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ghiajake
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: Caps_n_Stems]
#18513737 - 07/04/13 09:57 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thought I posted here this morning, but I guess I must have forgotten to hit the submit button. Violet, you've got me sold! I think you hit the nail on the head when you said Cubes were a "grass-loving species", not "dung-loving". Doing a control test run now (as much as one can with MS inoculation) with 2 qt and 4 pt jars of grass seed, 2 qt of WBS, and 2 qt of whole corn per each strain (PB, TC, GT, and C) at 1 cc per jar. 96 hours after noc'ing I have phenomenal growth on every single grass seed jar and no growth on the other two subs. Don't trust me, see for your selves:
   
I also did 2 GS qts and 6 WBS qts for G2G of test jars from homemade syringes. 4 WBS qts contamed already and the other two are finally showing recovery, while the 2 GS jars are around 70% already (started recovery in 8 hours).

Will be switching to plastic containers when I can afford to, but GS is the only sub I'll use from now on. Other than GS spawned to hpoo at 3:1 ratio just to add additional nutrients and organic nitrogen. Thanks for opening my eyes bro, 5 shrooms on the TEK, innovation, and just sheer awesomeness of the Almighty Grass Seed!
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: ghiajake]
#18513751 - 07/04/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Damn! 
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ghiajake
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: PrimalSoup]
#18513777 - 07/04/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Right?! I just can't get over how much faster the G2G'd GS is than the WBS. Barring contams, I'm sure those 2 will be spawned, cased, consolidated, and pinning by the time the WBS jars are 100%!
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: Violet]
#18514044 - 07/05/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for posting that, ghiajake!
And thanks to everyone else who's posting results with this tek, keep it up!
Edited by ForestBellows (07/05/13 12:02 AM)
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ghiajake
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: ForestBellows]
#18515874 - 07/05/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I decided to go ahead and write up a grow log on my modified version of Violet's grass seed prep. Getting amazing results!!! Check it out if ya like and let me know what you think. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18515837
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: ghiajake]
#18517946 - 07/05/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just wanted to pop in and say thanks to Violet for a logical, efficient tek. Good stuff!
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: masonwinston]
#18524464 - 07/07/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Haven't had much time to drop in here lately but just wanted to chime in with some results--I am so sold, never doing a monotub again. Side watering is the shit, grass seed is the shit, grass seed nute agar is the shit, unmodified plastic tubs are the shit, shorter sterilization time is the shit, increased yields are the shit, and these boomers are THE SHIT!
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: TFpek]
#18525129 - 07/07/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: anne halonium]
#18527673 - 07/07/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Exactly!
Thanks to all you peeps too!
It's been suggested that this straight-grain and watering procedure be referred to as "Violet Tek". If you guys like and approve, we can just call it that (some already are). I have no delusions of grandeur or personal interest in naming something 'after me' so it'd only be for practicality of reference.
Thoughts? Or, something better?
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: Violet]
#18527731 - 07/07/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Violet said: It's been suggested that this straight-grain and watering procedure be referred to as "Violet Tek".
I'll second that nomination!
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: Violet]
#18528030 - 07/07/13 11:57 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Heh no need to take it so personally. You're making the bold claims 
I feel no need to inflate my shroom dong by listing off my countless grows...I'm just saying you're ALSO spreading MISinformation.
You claim 3 oz's shrooms dry off 1/4 brick of coir... I'm ing right now. Unless you applied shit tons of nutes I'm finding it hard to believe that there was enough nutrition present or even enough real-estate on the coir for that many heads.
Don't take it so personally...I get it you've got SOOOO much experience. I just pointed out that your assessment of the term bulk was incorrect.
One can colonize an entire brick with 1 colonized grain. So I fail to see why your method is such an 'innovation'...I'm not hating...I just think bags are easier and more effective...but if people wanna keep up with a bunch of little plastic bowls then MORE POWER TO YOU!!!!
For someone who claims to produce such INSANE amounts effortlessly you took my comments a little harshly...shouldn't you have had an ego-death by now??? I think you need to hop off your high horse (the fact that 1 oz per flush is laughable ) since you think that your facts are the only facts. Flush-curves....flushes can produce more OR less than the previous. DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND GENETICS?!?!? ANYTHING IS POSSIBLY 
Anyways...I've ALSO messed with something similar to this (YOURE NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT OF SMALL PLASTIC LIDDED CONTAINERS?!!?!?!?! *GASP*)...and IMO it's more work than it's worth. Bags even have a nice handle to carry them.
All I was REALLY saying is your understanding of 'bulk' is incorrect...and multiple plastic bowls are a PITA. And 3 oz dry off of 1/4 of a brick....yeah I meant to say I got 10 oz dry per flush my bad did I forget to /edit that?
Good luck with your future ventures...the only time I'll post a pic again online is if I can get these hoogshageenis to fruit.
To everyone who utilizes this tek or any other: Don't follow it to a T just because some dude with 5k+ posts and a camera says it's the most efficient. I grew in a place that these supposed 'trusted cultivators' would claim impossible. I did OPEN AIR (GASP) innoculations WHILE A HEATER WAS ON (LE GASP!!) Without their advice it wouldn't have been possible for most of us to grow....hell I learned by reading up on some of Violet's experiences. But the anger with which one retorts when someone calls their tek 'weak'....ha....just because someone has few posts....funny to assume how many grows a person has under their belt.
Trust your gut!!! Take EVERY bit of advice with a grain of salt...even this meaningless rant!
I still respect your experience and your opinion Violet...and even though you know I'm a 'newb' I know what I know...and I disagree!!! I never tried insulting you!
Please forgive my trespasses and don't think that 1 oz per flush dry with a small/medium bag with 3/4 brick of coir is laughable just because you got hit with better genetics or circumstances. I've used good clone material in a small fast-food salad bowl (with lid) with less than 1/10 qt of spawn and less than 1/10 a brick (1 brick and 1 qt split amongst the bowls....that I actually DO have a pic of) and I never saw 3 oz dry!!!! But if you truly were hit with those genetics...than you are luckier than you even know.
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Violet



