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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: power Tek with a million reasons [Re: Mosey3012]
    #19050375 - 10/29/13 04:33 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

So do you always have to birth them in a Martha? That seems relatively more expensive, time consuming and more material/space would be needed for that. :frown:

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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: power Tek with a million reasons [Re: Sockadin]
    #19051239 - 10/29/13 10:00 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Nice cluster mosey.
Your grow looks ok to me so far... just way over-loaded. That drastically increases the odds of sidepins.
Especially without strong culturing you're very likely to get results like that when containers are over-loaded and humidity is not a near-constant 100%

Keep working on it! Those should still give you some cheerful results if you keep humidity high. After 1st flush, side-pins won't be as big of a deal since the sides of the cake will have pulled away from the sides of the container and you'll start watering.  At that point you'll find out if the culture will be hardy enough to fruit in the wide-open or if they'll be pathetic since it can't side-pin anymore.  Either way, Cubensis will do what it can!

I responded a bit more in your thread about it.


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So do you always have to birth them in a Martha? That seems relatively more expensive, time consuming and more material/space would be needed for that. :frown:



Did you read the thread?
Right at top of the "fruiting" section it says they can be fruited in anything; shotgun chambers, 'greenhouses', unmodified totes or old 'monos'.  Just about anything works.

Most importantly, you do not 'birth' them!  They are left in their containers, or they'll hardly work!  How else might they be watered?


This isn't from this post, but rather the one I'm building:
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They can fruit in practically any chamber. Shotgun terrariums, hi-humidity "greenhouses" or tents, old monotubs or unmodified totes work great and involve their own subtleties to work with this technique. I've even seen some other solutions used such as fishtanks, large water bottles, plastic storage baggies...

The fruiting condition is steadily high humidity (~90-100% RH, 99-100%RH uncased) and adequate air exchange.

These two factors effect each other but such small cakes tend to favor conditions of controlled air exchange in favor of retained moisture.

Adequate air exchange is typically the problem for mycology grows, but since these substrates are small it is much easier to reach. Watering the cakes instead of re-colonizing additional substrate means that there is not 2-10x the breathing mycelium due to colonized watermass.

The air requirement of a container will vary by how rich the air is with O2 and how heavy with CO2. Different buildings and places build up CO2 differently, varying with inhabitants. Also different genetics will respond more or less healthily with CO2 buildup.




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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: power Tek with a million reasons [Re: Violet]
    #19051506 - 10/29/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Oh that was our misunderstanding. Yeah I guess I didn't mean "Birth" them. I meant when it comes time to fruit, but you answer my question. I can fruit them in the containers in a SGFC then.

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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: power Tek with a million reasons [Re: Sockadin]
    #19064699 - 10/31/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Not to shabby for a first try... Considering im still learning how to set the environment for this up. Seems like I've found where it needs to be now, Thanks for the help on that the ones of you who made a point to comment.




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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: power Tek with a million reasons [Re: Mosey3012]
    #19064719 - 10/31/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

^ looking good.............


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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: power Tek with a million reasons [Re: anne halonium]
    #19074319 - 11/02/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Violet - I haven't posted my results yet, have been experimenting with this Tek so far and I'm getting solid growth so far. Wondering though - using sterile potting soil as a casing, is it not nutritive and could potentially lead to contams, esp. with small pools of standing water when bottom watering? Currently trying this, crossing my fingers!

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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: power Tek with a million reasons [Re: afass]
    #19075224 - 11/02/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Don't sterilize any casing layer! Unless colonized in sterile conditions it's very likely to contaminate. Either pasteurize it or treat it as shown in this thread.


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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: power Tek with a million reasons [Re: Violet]
    #19075332 - 11/02/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

keep in mind,
bottom water negates the need to keep them in dead swamp fog air,
out of fear they will dry out....


so , you can increase FAE with a v-tek grow.
thus discouraging contams.


