taking possession of the package in some way. They may ask you to sign for it in the first place. If you know your package requires no sig, refuse to sign. Leave it in the box until after dark and after checking everything out and you should be good to go.


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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #18150775 - 04/22/13 04:06 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

> If you bring it inside they may take that as a signal to bust in.

That's the plan.  Get the shit over with right way rather than play their game and deal with the bullshit.

This OP seems to have nothing to hide, so on the off-chance there is a problem he's best off to deal with it right away.

> They have devices they put into packages that indicate when they are opened.

That's your tinfoil hat talking.  On a controlled delivery they wait until they think they can get you with possession, then bust in.  They don't tamper with the package, which generally destroys their case.

You give them too much credit, and suggest foolish and pointless extremes that just aren't logical from a LEO point of view.

Glad to see you're still free and kicking though SH.  But you really need to change your sig..

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It pretty obviously doesn't hold any water with our system of government.  The stock market is at record levels, and we are at peak millionaire and billionaire levels in the US.  At the same time the middle-class has shrunk and wages have declined.

It pretty obviously neglects the fact that while our system heavily favors the rich, any scraps the poor happen to get from the system also ends up benefiting the rich.


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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: fastfred]
    #18151391 - 04/22/13 05:49 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

Man I am so paranoid lol.. SO if the packaged arrived at like 3pm and it's 7:50 and I left at 3:30 and got back recently nothing should happen? If its still there at Like 6am I should be fine right?

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    #18151740 - 04/22/13 06:51 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

Open the box and let your plants get some sun!!!  They are pissed because they are in the dark!

But don't put them in full sun, let them acclimate a bit...

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    #18152016 - 04/22/13 07:30 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

FF, if you do a little research you will see i'm correct about the device that signals when a box is opened. They won't do it for a tiny case but they do it when they want to.

>That's the plan.  Get the shit over with right way rather than play their game and deal with the bullshit.
>This OP seems to have nothing to hide, so on the off-chance there is a problem he's best off to deal with it right away.

Letting them into your home is not a good idea. You have no idea what the op may have to hide. Simple things like a scale and baggies can be evidence of dealing. Even if you think your home is clean its better not to take the chance. You gain nothing by them searching and anything they find can be used against you. Your advice makes it easy for le. I say make it hard, make them look stupid and give them nothing to work with. Will you give them your passwords and let them go through your computer too? Might as well get it over.

>It pretty obviously doesn't hold any water with our system of government.

Pretty obviously we are bankrupt and running out of options. Come back and tell me how great things are in a few years. Or do you think we can spend more than we take in and do it forever?


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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #18153113 - 04/22/13 10:54 PM (11 years, 29 days ago)

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Pretty obviously we are bankrupt and running out of options. Come back and tell me how great things are in a few years. Or do you think we can spend more than we take in and do it forever?




The US has the highest GDP in the world, by far.  We've got over twice as much as our nearest rival.

Your doom and gloom prediction sounds just like a rich republican crying about how unfair and tough life is while clearing a few million a year and paying less taxes than the middle class.

Your quote is just silly since it's so obviously not the case.  Our budget problems have nothing to do with the tiny pittance we spend on social services.  Corporate welfare, obscene levels of military spending, multiple wars (including the drug war), Naziesque levels of citizen incarceration, and pork barrel spending (more corporate welfare) are where our money has gone.

Our voters haven't even voted themselves their fair share, let alone brought down the system by voting themselves more than the system can bear.

Replace "voters" with "the rich and powerful" and you might be closer to the truth.  If things don't turn around we might be in trouble in a decade or two, but we're plenty rich enough to deal with it.


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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: fastfred]
    #18155172 - 04/23/13 12:19 PM (11 years, 28 days ago)

>The US has the highest GDP in the world, by far

USA gdp ~ $15t, usa national debt $16.8t. We also have the highest national debt and that does not count unfunded liabilities from ss, medicare/aid, pensions and so on. It also does not count state debt which is high.

You sound like one of those head in the sand left wingers who think the party can go on forever and someone else will pay for it. I said nothing about where the money was spent, you seem to think i'm against social services but you made that up. Stupid wars, yes, and there will be more of them under your hero obama. Next up syria, iran and after that, who knows?

Back to your strategy of letting the cops into your home for a search "get it over with". Do you still think thats a wise move?


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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #18155389 - 04/23/13 01:11 PM (11 years, 28 days ago)

You have a good point there, definitely worth serious consideration.

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Re: Someone sends you a package you didnt agree to receiving? [Re: fastfred]
    #18170424 - 04/26/13 04:35 AM (11 years, 25 days ago)

Paranoia is generally good, but in this case I think it's excessive.

Do you actually think that several DEA agents would be taken off of all sorts of Escobar-level traffic cases, to stake out the kid with the house plant in a package?

The fuck did Agent Johnson and Agent Smith do to deserve such a crappy fate? This is totally not what they signed up for :lol:

Just try to imagine who and where would actually be giving two shits about you receiving those plants, even if by some miracle they found out about it. Unless you fucked&dumped some cop's daughter recently, you should prolly just chill and enjoy


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    #18179517 - 04/28/13 01:06 AM (11 years, 24 days ago)

:nosekiss:

That makes about as much sense as this thread. "Someone" is sending you packages of plants, and just "happened" to "accidentally" include something that might be illegal?

Wtf are you smoking, and can I please have some?

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