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J. Jack Flash
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 hm. seems somewhat contrary to the eco angle i picked up from the method. that is, wasting food and dumping compost in the landfill. clever idea, tho.
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oxana
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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: anne halonium]
#19410233 - 01/12/14 09:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: this is how ya keep the bottoms of PP5 grain containers, from turning to mush........ and ensuring a good ,fast , no shake needed grow out.

this mod really counts, as it allows FAE, all around perfectly.
is that a green scouring pad you cut into a circle and added to the bottom
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anne halonium
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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: oxana]
#19410283 - 01/12/14 09:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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yes, it keeps the grain off the bottom, and absorbs creamy bottom stuff. done right, it enables a faster grow out of container bottoms.
it sux when a container grows great, then stalls in the bottom. this mod avoids that.
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Violet



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Violet said: disposals.
ahh the biggest problem I have with monos. Sucks (not really city is great) being in a apartment. I don't like leaving my droppings in the community dumpster.
I KNOW! Although I disagree that cities are so great.
Many of these monotub people (especially so many from the south-east) can have compost piles, disposal is little issue for them so they're unable to consider it in the all-inclusive logistics of a technique...
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anne halonium said: disposal of v tek in urban areas is easy.
throw all used cores into a trash bag add some tomatoe sauce and curry powder.....
even if the trash bag is exposed, its simply a exotic dinner experiment gone bad..........
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J. Jack Flash said:
 hm. seems somewhat contrary to the eco angle i picked up from the method. that is, wasting food and dumping compost in the landfill. clever idea, tho.
There's no reason to think it's contrary. The grain sub is entirely eaten. This tek ensures that the spent garbage is like 1/8th the size that it would be with 'bulk' as a watering method.
But there's no reason one couldn't toss these in compost if one has compost to dump them in. I do, mine go in the compost.
Point is I don't PAY FOR and HEAT-TREAT an additional material just for watering that massively increases what I have to dispose of.
This greatly widens disposal options.
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JMcDoogle
A Serious Scholar


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Re: casing [Re: Violet]
#19411489 - 01/13/14 07:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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 Just thought I would chime in... It's been a minute.
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Violet



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Go away with that unwanted and off-topic garbage posting
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spacechildo
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Re: casing [Re: Violet]
#19411534 - 01/13/14 08:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Violet said: Point is I don't PAY FOR and HEAT-TREAT an additional material just for watering that massively increases what I have to dispose of.
Why can't you do a side-by-side isolate test and prove this once and for all. with a decent grow log. since Pasty's didn't cut it for ya since he's not skilled enough in this tek yet.
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Violet



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spacechildo said: Why can't you do a side-by-side isolate test and prove this once and for all.
I have. I did it with my 4 major 'bulk' clones shortly after getting into this technique.
I've proved it to myself. I feel I've proven it here with photos of both as well. Past that, Well-known yield values and BE figures prove it's possible, and simple facts such as that cakes absorb bottom-water prove the premise and methodology works. Realizing that grains will realize maximum yields this way is sequitur.
I'm not to be held accountable for that people will refuse to believe facts/evidence in favor of what suits their fancy. It's well known that much if not most of humanity is under such illusions.
But, to answer your question "why can't you", there are Several reasons which I've stated before. Maybe you're speaking about it without having read about it, asking questions already answered... Just one:
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Violet said: How shall I prove this for you? Sure you can eliminate tons of variables, almost all of them even. However, you dead-end at the variable of genes. So it's said, "Use an isolate! That takes the variable of genes out of the equation."
Unfortunately, no it doesn't. Even a single gene provides many variables. Array of metabolic enzymes will cause an isolate to perform better on some substrates than others and these will vary with genes. Its propensity towards behaviors changes, often quite dramatically from one situation to another. Although I would not make this statement as blanketedly as it may initially sound, isolate cultures will behave differently on scenarios as different as these.
Here already is an example that I feel is case-in-point. You saw me testing an isolate I am referring to as 'cream', here it was in its second flush:

