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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18431798 - 06/17/13 12:39 PM (11 years, 14 days ago)

So, my RGS bags stalled out as I mentioned earlier. I've deduced that the problem must be the sheer volume I packed in to them. Over 2.5 lbs each. The start-stop behavior was probably due to the density.

The center of the mass was poorly sterilized, and eventually bacteria made it's appearance. (I think with my PC, I should have cooked them for an hour and a half.)

So, my impression is that maybe half that (1.25 lbs) is a reasonable upper limit for grass seed in a bag. Or, no more than 3 inches deep so to speak.

One has to remember that it is a lot denser than rye.

I've ordered some PP filter jars and will give it another go later on.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Hobart Cutter]
    #18433588 - 06/17/13 07:40 PM (11 years, 14 days ago)

Results are slowly trickling in. I'm currently conducting small comparative experiments between this tek and tradition bulk horse manure methods. I followed Violets write up exactly, however I used Rye Berries instead of Rye Grass seed and also have tried a few different(but similar) style containers as the ones Violet recommends. I also prepared and pasteurized my casing slightly differently, but end result was basically the same.

I have about 30 containers total, 10 in fruiting conditions, and the rest are still consolidating.


I inoculated every container using G2G method. For comparison purposes, I also Inoculated horse manuare/stray/verm tray's via G2G the same day. All the RB/Plastic containers were nocked with about 4 table spoons of spawn each(roughly 1:8 ratio) and reached full colonization around 4 days afterwareds. Bulk substrate tray's were spawned at a 1:1 ratio and reached full colonization about 10 days afterwards.

All horse manuare tray's were placed into fruiting conditions 6/1. I decided to place a few RB/Plastic containers into fruiting on 6/3 to see if they would suffer from less consolidation time. Nearly all of them did, however a few of my more hardy strains seem to be unaffected.

Most of my bulk horse dung substrates were able to complete their first flush before the RB/Plastic containers had started fruiting. 3 of the 4 RB/Plastic Containers I introduced to fruiting conditions after 14 days of colonization produced non-tertiary mycelium as a result. They simply did not have enough munch time on the RB. I would recommend at least 3 weeks of consolidation after full colonization with RB/Plastic containers to be sure the mycelium has absorbed what it needs to produce fruit bodies.

So far, one RB/Plastic container seems to be outperforming it's horsedung spawned competition. Strain is known as "LA woman". Apparently a 2nd generation wild specimen. Isolate was used. Although the horse dung tray was able to produce an entire flush almost a week before the RB, the RB container seems to have produced a larger yielding first flush. Note the substrate's volume is approximately the same.


Unfortunately the other RB/plastic containers are not doing quite so well. They all seem to produce relatively small unhealthy fruit bodies. Please note these containers were only given 12 days consolidation time before being introduced to fruiting conditions. I think this is an indicator that these containers have been introduced to fruiting conditions far to early. Again, I would advice at least 3 weeks of consolidation time to avoid this issue from occurring.


The "Treasure Coast" RB/Plastic container is the only other comparable container at this point. All 3 horse dung tray's have produced nice healthy first flushes. 2 of which have already been harvested and dunked. The RB/Plastic TC's fruits are notably smaller. TC horse dung container is the bottom middle of the picture. (smaller uncased transparent container)


Here is the TC horse dung container (approximately same volume as RB/Plastic container) next to the LA woman RB container for comparative purposes. These are two completely different strains, however I thought it would be nice to take a picture with them side by side.



Introduced these containers to fruiting conditions on 6/11. Still waiting to pin:


And have about 15 more that I'm going to continue consolidating for another 1-2 weeks to see if it improves results.

This is only the beginning, as I said before, results are slowly trickling in. I have not experimented enough to really gain an understanding for this method or it's flush capabilities. I'll have to wait and see, but so far, it looks as if RB/plastic has some potential. I feel fairly comfortable to say this method demands more consolidation time than tradition bulk substrates spawned at a 1:1 ratio.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: b plus]
    #18433813 - 06/17/13 08:25 PM (11 years, 14 days ago)

Are all of those rye grain rather than seed?  And do you mean "more cosolidation" time in the last paragraph?

