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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: anne halonium]
    #18534592 - 07/09/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Also I don't understand how you agree bottom watering if they are in containers.

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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: anne halonium]
    #18534642 - 07/09/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

elaborate unteagle,
im not sure i understand your question.


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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: unteagle]
    #18534716 - 07/09/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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gimpyoldelf said:
This why I suggested silicone instead of polyfill for the injection site. But perhaps the benefits of FAE outweigh the risk reduction of sealed holes.



Sortof. Tho in my opinion, having a filter doesn't really increase the 'risk'.

This won't require a very large hole, pretty much as small as you can manage to stuff tightly with polyfil, because the gas exchange need is low or nonexistent.
The major benefit of using poly-fil instead of a silicone port is that the lids are thus fully tightened for sterilization. No concerns with loose-lids removed from the cooker Or open-container inoc which beginners may not treat accordingly at first.
Additionally, silicone falls off of such plastic quite easily. It'd take sandpapering/scouring around the edge of the hole to apply silicone over inoc port or for synthetic filter disc.
Though again please refrain from modifying your lids if you intend to work with still-air box/glovebox/sterile laminar airflow. You'll be glad you didn't.


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unteagle said:
I know you don't innoc with ms... but how long is colonization with ms? I've never done a sore print and agar and don't want to wait for grain master. That would take forever.

Also, how big are your plastic containers and where did you find them.



Don't be impatient, very helpful to this hobby (and everything) for one to release any sense of rush!

I have indeed inoc'd containers with multi-spore cultures, but via grains or agar, not syringes. With syringes there's germination time and a mix of various speeds of culture.
MS or isolate it's still likely different every time depending on speed of culture and method/thoroughness of inoc.

The containers are 16oz (pint) and can be found in many places. Most stores have some variation of pint screwtop 5-code containers.
Don't go to Wal-Mart for them (or anything else)! I've not seen one carry anything but the sorry Rubbermaid pints anyway.

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Also I don't understand how you agree bottom watering if they are in containers.



Gonna guess that you mean "how you are bottom watering"
It's definitely described in the tek and thread.
Once first-flush pins on the cake have begun growing the cake will shrink some away from the sides of the container. At this point you can put a little water into the container between the cake and the container's side.


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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: Violet]
    #18535310 - 07/09/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Perfect thanks

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is polypropelyne safe? [Re: unteagle]
    #18539646 - 07/10/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I did a quick search to find out what kind of plastic #5 is made from and came up with polypropelyne.
Wikipedia has this to say about it:
Health concerns

"In 2008, researchers in Canada asserted that quaternary ammonium biocides and oleamide were leaking out of certain polypropylene labware, affecting experimental results.[29] As polypropylene is used in a wide number of food containers such as those for yogurt, Health Canada media spokesman Paul Duchesne, said the department will be reviewing the findings to determine whether steps are needed to protect consumers.[30]"

wiki also had this to say about quaternary ammonium:
"Reproductive effects of trace amounts

Quaternary ammonium-based disinfectants (Virex and Quatricide) were tentatively identified (by researcher Patricia Hunt - who previously uncovered the reproductive system effects of bisphenol A) and were also identified by researchers at other labs, as the most probable cause of jumps in birth defects and fertility problems in caged lab mice.[15]"

Can anyone address this concern?

Otherwise I this tek looks good on paper.

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Re: is polypropelyne safe? [Re: invitro]
    #18539949 - 07/10/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

whole planet is toxic.
not an issue Imo,
and ,beyond the scope of the thread.


however,
i would love to see a seperate trace toxins thread ,
for all types of grows ,especially bulks.

i would suggest , you dont eat PP5 contianers.





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Re: is polypropelyne safe? [Re: anne halonium]
    #18539991 - 07/10/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Good thing I'm not a lab rat trying to start a family!

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Re: is polypropelyne safe? [Re: anne halonium]
    #18540009 - 07/10/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

personally, those interested in family,
would be well served to do this tek to massive scale,
as a shield from fukishima background contamination.

for those in " family mode"
one may consider other  life choices,
rather than ," glass or plastic"


as much fun as green issues are.
it is beyond the scope of the tek.
food is commonly stored in PP5.

Edited by anne halonium (07/10/13 04:25 PM)

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Re: is polypropelyne safe? [Re: anne halonium]
    #18540156 - 07/10/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I'm starting to think that by the time this thread is aged that it will have single-handedly addressed everyone's semi-related concerns about everything :lol:

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anne halonium said:
food is commonly stored in PP5.



Exactly.
Certainly by now 'the department' has fully been "reviewing the findings to determine whether steps are needed to protect consumers." If they found true issues you'd have found more than that barely-relevant tidbit. 5 years later Zip-Loc products are on the shelf with safety that far exceeds the standards of most.