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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: BleedThatMule]
#18528359 - 07/08/13 02:06 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Let me begin by saying:  And, that other people's results and testimonies stand as well...
Where's the backup for your beef? Don't expect anyone to pay mind to typed nonsense unless you can back it up with pics and info. Your posting here is contributing Nothing to Anything, except post count.
Most of your post I'm going to ignore since it's as much butthurt hodgepodge as anything else.
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BleedThatMule said: I'm just saying you're ALSO spreading MISinformation.
And what exactly is this misinformation that you've caught but all those pro growers didn't understand or think to point out? Rhetorical question.
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BleedThatMule said: You claim 3 oz's shrooms dry off 1/4 brick of coir... I'm ing right now. Unless you applied shit tons of nutes I'm finding it hard to believe that there was enough nutrition present or even enough real-estate on the coir for that many heads.
I'm not "claiming." I posted it weeks ago. Already linked you to it, in fact, but here it is again. This very thread. Over 2oz dry off that little block just the first flush alone - I was surprised that it dried to a higher yield than the 10% rule-of-thumb supposed it would. Besides, it's not about the coir. It's the grain that carries the weight - bulk sub is for hydration.
If you've seen other bulk sub grows like TranscendingLife's monotubs you'd know that's not an incredulous yield per grain and sub. It's pretty good but nothing mind-boggling. It's not to brag about results, only to show that I do indeed know quite well how to do strong bulk grows and still prefer this tek.
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BleedThatMule said: Please forgive my trespasses and don't think that 1 oz per flush dry with a small/medium bag with 3/4 brick of coir is laughable just because you got hit with better genetics or circumstances.
I wasn't saying your yield is bad. I was just saying that so-so 'bulk' results don't have any bearing on bulk relative to this tek: in other words, what you had to show (or rather say, since you had nothing to show) is pretty irrelevant to this. That's what was laughable, don't take it personally. I've had results like the one you posted about and better but still find this tek as more worth doing. If you don't like it, you don't have to eat it.
"Forgive your tresspasses"? Oh, you're a drama queen. Now I get it. "Hit with better genetics"? We call that good culturing. It's a very worthwhile thing to do. I wasn't "hit" with the genetics, I selected and isolated it. You could do the same thing easily.
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BleedThatMule said: Trust your gut!!! Take EVERY bit of advice with a grain of salt...even this meaningless rant!
Especially that meaningless rant. Thanks for the bumps I suppose!
... Now, back on topic with stuff worth posting about!
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Edited by Violet (07/08/13 02:14 AM)
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anne halonium
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: BleedThatMule]
#18529038 - 07/08/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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BleedThatMule said:
know I'm a 'newb'
ive gotten similar results as violet for years. the tek stands as presented, when applied as directed.
those familiar with the classics, will note that the violet tek, is essentially " oss and oeric" boosted with ferts, RGS, plastics, and, watering mods.
im most pleased with violets presentation. those interested in a most serious, and, reliable grow, would be well advised to develope sterile skills , and try it themselves.
im comfortable, with this tek, being called , " the violet tek"...........
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: anne halonium]
#18529112 - 07/08/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Love the write up Violet! Ryegrass + ziplocs otw as we speak, can't wait to see the performance for myself.
By the way, I'm interested in adaptations of Violet Tek for a first time grower. I'm thinking of Violet Tek as an alternative to the PF Tek.
A couple thinks I would suggest for a beginner's version:
1. A single silicon injection site in the lid. (To allow sterile inoculation with a syringe without needing a glove box. It's a small additional cost for the silicon, and very easy to make)
2. Tyndallization as an alternative to a pressure cooker. (To reduce the investment a beginner has to make).
I think the benefits of Violet Tek for beginners top that of the PF Tek:
- Cost. Going by amazon.com, the costs per unit/volume of RGS and ziplocs are less than glass, verm and brf.
- Contam Risk: PF tek reduces contam from the 4 open inoc holes with a verm barrier. Violet Tek has no open holes.
- Growth speed and performance: Beginners will be encouraged by faster results and larger yields.
A downside would be the time required for the tyndallization process, which I understand is also not as effective as a PC.
Thoughts?
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anne halonium
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: gimpyoldelf]
#18529329 - 07/08/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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the nature of the tek, and, RGS/ fert mixes, sorta requires a PC.
however, cheap PC , some PP5 containers, RGS and ferts, along with other minor things, could be had for around 100$
i personally , dont use airports. its possible, but we tend to rely on filtered air, and SAB. besides, its a bitch to drill lids.
this tek is designed for noob and scale pro alike. peeps who object to the containers, fail to note the abiltiy to rotate them, and ,the contam value, as the whole crop is not lost if some contam.
of course, verm and perle/ birthing/ stop drop dunk and roll, along with complex FC's is not required. and, actually reduces the clean progress of the tek.
im still of the opinion, that a decent farm can be had for 100-200$. large scale farms, with advanced equip, of course would be more.
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: BleedThatMule]
#18529568 - 07/08/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tek will help you if you're a sloppy worker, as you won't be tossing entire monos or tubs thanks to contams.
There are a lot of people who, because they haven't experienced serious contams, think they're immune. I've seen that many times here. "Oh, no, I never have crop failure." 
A beauty of the "Violet Tek" is there's only ONE chance to introduce contams in the cycle, and even if you do (during innoc) the speed of the growth will keep them at bay. As opposed to, how many times have we seen it, a jar that looks good, after shaking, stalls or dies thanks to contams getting the upper hand. No shaking = better contam containment. Here's a pic of Ps. cyan myc eating penicillin (IIRC) on a stable plate. If that were in a 3D jar and I shook it, spores would be everywhere and it'd be 