Thanks for sharing!

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: b plus]
    #18436024 - 06/18/13 09:49 AM (11 years, 13 days ago)

bplus, seems to me like you may keep pushing for more consolidation because your strait-grain 1st flushes aren't beating out bulks yet. They're not supposed to.

The speed of fruiting is largely a visible 'symptom' of that. The colonizing run on bulk substrate, and the dilute potential of the bulk subs, inspires them to fruit more quickly (in a hurry) IME/IMO. You said something quite indicative of that:
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Most of my bulk horse dung substrates were able to complete their first flush before the RB/Plastic containers had started fruiting.



Indeed consolidation is a real boon to this, but I feel that 3 weeks after fully colonized is plenty of chew time.

Remember that these cakes have a very strong flush curve.  They don't shove all their fruits out in a hurry; the consecutive flushes ought each be almost as large as the one before, something which is assuredly not true for bulk subs.

As a personal note to you bplus, you sure loaded up your grain containers! I'd load them to around half of that; less if looking for clones.



Another consideration is that this tek is very revealing about the potential of cultures.
I had many cultures that I thought were about even in their potential. The stretched run of efficiency with this tek provided an opportunity to show the differences were less subtle than bulk substrate teks indicated.

Bulk sub teks have a way of "leveling the playing field" for cultures. This may be a good thing if growing multispore or with whatever-clones, but it will always be limited for the same reason. This tek makes it clear where the true opportunities for improvement lie. Clone culturing from this technique is far more advantageous!


For these reasons, I'm of the personal opinion that it's not wise to attempt judging this tek without having done it oneself and seeing how it inspires you to maximize potential. The difference between a good and a great culture may seem trivial on "bulk" teks, but here it can make a difference of almost double the yield!


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18436088 - 06/18/13 10:08 AM (11 years, 13 days ago)

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Are all of those rye grain rather than seed?  And do you mean "more cosolidation" time in the last paragraph?





I sure did, post edited.

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Remember that these cakes have a very strong flush curve.  They don't shove all their fruits out in a hurry; the consecutive flushes ought each be almost as large as the one before, something which is assuredly not true for bulk subs.




I have not forgotten. Consistent 4  flushes will be the deciding factor with this method.

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As a personal note to you bplus, you sure loaded up your grain containers! I'd load them to around half of that; less if looking for clones.




I know I went a little overboard. I had extra RB prepared and only a limited number of containers.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: b plus]
    #18443369 - 06/19/13 04:45 PM (11 years, 12 days ago)

I first visited this site many years ago. This thread has lured me from my secluded chambers, forced me to become a member, and here is my first post. Unfortunately my true feelings can not be sufficiently conveyed through a digital medium, Violet. Thank you so much for the time and effort you have allocated to developing this power tek and sharing it with the world. My sincerest gratitude. Please forgive my having a few questions.

1. Would you care to elaborate on your method of constant harvesting? I gather that essentially you harvest each fruit individually when it appears to be ripe. Upon searching for any other such gems you have cut, I stumbled across your thread "Simple and Perfect Printing - Sterile spores are easy! TEK". Also highly prized information, I might add. In your experience and opinion, is there a difference in the optimal time of harvest for potency, weight, and spore-prime fruits? Or a sweet spot for all three? When and how do you harvest in this tek? Feel free to enlighten me on your methods, and if feeling overly generous, their reasons.

2. This second inquiry was reserved for your specific views of the time frame of consolidation with grass seed. But wouldn't you know, you beat me to it.

"but I feel that 3 weeks after fully colonized is plenty of chew time"

If you have gone past three weeks, did you notice any difference? What kind of consolidation time frame have you found optimal or practical in this scenario, and the average ambient temperature held during that time?

