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LungCheeseFungus
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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: Violet]
#18744698 - 08/22/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Please, let me interject once again before I am able to post real life experience.
I have to say, THIS is real science. We are not govt or big pharma funded research companies, we do not necessarily have ulterior motives, yet this thread has become and is becoming more of a culmination for hands on independent experience in this relatively new, but what I consider tomorrows norm, TEK. Everything and all BS aside, I love it. Random people having their hand at, and trying to replicate, something either new or that never quiet caught on. It's the "us" of all this that is invaluable.
My only desire is that the reviews of this TEK would be contained to the specific parameters of this TEK, either fertilized or not. Otherwise essentially it isn't the Violet TEK. Of course many methods are adequate, but only one is represented. Anyway, keep all the info coming everyone!
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invitro


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: LungCheeseFungus]
#18757139 - 08/25/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Update to what I posted earlier about different tubs re-colonizing at different rates. I had unfortunately first grown out several jars of myc that were ultra fluffy, they re-colonized quickly when I transferred them to small plastic tubs, they ended up looking like large blobs of cool whip. So when I started more batches, most turned out rhizomorphic, they re-colonized much more slowly but they are the producers of the bunch. The super fluffy ones are basically worthless so far, and they have had the most time to prove themselves.
I have a question about misting, I started misting directly with a regular spray bottle and found that it bruised the myc. So instead I started misting indirectly, hitting the wall 4-5 inches above the myc and letting mist fall down. I think I will try to mist almost straight up and let it fall down gently. Any advice on this? How do you guys do it?
Also, in regards to this statement: You don't even have to drill holes if you fan the tubs out 2-6 times a day, since there's not a ridiculous amount of extra breathing mycelium in them. Doesn't get simpler than that!
I have found that my mushrooms are developing fat stalks and tiny little heads, which indicates lack of fae. I have 105 quart tubs each holding 3 7 quart tubs, each 7 quart is filled roughly up to 2 inches or about 8 quarts of spawn. I put them into a sgfc, seems to have resolved the issue.
Edited by invitro (08/26/13 10:02 AM)
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Violet



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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: invitro]
#18759695 - 08/26/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re-colonizing jars into plastic tubs? I'm not sure you're posting about this tek.
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Edited by Violet (08/26/13 02:07 PM)
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invitro


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: Violet]
#18762300 - 08/27/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am posting about this tek, as explained several weeks ago, I started with grain jars, but decided to give this tek a try, so I spawned them out into platic tubs. Everything else is the same, and you even said this (glass to plastic transfers) was a viable option in your original post if memory serves me.
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TwinEclipse
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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: invitro]
#18762796 - 08/27/13 07:44 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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invitro said: I am posting about this tek, as explained several weeks ago, I started with grain jars, but decided to give this tek a try, so I spawned them out into platic tubs. Everything else is the same, and you even said this (glass to plastic transfers) was a viable option in your original post if memory serves me.
I agree. I had 8 jars packed with substrate that didn't colonize much(20% in 2 months lol).
I put them in 3 containers. Today(a week later) I see plenty of condensation and 80% colonization on 1!
I have more containers with RGS, but I used a refrigerated isolated spore solution from syringe. It really affected the speed of the colonization. I'm JUST starting to see growth on the RGS containers
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Violet



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. •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: invitro]
#18763199 - 08/27/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Going to take a slightly stern angle for a moment – nobody take it personally, it's aimed theoretically.
Some think that straight-casing crumbled grains in some kind of small container is this tek. Some think that their failure to bottom-water other so-so grain grows means that this tek doesn't work. New for those peeps: You're not doing my tek. More news for peeps: If you do this tek and don't get my results without practice, it doesn't mean the tek sucked, it means you (or your cultures) did. Keep trying, get better at it, just like any grow. Does some dude's 3g PF yield debunk the validity of PFtek? No.