Just a thought, hey. 
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: gimpyoldelf]
#18529584 - 07/08/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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gimpyoldelf said: 2. Tyndallization as an alternative to a pressure cooker. (To reduce the investment a beginner has to make)
No, it is not.
Tyndilization, or fractional sterilization will fail 90% of the time.
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gimpyoldelf said: - Contam Risk: PF tek reduces contam from the 4 open inoc holes with a verm barrier. Violet Tek has no open holes.
The exposed holes on PF Tek jars are not contam risks... there is a dry verm layer to stop contams and act as a filter.
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gimpyoldelf said: A downside would be the time required for the tyndallization process, which I understand is also not as effective as a PC.
But you would recommend noobs to try it, and fail?
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: anne halonium]
#18529593 - 07/08/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Got my top pins and fruits!




Thanks Violet!
Never going back to brown rice cakes. fuck perlite. grass seed + twist N loc containers for life.
Already have a 2nd batch going (with not as much seed to fix my side pinning)
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anne halonium
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: smurf_master]
#18529856 - 07/08/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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some gonzo boomers indeed.
thats the kinda contestant we wanna see!
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ghiajake
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: anne halonium]
#18529908 - 07/08/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Silly question I'm sure, but would any specific color of plastic help reduce side pinning? Or maybe reflective tape?
Edited by ghiajake (07/08/13 02:20 PM)
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