Here is that exact same isolate 1st flush on a sterile substrate of 1:1 coir:seed, inoculated with small amount of colonized seed.
 Although this is a very high ratio of seed to "bulk sub" in that block and it has yielded more in its first flush here than 3 containers would in their first flush, it will not come to yield more than those 3 containers would total.
Observe the completely different behavior on this substrate. The mushrooms are different shape, vastly different sizes, giant single mushrooms instead of numerous clusters.
That's one of a few major reasons why Pasty's comparison cannot be as conclusive as cherry-picking haters would like to pretend.
Or, rather... Prove THIS?
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Violet said: Point is I don't PAY FOR and HEAT-TREAT an additional material just for watering that massively increases what I have to dispose of.
Why can't you do a side-by-side isolate test and prove this once and for all.
Prove that I don't pay for and heat-treat additional materials just for watering? How would you like me to prove that it's been over 8 months since I last acquired or used a 'bulk' sub?
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Edited by Violet (01/13/14 08:12 AM)
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spacechildo
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Re: casing [Re: Violet]
#19411585 - 01/13/14 08:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, I meant the "just for watering" part as first answered. How about just doing a side by side with the best iso for bulk and another iso that is the best for pp-cup?
I'd think it would give you great pleasure in showing the pp-cup superiority thru a grow log. I think it might be your only way to get more praises than skeptic looks..
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Violet



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There we go. Now we're talking.
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spacechildo said: I'd think it would give you great pleasure in showing the pp-cup superiority thru a grow log. I think it might be your only way to get more praises than skeptic looks..
I'm gonna address this more practically in a moment, but first:
I don't take pleasure out of superiority. I don't desire to get praises.
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Violet said: I am excited to share my spin on mushroom cultivation! Though I am of course a student as always, I feel it's important for fellow learners to be exposed to more of the options that lay before them just as they lay before me.
With no ego I share this grow philosophy as food for thought to the OnlineMushroomCommunity. I understand that INFORMATION IS FREE and thus joyfully offer what I have learned myself and of others as one.
I take pleasure in sharing, and in improving existence with mankind and the rest of its Earth family. (not to mention some geeky grow talk)
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Violet said: From advice and the prompts to take deeper looks at certain elements of myco process I have modified my approach to symbiosis with the Psilocybe fungi. I have found it to be a modification worth making, and thus worth sharing.
When grows are inefficient and ineffective, we all lose. People that seem totally unrelated lose too, you see if you widen your perspective enough. Oh to count the ways… I dream of a greater earth, and no such subject is too trivial, nor any modification that gets the job done more for less, regardless of what the job is.
I do feel that there are some ways which my technique is "superior" to the techniques I used before which were entirely taught to me by this forum. But I don't feel that it is YIELD that is superior, at least not by much when able to be made so:
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Violet said: If you read on the internet one day that a new and more efficient method of extraction for your favourite whatever had been developed, would you not use it? One that converted and extracted the material's maximum ability?
The superiority is related to efficiency, simplicity, minimalism, and ease of process:
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Violet said: Uses less electricity? Uses fewer materials? Spreads further? Takes less time? Less effort? Less danger? Less space? Low failure rate and loss?
And although the world is always filled with vocal doubters, I've seen my truth right in front of me, and I see it still. For me it is as simple as this:
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Violet said: If you thought 'yes' to some or all of that, then you'll understand why I now do this exclusively.
Honest to God, I think I would have come to understand this tek better more quickly had I learned it first.
Skillsets learned, shortcuts implemented, and priorities arranged as they are naturally for bulk is quite different to how I have them now.
But from the widest overview perspective I have had of both, something which nearly nobody has given themself as I have (yet pretend to a scientific attitude about it! folly!), I've learned which advantages can be accredited to each, and found that more of them and more preferable of them lie in the technique I now share with others and help them to learn.
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spacechildo said: How about just doing a side by side with the best iso for bulk and another iso that is the best for pp-cup?
It's a thought. Although that comparison especially would be Littered by variables with no feasible and agreeable way to adjust for them. But that's not really a bad thing... it is in the variation between the teks that advantages would be found.
There's no good way to adjust for the difference in yield based on difference in energy and materials used... but regardless, the matter of lesser or greater materials or energy expense is easily quantifiable by a mathematical Duh and favors my tek by far.
There's no objective way to compare a person's "time" or "effort" between their differences, nor to apply the relevance of any person's findings to the objective nature of the subject, but there is each person's felt experience when given level ground, and mine has favored my tek by far.
Et cetera, et cetera.
Further, my findings for yield have been exactly as they have been and as I have said and shown thru weighed harvests.
I ask, does anyone believe that I am straight-up lying about my yield? Faking it as shown?
In all of the trollery and muck-rucking, still no one has quite come to say such a thing. For good reason. And I don't think reasonable people would think otherwise about me.
I get my yields. It has its quality.
People can be fallacious. People can be deceptive. I'm not one one of those people.
But for the practical answer to this:
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spacechildo said: - showing the pp-cup superiority thru a grow log. I think it might be your only way to get more praises than skeptic looks..
A short answer (but one not to be misconstrued) is, "I have nothing to prove." I need not burden myself with proving reality to people who insist on finding such proof from one person on the internet. Nor need I pander to idiocy and willful ignorance.
Sometime I may log a group of containers beginning to end. It would be some fun.
But I already find myself spending more time on these forums than I intend to. I've even been considering leaving the forums alone. I've done what I intended to, and my reasons for coming here and then my reasons for staying have not been so much as for a social chat room on the cultivation topic. Besides, most of the people I've encountered here have been plenty less than nice to me, despite my nature, which they ignore in favor of projecting theirs onto me via the naked expression of bare text, being that which they accuse me of by the very act of accusing it and reacting to it.
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Edited by Violet (01/13/14 09:20 AM)
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anne halonium
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try it yourself space childo. the demo is more than enough to get you started.
grow as ya wish, if your happy with your methods fine.
we present new methods, from our experience , and believe they exceed the common teks, on many levels.
if you lack the skill , to try the experiment yourself with confidence, theres not alot anyone can do to really help ya.
peeps are rarely convinced by facts or pictures or reports. jumping thru flaming loops over and over , to convince peeps who cant even pull it off themselves, is a fools errand.
experience, has convinced us. were not obligated to prove and re prove things, to those that are simply in denial due to experience paradigm limits.
seriously, id like to see bulkers prove anything at all.
im of the opinion its a nitrated grass boomer anyway, and NOT a turd boomer by design. and ive never seen anything other than heresey otherwise.
ill suggest, the burden of proof , is on the bulkers to all their claims.
good luck.
* you guys realize, it makes peeps yawn, the constant denial.
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Edited by anne halonium (01/13/14 09:00 AM)
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JMcDoogle
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From an observational standpoint I've come to the realization that violet has a very large set of man-hands.
V-TEK! V-TEK!
On a positive note,
I like all the debates your threads cause, some really good information comes from them!
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Edited by JMcDoogle (01/13/14 03:31 PM)
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Mosey3012