3.You said "with nothing ever thrown away until the squishy-eaten 4/7th-flush cakes are spent". Would it be at all possible to use some of this squishy grass seed as spawn for an extra generation? Or would it already show signs of degradation? I probably reveal my foolishness here, and it's a long shot, but if it could, then it would be very useful and efficient. Contamination could be an issue, but I hear a colonized substrate is pretty resistant (though a spent one likely less so). Maybe a few days of isolation with the lid on could allow it to clean itself and make this usable as spawn?

It seems this may be closer to natures way, dealing with new and used grains or substrates simultaneously. I also believe grass seed may be a prime food source for the Cubes. Well seeds in general, but around here the most plentiful are grass seeds.

4. I'm sorry in advance, but I must indulge. Do the plastic containers have to read recyclable #5? Where can I find them? How can I modify their lids to be better? Will my glass quart jars work with the same sterilization time? What hydration tek do you recommend for the grass seed? What other grains can I use? Can you just come to my house and bring all your stuff and do everything for me and then send it off to the FDA for approval and labeling? :crazy2:

Violet, it's not your job to post this information. And that you've done. It's not your job to help others seeking to replicate this ongoing experiment, but that you apparently enjoy. And I don't think it's your desire to force anyone to join this experiment. And I'm tired of seeing you have to try and defend yourself from people who have nothing to contribute to this thread, and no real reason to join the discussion (not that all disagreements are along these lines). I've read it ~5 times over now, and it has become difficult to maintain my enthusiasm and focus while I feel like I'm reading a Jerry Springer script. If someone has tried this tek as shown, please share everything! If someone has sincere questions pertaining to the tek, and has read the thread completely at least once, I'm sure someone would be glad to help! And in the mean time, lets enjoy the peace and unity as this thread continues to blossom into a completely new tek that so many people new (and old) to the field are likely to adopt as time moves forward and results are posted. Or for the skeptics, if this is...not what it claims, then you should enjoy lurking and smirking as time dissolves this new method. But please, let us make our trails uninhibited. Personally, I fell for it. And can't wait to switch gears, though unfortunately for me this will take some time.

PS: The above paragraph seems a little late. I guess the thread was locked for a time, and then graciously unlocked. I have very irregular Internet access and wrote this a little while back. But lets not forget the moral of the story. Please.

Sorry for the sarcasm everyone, it's my preferred method of bringing a smile. And that these days is priceless. Don't anyone take offense, it certainly isn't intended. Peace and serenity to everyone who desires.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: LungCheeseFungus]
    #18444133 - 06/19/13 07:45 PM (11 years, 12 days ago)

Good thing this thread is back! Violet great info and you made your point for a different growing technique. Better or not is something to be discussed as peers try to replicate the experiment. This is for me the reason why such a forum exists.
Will hop on as soon as i got some dollars to get the Pp5 containers and run them parallel with different bulk subs as i'm nearly done building my GH.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: ammoniac]
    #18444196 - 06/19/13 07:59 PM (11 years, 12 days ago)

Hey Violet I'm about to case my cakes, they are looking great g2g'd on the 22nd and they were 100% within two weeks, but I've been letting them sit trying for as much consolidation time as my patience will allow.


A little confused when you say to wait 24 hours and repeat the microwave procedure to the T, does that include re watering again and turning into mud?

I did a little experimenting as you suggested and tried a different moisture content with each of my jars to see which one will turn out better.


Thanks so much, will post pics of my successful fruits when they're ready.

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: smurf_master]
    #18446653 - 06/20/13 11:20 AM (11 years, 11 days ago)

LungCheeseFungus, that's very nice of you to say!
I'm glad you enjoyed and hope your grows are fun and go well!

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Would you care to elaborate on your method of constant harvesting? I gather that essentially you harvest each fruit individually when it appears to be ripe. Upon searching for any other such gems you have cut, I stumbled across your thread "Simple and Perfect Printing - Sterile spores are easy! TEK". Also highly prized information, I might add. In your experience and opinion, is there a difference in the optimal time of harvest for potency, weight, and spore-prime fruits? Or a sweet spot for all three? When and how do you harvest in this tek?