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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: power Tek with a million reasons [Re: Violet]
    #19075910 - 11/02/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Violet - Sorry, until now I thought pasteurization and sterilization was the same! If pasteurization allows for some microorganisms to survive, wouldn't that open the door to contamination?
I microwaved the soil twice over a 24 hour period..

Anne - Just so I'm clear (Please forgive, this thread is gigantic and easy to miss key details), bottom watering allows me to let the RH drop below saturation? I guess I'm struggling reconcile with those on this board that say to never let standing water persist in a FC.

Thanks to you both!

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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: power Tek with a million reasons [Re: afass]
    #19076891 - 11/02/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Violet - Sorry, until now I thought pasteurization and sterilization was the same! If pasteurization allows for some microorganisms to survive, wouldn't that open the door to contamination?
I microwaved the soil twice over a 24 hour period..



Heat-treatments that leave certain spectra of microorganisms alive do so because those microorganisms do not act as "contaminants", allowing established mycelium to colonize it no problem, but helping to stop any invasive organisms from taking hold.

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Just so I'm clear (Please forgive, this thread is gigantic and easy to miss key details), bottom watering allows me to let the RH drop below saturation? I guess I'm struggling reconcile with those on this board that say to never let standing water persist in a FC.



Bottom-watering indeed reduces humidity worry. It give the substrate moisture to evaporate, and itself evaporates some.

However I would be more tender-footed about the matter. It has been my experience that letting humidity dwindle much or for long, especially with no casing layer, makes full ideal fruiting difficult, especially for multi-spore and even worse for heavy-loaded containers.
Some people I've let attempt grow out a few of my containers have anywhere from NO results to POOR results if they don't keep the humidity high.

As for the standing water thing... this bottom-water is hardly any water and it gets drawn up by the cakes.
Of the hundreds I've done, I can fully assure you, there is nothing to fear with having this standing water.
Otherwise any form of stale stagnant standing water would indeed be inadvisable.


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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: power Tek with a million reasons [Re: Violet]
    #19077016 - 11/02/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

We've long recommended pouring water around the edges of a bulk substrate if it gets dry.  It will absorb the water pretty fast.  This works with cakes too.  Setting in a saucer of water overnight is another way.

The humidity level we really need to be concerned with is the humidity at the pinning surface of the substrate, not the air above which can be considerably lower.
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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: power Tek with a million reasons [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19079544 - 11/03/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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We've long recommended pouring water around the edges of a bulk substrate if it gets dry.  It will absorb the water pretty fast.  This works with cakes too.  Setting in a saucer of water overnight is another way.

RR




then where did all the " stop , drop, dunk, and roll DEC/ dead air fog/ OMG my boomers are drying out/ field capacity, stuff come from over the years?

bottom watering has been known for decades among pros,
why is the general grow public completely clueless on it then?

this tek, essentially uses modern supply and equip,
and enviro handing trix ,
making a grow a "fast PC all grain in a PP5 cup and go " possible.

very oss and oeric, but with 2012 supply.

this tek, presents alot of the obvious.
thats the point .
violet tek, is about a most direct grow.

not all teks are all things to all peeps.
peeps that like lots of fast boomers in plastic cups,
and not interested in alot of water hassles,
welcome, we bottom water.




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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: power Tek with a million reasons [Re: anne halonium]
    #19092007 - 11/05/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks you to all! Right now, my SGC + bottom watering is working quite well! Came home from a three day trip and bingo, I'm loaded with fruits! My first successful grow, and yes, I'd love to move on to isolates since this grow so far has been productive but choppy due to multiculture.

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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: afass]
    #19092127 - 11/05/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Great posts! You have convinced me to try grass seed once again. It's been years since I've tried it and never had good results. We'll see how your tek works out. Thanks for sharing your insights as it's always great when someone posts new ways of doing things that work for them. It helps keep the techniques I use in this hobby fresh and keeps the mind stimulated on the grow side!

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: Violet]
    #19098951 - 11/07/13 03:55 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

All hail Violet!!! I have tried grass seed many times over the years with no positive results. I just finished making my first jars using your prep tek. These are the first grass seed jars that have looked right and had roper moisture distribution. You rock!  Thanks for sharing your knowledge! Can't wait to see how these jars perform!

