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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: PsilyPhily]
    #18134933 - 04/19/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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but if the forest is void of life then no sound is made..




This is wrong.  SPL exists whether the ear and brain interpret it or not.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18134963 - 04/19/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

That is the vibration I mentioned,
But once again, It is not a sound without the brain to make it into one..

It is just pressure..

Jesus.., Don't try to sound educated just because you have Wikipedia..

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good effort though."

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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: PsilyPhily]
    #18134987 - 04/19/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

wiki fuckin pedia...??:lol:

WTF PHIL?


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18135009 - 04/19/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Don't laugh just because you are uneducated..

You clearly did not get what I have been saying,
Also the tree in the forest is an analogy..

You clearly don't get it but tbh I'm bored of teaching children now so yer..

Does anyone wanna get this back on topic?

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"Well Shulgin, you clearly haven't tried salvia 150X extract,
good effort though."

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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: PsilyPhily] * 1
    #18135070 - 04/19/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Fuck Phil.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18135091 - 04/19/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Uh huh, The exact response I would have expected to get from un-educated brat..

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"Well Shulgin, you clearly haven't tried salvia 150X extract,
good effort though."

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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: PsilyPhily]
    #18135121 - 04/19/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

You're getting all bent out of shape.:shocked:

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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18135159 - 04/19/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Actually I'm not bothered..

I would say however that the thread will get locked if we keep this up so yer,
You win..

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β€” Alexander Shulgin, PiHKAL, 1991
"Well Shulgin, you clearly haven't tried salvia 150X extract,
good effort though."

:mushroom2:Phil.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: PsilyPhily]
    #18135196 - 04/19/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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PsilyPhily said:
That is the vibration I mentioned,
But once again, It is not a sound without the brain to make it into one..

It is just pressure..

Jesus.., Don't try to sound educated just because you have Wikipedia..

:mushroom2:Phil.



It's still a sound wave, the brain doesn't make vibrations into a sound, it just receives and interprets sound. Without a brain to hear sound waves, the sound waves still exist and are felt by the forest.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: JoieDeVivre]
    #18135225 - 04/19/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Ok well the discussion was over like but sure I'l bite..

The brain does make sound out of vibrations..
If it didn't we wouldn't need the bones in our ears..

Yes the sound-waves still exist but not as sound.. Just as a wave..
If there was no device to interpret the waves as audio they remain as just waves..

Everything vibrates and yet we don't say that protons make sound..
For the simple fact that we have no device to receive the audio..

This is really turning into a debate and the fact of the matter is,
We all know the saying and the implications..

People are just arguing because they are behind a screen and have nothing better to do..

You would not know about the tree in a forest analogy if made no sense..

Why do you think it is so well known, If it had no meaning nobody would say it..

:mushroom2:Phil.


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"If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end, of the human experiment."
β€” Alexander Shulgin, PiHKAL, 1991
"Well Shulgin, you clearly haven't tried salvia 150X extract,
good effort though."

:mushroom2:Phil.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: PsilyPhily]
    #18135268 - 04/19/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Why do you think it is so well known, If it had no meaning nobody would say it..




So you think the common answer is 'no' it does not make a sound?
I thought people say it because its obvious that it still does make a sound.
You could measure it with a device.  No ears no brain.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Vaipen]
    #18135755 - 04/19/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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I was showing that bot the atheist and the theist can come to ruthlessness through finding justification in their belief systems. Atheism is a belief system insofar as it is usable as a guide for a way of life. Or perhaps 'the right way of life'.





How is atheism a "belief system"?  The word "atheism" wouldn't even be needed if it weren't for religion.  If everyone around me believed in tooth fairies, then I would want to specify that I am an a-toothfairyest.  Does that mean that "atoothfairyesm" is a belief system as well?  Just because some people believe in things without evidence doesn't mean that everyone does.  I don't really have a belief one way or the other regarding god. It's a non-issue to me, that's why I'm an atheist.  Most atheists say the same thing.

So yes, many non-religious people have found justification for killing people other than religion.  But that doesn't mean that a lack of belief of god is to blame.  Racism, and other irrational, flawed ways of thinking are to blame.