A few people have strange motivations or personal dislikes that cause them to attack this tek without experience of it. If you see anyone down-talking this approach as a grow method, ask them for photos of their failed attempts. This will show either their dishonesty or their half-hearted attempt; It should be easy to see did they actually follow the tek, and even then their failure doesn't necessarily mean the tek fails, only that they did. Were I such haters, I'd be wary of declaring I failed at this simple grow 
For every person that doesn't get my results and wants to think the tek doesn't actually do for me what it does, I ask, "how do your reconcile your low yield with my higher yield in the same tek?" I can think of only 3 possible true answers. 1. They didn't actually do this tek. 2. They didn't do it well, with fert grass seed/brown rice, proper conditions, understanding & execution of water dynamic, or good culture. 3. I'm lying about my yield. The reason I "stick to my guns" is because I'm a paid disinformationalist or something 
Bottom-watering small fert grain subs is a hydration alternative to treating & colonizing bulk sub steps. If you don't do it properly, you're not doing this tek, and your failure is your own thus not comparable to a grow with proper water. Try again and do better.
As said before: NO tek takes responsibility of grow success away from the grower.
If it's not as all follows it's not this tek:
- 2-heat-treatment 24+24+hr "ferment" preparation of fert grass seed / brown rice. Loaded into small screw-top pp5 containers.
- Sterilization/inoculation/colonization/consolidation. Wait either at least 3+ weeks total time from inoc. or 2+ weeks of consolidation, whichever occurs first (because if colonization took just 5 days, 2 weeks consolidation could be a bit short)
- Apply 1/4"-1/2" water-saturated & microwave-treated fluffy crumbly casing layer (prep tek in OP) [optional if constant 100% humidity is automated]
- After(/during) first flush, "bottom-watering" by applying clean water into the bottom of the containers, bit at a time. Learning the water dynamic, one applies water as it's drawn. If this is not understood and done fully it will directly reduce the yield.
- Culturing! I have found that cloning from/for this tek makes an even bigger difference in result as it already does with other teks. You wouldn't suspect a success-aspiring agricultural mycologist to grow Shiitake from spore culture would you?
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invitro said: I am posting about this tek, as explained several weeks ago, I started with grain jars, but decided to give this tek a try, so I spawned them out into platic tubs. Everything else is the same, and you even said this (glass to plastic transfers) was a viable option in your original post if memory serves me.
See above. I recall being asked if something like that would work and I supposed it would as long as it was kept clean. Won't dig it up, but I'm sure I mentioned that it's not following the tek per se, and may not achieve the results. It would be closer to a regular crumble-and-case technique but in small containers with intent to bottom-water. It's close, but I definitely wouldn't have proposed it as an option that fits as per the tek - there's nothing about it in OP
-------------------- Intentionally or not, here in mushcult we are purveyors of love culture and enlightenment movement. Let's try to act like it! PODS TEK - Growing Invitro with BRF/verm or Grass Seed containers The simplest, quickest, safest tek! For beginners, culturers, lazy people, stealth lovers, contam haters, and alternative seekers! • Violet's Teks and Posts •
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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: Violet]
#18763733 - 08/27/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok here is my point: the keeping of tubs in a larget tub and just fanning out 2-6 times per day does not seem to work for me. I like this tek overall, I'm not saying it doesn't work, I'm sure it does.
I have pp5 containers of all sizes from smaller to those twist and lock, equal to, and larger than. None of them are fruiting correctly in tubs without holes, they are doing much better in a sgfc. Some of my grains have been double cooked as per your tek, some have not. I'm not concerned about yield at all yet. I just want to see some healthy looking fruits without super shrunken caps, which is what I've gotten so far. I don't have a good isolate yet, my genetics are not so hot overall.
It doesn't matter if I use a twist lock or what kind of grain ferment I used, the mushrooms should not come out with huge fat stems and tiny little caps, that much I know. All the stuff you listed as being part of you 'tek' is important if your trying to achieve yields in comparison to bulk grow but I'm not at that point yet.
There may be specific environmental factors that are different here than where you are that is causing my problem, different humidity levels different co2 levels, temp etc.