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: tropidolaemus]
    #19174747 - 11/22/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Some Notes Concerning Number 5 Recyclable Containers, specifically Ziploc vs. Glad

If you are considering trying the little Glad containers, I suggest that you use Ziploc instead. I have gone through MANY containers and the Ziploc containers are better than Glad for a number of reasons.

Here are some notes in regard to Ziploc containers vs. Glad containers:

1. Glad seems to have a quality control issue with their containers. Some lids will not fit on some containers (or any containers). This can lead to uncertain lid tightening, which can lead to collapsed containers after a PC'ing and/or increased contamination. Ziploc containers do not exhibit this problem. The lids in the first batch of Ziploc's I got fit the containers in the last batch I got, and all the others. Ziploc containers always fit the lids surely and snugly. I have not had a single Ziploc container collapse in the PC, but I have recycled at least 20 or more of the Glad containers due to collapse in the PC.

2. Glad containers come with a greasy/oily substance on the outside. I don't know what it is or whether it matters, but I felt I needed to wash all Glad containers to remove the oily stuff. I don't feel the greasy/oily stuff on the Ziploc's and I don't feel the need to wash them before first use.

3. Glad containers are slightly smaller than the Ziplocs. That's no big deal, but the Glad containers have tighter nooks and crannies that are more difficult to clean. The corners of the Glad containers are tighter (more angular, less rounded) and require more effort to fully clean. The Glad *lids* tend to retain material (casing, other stuff) even after a wash and rinse. I had to whack some of the Glad lids on the inside of my sink to get the gunk out, even after washing and rinsing. The Ziploc lids can retain some crud, but not nearly as badly as the Glad containers.

I wish I would have started with Ziploc's instead of switching to them after so many issues with Glad containers. I hope this helps someone avoid Glad problems in the future.

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: Bilge]
    #19174754 - 11/22/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

containers do vary.

i suggest peeps sample sizes, before stocking up.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: anne halonium]
    #19174966 - 11/22/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks Bilge!  Well-put.

I'm a big fan of the Ziploc containers over others. However I've found that certain constructs of "off-brands" are just as good and have some favourable qualities of their own, namely perfect circular roundness, instead of the indents Ziplocs have on both sides.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: Violet]
    #19254819 - 12/10/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

If I could change anything about the Ziploc containers, it would be the indents at the bottom. They don't really hurt anything though. Also, I wish they would stack snugly on top of each other. They are a little wobbly, and I rarely stack past 4 high when I have to carry them.

Anyway, Violet, is it normal to have a couple ml of water on the top of a very consolidated cake? That even after a few weeks of being allowed gas exchange. And is it indicative of overly hydrated grain, or overly consolidated substrates possibly?

Lastly, if loaded with RGS to the one cup line, about how much casing would you recommend? Hard to really tell by the pictures.

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: LungCheeseFungus]
    #19254866 - 12/10/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

If I could change one thing about the Ziplocs it would be the blue lids.  For rows of invitro fruiting under lighting, and for peering in all around, it would be preferable if they were clear.

I don't have much trouble stacking them - as long as they're to stay stable on my shelf, I can easily stack 5-7 high as long as I'm careful when I pick up a stack.
Even if you only stack a few of these it's a plus; you can't really do it with jars.


Some condensation is fine, it may drip onto the subs from the lid or down the sides of the container.
I shake the moisture off when it's time to put the cake to work.

It can be used to observe moisture contents when you have a mind-on understanding of what's going on in there, but otherwise it's more indicative of a constant humidity saturation always condensing against a cooler outer surface, then moving and pooling allowing more humidity to condense in its place,  which is no big deal and doesn't speak directly of water content except that it contains water, lol.



I put quite a thin casing on them.  1/4 inch or a bit more, depending on the casing material itself.
Since the soil preparation I use results in such a fluffy moist casing mine ends up just under half an inch deep on average.


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