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JMcDoogle said: On a positive note,
I like all the debates your threads cause, some really good information comes from them!
Agreed.
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TwinEclipse
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Hello violet.
I just wanted to chime in on my second grow involving some of your techniques. using 1:1 grass seed to coir. Of course, gypsum, pickling lime, and worm castings were added.
I must say, my first grow using your tek produced some MAD pinsets! The liquid plant food added during the 36 hour hydration of seed really packed a punch to my yield.
Anyway. I am innovating some new techniques...it involves using my plastic containers in a monotub-like terrarium environment. My substrate has been colonizing for over a month. I just finished my setup.
Keep on keeping on Violet
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Edited by TwinEclipse (01/19/14 10:38 AM)
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thelanzii

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The setup seems unnecessary but do you.
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kerberus



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Re: UK container sizes [Re: Violet]
#19447519 - 01/20/14 12:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi Violet
screw top containers here the UK i can get are, 12oz (4wx3h inches)or 21oz (4.5hx3.5w inches) Which would be the best to use for this tek? Could i do this using the smaller container filling it 2 thirds or the larger container filling it a third of the way? Appreciate any feedback as i would like to get the kit ordered
12oz
21oz
If this has been answered my apologies and a point in the right direction would be appreciated. Thank you:)
Edited by kerberus (01/22/14 09:48 AM)
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Violet



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Re: UK container sizes [Re: kerberus]
#19456812 - 01/22/14 10:05 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The 12oz looks too small. I load these up 240-280mL depending on width/height. The 640mL look like they'd be more effective.
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kerberus



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Re: UK container sizes [Re: Violet]
#19456848 - 01/22/14 10:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you. Would i just fill them with 8 fluid oz of prepared brown rice (about a third the way up).
Grass seed over here is quite expensive, how much does the unprepared grass seed weigh to get your containers filled to the 8oz mark? Just so i can determine if it would be cost effective to get some grass seed.
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Violet



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Re: UK container sizes [Re: kerberus]
#19457155 - 01/22/14 11:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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50-60g of dry grass seed hydrates to fill a container with 8oz
May I suggest brown rice.
You can fill a little higher if you like, up to Half your container. May not be entirely as effective per sub but will be effective per container run.
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kerberus



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Re: UK container sizes [Re: Violet]
#19457300 - 01/22/14 12:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Violet said: May not be entirely as effective per sub but will be effective per container run.
Is there formula/ratio i should be aiming for with the sub/container. i.e. diameter (surface area) to depth, amount of substrate. The reason i am asking is that I know from reading here that the PF tek does not work as well with the larger jars. So i am wondering if there is an ideal density/size for colonization in containers for this tek?
I have tried to find the dimensions of the containers you have mentioned in your tek but all i seem to find is package dimensions! Could you let me know your container size please?
Thank you for for your help, i am going to be deciding on container size with the provided info so i can get them ordered in the next couple of days.
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