Edited by invitro (08/27/13 01:00 PM)
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Violet



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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: invitro]
#18763985 - 08/27/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Only the last part of that post was to you, brother.
I didn't think you were talking only about FAE problem. That doesn't really have anything directly to do with the tek, it's a thing for individual growers. I see threads on here regularly about using hole-less totes for "monos" and several do well even with so much more breathing mycelium. But several don't do well. Certainly the common factor of unmodified tote is not responsible for the differing factors of success. Everyone's environ is different and everyone's grow will go differently regarding providing the proper conditions for them to thrive. Success fruiting in unmodified totes involved variables many people may not consider, such as the CO2 buildup of not only the tote but the room/house it is in. I have no trouble fruiting in unmodified totes. If I did have trouble it would be possible that doing something differently (eg. keeping the room's air fresh) could help it. Getting air-starved mushrooms in such a fruiting chamber doesn't mean that specifically the chamber doesn't work, it just means that all factors aren't coming together nicely enough. If you'd like to make unmodified totes work, try some other things with them. If not, keep using sgfc/'mono'/greenhouse/whatever suits you fine.
-------------------- Intentionally or not, here in mushcult we are purveyors of love culture and enlightenment movement. Let's try to act like it! PODS TEK - Growing Invitro with BRF/verm or Grass Seed containers The simplest, quickest, safest tek! For beginners, culturers, lazy people, stealth lovers, contam haters, and alternative seekers! • Violet's Teks and Posts •
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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: Violet]
#18776342 - 08/30/13 07:44 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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So I bought all the stuff to do this, did this tek and knocked up half a dozen containers with what I thought was pink buffalo but turns out its a sclerotia forming species, must of been mislabeled o well it was free. Anyways, Violet I was wondering if I should dunk these 2month old container or just bottom water? I'm preparing my casing right now and can't wait to throw them in the fc. I'll throw up some pics later as I'm sure there's not a whole lot of people growing truffles in these.
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TwinEclipse
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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: botanicalbishop]
#18776541 - 08/30/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh my goodness! After 1 1/2 weeks of no sign of colonization(refrigerated syringe), more than HALF of my RGS containers turned WHITE in 2 days holly Molly that's fast!!!!!!!!! They even beat the PF cakes I transferred to containers that are 2 MONTHS OLD!!!!!!

I really need to start thinking on where to birth these babies! I'm so excited.
I also need to learn to make an incubator. Here in the desert, the temperature violently fluctuates daily. Yesterday it was 104F and the freeways were flooded lol. Felt like climate in El Salvador lol
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Edited by TwinEclipse (08/30/13 09:04 AM)
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anne halonium
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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: TwinEclipse]
#18779181 - 08/30/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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many things work. and ,there are many mods. alot of the mods work.
thing is , violet tek is sorta designed to avoid mods. and, encourage skill, speed , and a friendly supply line.
grass seed is universal, so is WBR. plastics (PP5) universal. bottom water, eliminates other various water works. small high energy fortified , grain subs/ cores get performance/ subsize. containers in series easy to produce. low energy, no broken glass. fast PC times....
point with this tek, is simplicity. no perle , verm, , drop , dunk ,DEC roll, fire up the martha, turn on the fogger, boil for days, sling a bucket , drill a lid, drill a tub , measure a bunch of stuff.........
none of that stuff. plenty of threads on that. if thats your grow , grow for it.
violet tek doesnt need all the baggage to grow lots. its about, fast hydrating a good seed mix and fortifying it, whipping it into small fast PC plastics, growing a bright white fuzzball, and, few mists and a bottom water 4-5 flush haul. all ya need is essentially any box for chamber.
in the new age , ya have choices.
im on vacation till halloween. and yes , i have an umbrella in my drink.
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Edited by anne halonium (08/30/13 08:41 PM)
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anne halonium
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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: anne halonium]
#18854862 - 09/17/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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some PP5's , and ,comparative sizes.........