Same as any other!

For harvesting it's best to pick around the time the veil is tearing. After this point the mushroom is getting into the swing of sporulation, so although it may add some size & water weight it isn't gaining any more psilos, so it could be said that the potency-per-mass ratio begins to decrease although perceived yield may increase.

For cloning it's best to pick the mushroom as soon as you've decided to clone it as long as it's large enough to clone your preferred way.

For printing it can depend on how that variety behaves. Some substrains sporulate hard as the veil has torn, others may sporulate lightly even when the tops of the caps have flattened. Whenever you begin to see spore loads on the stems, edge of caps, or substrate below the caps, pick and print!
If your caps sporulate enough right after the veil has torn then it will help your cleanliness rate to print as soon after the veil tears as possible :]

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"but I feel that 3 weeks after fully colonized is plenty of chew time"
If you have gone past three weeks, did you notice any difference? What kind of consolidation time frame have you found optimal or practical in this scenario, and the average ambient temperature held during that time?



I've not really gone to any noteworthy lengths in determining a "sweet spot" for this, especially since that time progression depends on (1) method/spread of inoc  (2) speed of culture  (3) temperature  (4) and other potential factors such as pH.

Temps, as always, should be room temperature range. I prefer 71°-78°F
Inoc with even spread of many grains may fully colonize in 3-6 days, so 1 week isn't quite enough. A single agar wedge inoc may colonize in 6-14 days so 1 week may be enough. It's not quite as simple a matter as starting a clock at full-colo.

The way I think of it is:  1 week is a bit short, 2 pretty good, 3 solid, 4 assured but pushing it, 5 may be too late but could perform strong, 6 is probably late but worth trying.


Before long I may try some rounds where I label each container by both inoc and fruiting dates, track fresh weights harvested off each, and see which consolidation length range aids initial flushing without reducing later flush capacity.


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You said "with nothing ever thrown away until the squishy-eaten 4/7th-flush cakes are spent". Would it be at all possible to use some of this squishy grass seed as spawn for an extra generation?



As always, no. The mycelium is "spent"; although you could indeed take & transfer a mycelium sample (if you can get a sterile sample) it wouldn't result in an optimal grow. Definitely best to return to where the mycelium came from originally.

Don't worry about "revealing your foolishness", questions are questions!
Although there is nothing different about this tek to where such info you'd find elsewhere would apply differently here.

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I'm sorry in advance, but I must indulge. Do the plastic containers have to read recyclable #5? Where can I find them? How can I modify their lids to be better? Will my glass quart jars work with the same sterilization time? What hydration tek do you recommend for the grass seed? What other grains can I use? Can you just come to my house and bring all your stuff and do everything for me and then send it off to the FDA for approval and labeling? :crazy2:



:lol:


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Hey Violet I'm about to case my cakes,
A little confused when you say to wait 24 hours and repeat the microwave procedure to the T, does that include re watering again and turning into mud?



No sir it does not include that! The one 'mud' hydration wets it for both microwave flash treatments.
Hope they go well for ya!


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18446684 - 06/20/13 11:31 AM (11 years, 11 days ago)

Cool beans glad I asked. Thanks for the wealth of information!!



Edit: Do these look unhealthy? When I birthed them they were all white, now I have this weird yellow gunk on a couple cakes. Is that just the casing layer soaking down or am I looking at some hardcore bacteria?