At that;
"In 2008, researchers in Canada asserted that quaternary ammonium biocides and oleamide were leaking out of certain polypropylene labware"
"Certain" labware. This seems to indicate that it wasn't coming out of ALL labware and is thus is not an inherent in polypropylene. Not to mention that Canadian researches simply "asserted" that it happened at all.


If I were to have found only the doc that you found, but nothing beyond it saying that such concerns were found to be valid, I'd continue to suspend unnecessary disbelief.
You can ALWAYS find SOMETHING that could feed superfluous worry, especially on the internet.
The question is, how willing are you to let them intercept the goings-on of your real life?

If you really think their "assertion" about "certain labware" should be considered a potential reason to not try this grow tek, but continue to eat directly out of those very products and make no point of informing yourself as to which, then I would call that "filtering a fly but swallowing a camel." My humble opinion: That's silly and trivial.


The title of your post; "Is polypropylene safe?"    ...Safe for What? To grow in? Yes!
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i would suggest , you dont eat PP5 contianers.



I'm not sure I could word my sentiments more briefly than that.


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Re: is polypropelyne safe? [Re: Violet]
    #18541573 - 07/10/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm starting to think that by the time this thread is aged that it will have single-handedly addressed everyone's semi-related concerns about everything :lol:




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Re: is polypropelyne safe? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18543641 - 07/11/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Anne halonium I absolutely love you writing style!!!!!


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Re: is polypropelyne safe? [Re: Violet]
    #18543675 - 07/11/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm starting to think that by the time this thread is aged that it will have single-handedly addressed everyone's semi-related concerns about everything :lol:






Yeah man u intended to just do a tek but ended up tackling every cultivation problem on this forum, while providing an excellent thought process to evaluate a tek's efficiency.


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Re: is polypropelyne safe? [Re: ammoniac]
    #18544197 - 07/11/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

2nd flush fruits!


Is it best to let grain cakes dry out between flushes? A day or so without misting/watering and just fanning? I'm wanting to promote pinning as much as I am able as I feel I'm already behind by not using a greenhouse/humidity tent.

Many thanks.

Edited by smurf_master (07/11/13 02:12 PM)

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Re: is polypropelyne safe? [Re: ammoniac]
    #18544239 - 07/11/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Not bad!

I'd guess it's not much helpful to let them dry out. Haven't tried it though... The only instance I've seen of someone reporting that drying subs out would be helpful is LeopardMan's PFtek. Doesn't seem to have been widely accepted.

I suspect it'd be far more important to keep the water coming. In some of my containers I've noticed that pinning and fruiting was suspended until they had water to do it with.

Most importantly, I've noticed fruits from my clones of giants stop growing to the otherwise average large size when the water supply stopped.

Keep the water coming!


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Violet said:
I'm starting to think that by the time this thread is aged that it will have single-handedly addressed everyone's semi-related concerns about everything :lol:



Yeah man u intended to just do a tek but ended up tackling every cultivation problem on this forum, while providing an excellent thought process to evaluate a tek's efficiency.



In all fairness, the tek is very info-inclusive so it indeed is fair play to many related topics!
I only noted such things as discussion of the reliability of verm barriers, things like that which are indeed far removed from relevant to this thread.
Not a big deal or anything, I don't mind it, just get a kick out of it happening here hehe


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Re: is polypropelyne safe? [Re: Violet]
    #18544285 - 07/11/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

good job smurf........


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Re: is polypropelyne safe? [Re: anne halonium]
    #18545351 - 07/11/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

just bought my first pp5 containers, i'm not sure they're the best but I'll give it a try. and i gotta post what's groing right now, a nice bulk grow... :loveeyes:


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Re: is polypropelyne safe? [Re: ammoniac]
    #18547513 - 07/12/13 05:54 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

These appear to be very similar to the ones used.http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000LNY1D8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_9?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1SV1BYDTUK2Z5

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Re: is polypropelyne safe? [Re: unteagle]
    #18549050 - 07/12/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

They sell them at Ralphs cheaper if you have one near you. I pick them up for about 4 bucks for a carton of three.

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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: anne halonium]
    #18562660 - 07/15/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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anne halonium said:

sometimes, its about how fast ya can shut down even.
shut down a scale bulk grow one time ,
and ,shut down a scale violet tek........
the diff , is apparent.




So true, just had my landlord decide not to reup my lease, I have three days to move out. Luckily everything's super easy to transfer, so I'll be driving it to a friends out. No gigantic tubs of substrate to deal with.


3rd and (possibly final) flush.


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training is easy for assistants also.




Didn't get to pic them all, most were cut down while I was at work by my assistant haha. If only I taught him how to use a camera!!

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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: smurf_master]
    #18562805 - 07/15/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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smurf_master said:
most were cut down while I was at work by my assistant haha.




smack a lab rat every day.

outstanding results.
4-5 flushes are possible.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18515837#18515837

above link, is of interest in seed comparison........
and, sobering.


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