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cynical bastad
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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: anne halonium]
#18855613 - 09/17/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Violet, i just wanted to say I LUV YOU! I'm going to let everything i just read steep, and i'll go back in through the thread another time....possibly not. Dunno that i want to get confused. I've been wondering so many questions that you've answered! Thank you so much, Much love! I'm all about using what's around me, and there's lot's of grass going to seed as we speak...i may see a lot of threshing in the next month. Johnson grass & Sugar Cane are two things that stuck out today in my field. Thanks again!
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mandrax360
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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: anne halonium]
#18857529 - 09/18/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
anne halonium said: many things work. and ,there are many mods. alot of the mods work.
thing is , violet tek is sorta designed to avoid mods. and, encourage skill, speed , and a friendly supply line.
grass seed is universal, so is WBR. plastics (PP5) universal. bottom water, eliminates other various water works. small high energy fortified , grain subs/ cores get performance/ subsize. containers in series easy to produce. low energy, no broken glass. fast PC times....
point with this tek, is simplicity. no perle , verm, , drop , dunk ,DEC roll, fire up the martha, turn on the fogger, boil for days, sling a bucket , drill a lid, drill a tub , measure a bunch of stuff.........
none of that stuff. plenty of threads on that. if thats your grow , grow for it.
violet tek doesnt need all the baggage to grow lots. its about, fast hydrating a good seed mix and fortifying it, whipping it into small fast PC plastics, growing a bright white fuzzball, and, few mists and a bottom water 4-5 flush haul. all ya need is essentially any box for chamber.
in the new age , ya have choices.
im on vacation till halloween. and yes , i have an umbrella in my drink.
It still a long time till Halloween witch , If you make a promise keep it
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anne halonium
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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: mandrax360]
#18857680 - 09/18/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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i promise i have an umbrella in my drink still.............
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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: anne halonium]
#18858797 - 09/18/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Edited by thelanzii (09/19/13 05:47 PM)
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tbagtag
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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: anne halonium]
#18859814 - 09/18/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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You know what, I'll bite on this one. These containers could work well for my greenhouse. I'll read through the whole thread but I'll probably have some questions. The only thing I can't buy into is the increased potency, that's genetic, and there's no scientific evidence to support growing medium improving potency.
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anne halonium
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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: tbagtag]
#18863825 - 09/19/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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id suggest , your very next grow be 202020 NPK.
do we have a data sheet on power of all subs ? no.
there are data sheets out there that claim WBR , gives the highest power . so , subs have been noted to vary.
anecdotal evidence , is accumulating fast on the topic fer sure.
some peeps , like to see a data sheet for every aspect of the grow. annie just grows, data sheets can catch up.
this tek, isnt spreading like it is , cuz it craps out a wimpy boomer.
seriously, as far as power, were old school. line up a bunch of dangerous lab rats, and see who survives. ill suggest, there is no other practical test.
Edited by anne halonium (09/19/13 04:51 PM)
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tbagtag
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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: anne halonium]
#18864035 - 09/19/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Your prose confused me. My main interest is in yield as this is easily calculated through the biological efficiency formula. Plus I can see how these could work well in a greenhouse environment. I'm not going to get into a potency argument, I've said it in many posts that most likely 99% or more do not have the means to actually test this.
But if yield is what you say it is, could make some good times. I do have a suspicion that smaller substrates could produce higher be than larger substrate projects.
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mandrax360
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Re: . •Seed & Plastic• Myco Match from Heaven: a power Tek with a million reasons [Re: anne halonium]
#18866203 - 09/20/13 04:23 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: id suggest , your very next grow be 202020 NPK.
do we have a data sheet on power of all subs ? no.
there are data sheets out there that claim WBR , gives the highest power . so , subs have been noted to vary.
anecdotal evidence , is accumulating fast on the topic fer sure.
some peeps , like to see a data sheet for every aspect of the grow. annie just grows, data sheets can catch up.
this tek, isnt spreading like it is , cuz it craps out a wimpy boomer.
seriously, as far as power, were old school. line up a bunch of dangerous lab rats, and see who survives. ill suggest, there is no other practical test.
You seriously need to concentrate on your holiday , we all need a break from your posting too .
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