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Edited by clam_dude (04/19/13 02:34 PM)


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Vaipen]
    #18135794 - 04/19/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Vaipen said:
Quote:

JoieDeVivre said:
Intent obviously matters in a situation where you're accusing someone of attacking or trying to belittle you. He was seriously asking because of how many times you've misinterpreted things and asked the same irrelevant and already exhausted questions time and time again.




The amount of times an argument goes back and forth or is repeated or does not come to some conclusion or agreement or gets misinterpreted has no relevance to whether or not a personalism was used. :idea: The idea that when one person or group with an argument repeats their opinion with the other party not accepting that argument does not mean that the first party is 'right by repetition'.

Sorry. I must point out these issues of logic.




Again, maybe you just didn't read the post where I clarified this.  There are opinions and there are facts.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinion regarding atheism.  But that doesn't change what atheism is.  Atheism is a lack of belief in god.  It's not a claim that god is impossible  That's a fact. All of the atheists here, and every one I've ever met, or heard speak, or read, have all said the same thing.  So that's just what atheism is. 

Now we can have a debate about weather or not the position is rational, but that's what the position is.  Teknix insists on saying it's something else. He is misrepresenting the atheistic view.  And even after he has been corrected, he continues to perpetuate the same lies.


Edited by clam_dude (04/19/13 02:42 PM)


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: PsilyPhily] * 1
    #18135811 - 04/19/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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PsilyPhily said:
Don't laugh just because you are uneducated..

You clearly did not get what I have been saying,
Also the tree in the forest is an analogy..

You clearly don't get it but tbh I'm bored of teaching children now so yer..

Does anyone wanna get this back on topic?

:mushroom2:Phil.




Phil, you win the irony contest:  The most claims of educational superiority, along with the silliest statements.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Vaipen]
    #18135838 - 04/19/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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The answer is not yes. If there is no one to hear the tree fall, then no one can really know if there was a sound or not.




This is wrong.  What if you put a tape recorder there? It would pick up the sound right? And so what if the tape recorder picks up the sound and no one hears that?  Or what if another animal hears it? Or a bird? Or nothing? What if only one person hears it, and nobody else knows about it?


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude]
    #18135847 - 04/19/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I thought it was the same as saying something like, 'does a bear shit in the woods?'  No?


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: PsilyPhily]
    #18135852 - 04/19/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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er no..
Sound does not exist without a brain..

Otherwise it is just a vibration..
The brain translates the vibrations the bones in the ear receive into sound..
without a listener there is no sound..

There may be a squirrel in the forest which can hear but if the forest is void of life then no sound is made..


God damn some people are dumb..

:mushroom2:Phil.

Edit: I learned this when I was about 6 and if you are older than 16 and have lived without knowing that then, Well.. I don't know what to say..





According to your own definition, sound is the vibration of particles in the air.  How is this dependent on a brain?

You should be careful calling people dumb saying some of the stuff you say.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18135870 - 04/19/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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I thought it was the same as saying something like, 'does a bear shit in the woods?'  No?




Lol...well it's more of a philosophical riddle, i guess:shrug:  To a lot of people, the answer is not apparently yes.  But since you know that the answer is yes, i can see how you take it like that.  I mean, yeah, of course it makes a sound.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: PsilyPhily] * 1
    #18135881 - 04/19/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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PsilyPhily said:
er no..
Sound does not exist without a brain..

Otherwise it is just a vibration..
The brain translates the vibrations the bones in the ear receive into sound..
without a listener there is no sound..

There may be a squirrel in the forest which can hear but if the forest is void of life then no sound is made..


God damn some people are dumb..

:mushroom2:Phil.

Edit: I learned this when I was about 6 and if you are older than 16 and have lived without knowing that then, Well.. I don't know what to say..





What you seem to miss is that it's not weather it's translated into sound or is at the level of vibration. It's that something physical is happening whether someone is there to notice it or not.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Icelander]
    #18135996 - 04/19/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Even if that is true, there wouldn't be any way to know that or any EVIDENCE for it. You would be relying purely on your intuition.


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