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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: smurf_master]
    #18452357 - 06/21/13 02:57 PM (11 years, 10 days ago)

Kinda hard to tell. A smell test should reveal if it's bacteria. Could just be metabolites and/or soil in water.
If they were clean and nice when you opened them to case, they're probably fine.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18452540 - 06/21/13 03:39 PM (11 years, 10 days ago)

Yo Violet, gonna give your tek a whirl.  Can you clarify one thing - GE during colonization.  I'll be planning to do some potency project tests this way, and in the past when I've had minitubs sitting out for an extra month (or more if it works out) they've always had GE.  FAE is the trigger for pinning, so this is likely to be a fine point of adjustment - I set one of those extended consolidation tubs into pinning just by popping the lid and having a brief look at it. :lol:

So here's what I'm thinking, something that's simple but allows GE only, and keeps the sub happy to keep digesting with the lid snugged down:  A little hole in the lid, covered with heat resistant tape during PCing, then replaced in the SAB with one of the little bandaid spots that come 50 to a box.  Guaranteed sterile, they are. :thumbup:

That way there's no filter port attachment to fiddle with...

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18453344 - 06/21/13 07:12 PM (11 years, 10 days ago)

Yeah i thought about this, but i think it's easier and faster to just put micropore tape. I do it on both sides for added safety...


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: ammoniac]
    #18453731 - 06/21/13 08:38 PM (11 years, 10 days ago)

Trying micropore tape too, about to open the PC after a test run - 30 minutes at 15PSI.  I would have to test the tape under colonization conditions to trust it.  Used a red-hot nail to make the holes in the lids. :thumbup:

Well, :lol:.  The micropore tape shriveled up like a old balloon and the tiny holes got way bigger.  The bandaid looks intact.  The vinyl black electrical tape is intact too, but since it actual seals the container there's been blowout with a resultant complete loss of seal.

Here's what they looked like before:

And after:

The bandaid looks good to go, and it didn't suffer much degradation, as well as no blow out.  So I'm liking that. This one will set out to see if it really got sterilized, and if it stays that way.

I couldn't find screw-top containers anywhere today, and the store that had them the last time I checked hasn't got them (Ziploc) anymore.  So these are round 3.2 cup Rubbermaid snap lids at $3 for 4.  I checked the lids for holding a seal before I got them though.  This is only a test, I ran some grain from a quart of rye that had contamed... But I can fit 6 of them into the PC...gonna get some more.  Update - went back to same place 'cause I'd left one of the lids behind :lol: and down the aisle were screw-on pint containers.  Got 3 of those to compare - 8 will go into the PC without crowding and I like the blue lids better. :wink:

Got a few lbs of grass seed at Ace, local product, about $2/lb.  I'm sure I can do better than that. :wink:



And so the fun begins... :alientransform:

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18454836 - 06/22/13 02:32 AM (11 years, 10 days ago)

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Well, :lol:.  The micropore tape shriveled up like a old balloon and the tiny holes got way bigger.





That doesn't look like proper 3M Micropore. It should be fibrous, almost like paper.

Like the strip sealing the bag here:

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Hobart Cutter]
    #18455859 - 06/22/13 11:33 AM (11 years, 9 days ago)

It's surgical tape.  3M Transpore, not Micropore, you're right.  But I've used it for GE on minitubs for years now.  I have the other kind too, but I'm damn sure that would never survive PCing as it's paper based.  :wink:

The bandaids survived the first rye seed prep run, I'm working on proper loading and placement now. :thumbup:

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    #18455902 - 06/22/13 11:41 AM (11 years, 9 days ago)

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I have the other kind too, but I'm damn sure that would never survive PCing as it's paper based.  :wink:




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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Hobart Cutter]
    #18456136 - 06/22/13 12:25 PM (11 years, 9 days ago)

Really? I'll see how it works then...

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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18456227 - 06/22/13 12:43 PM (11 years, 9 days ago)

Hope I'm ok bumping this... but as far as bottom watering I thought mycelium would drown if submerged in water. Aren't your cakes on the bottom of the container? Also does it not increase contam risks.

Also how do u bottom water? Are there holes in the containers to allow water in. If so, where?

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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: unteagle]
    #18458398 - 06/22/13 09:16 PM (11 years, 9 days ago)

Although it is slow going for me so far, I still have a 50 pound bag of Lawn seed to get through so I'm not getting discouraged yet. I am also still dialing in my GH and Working on improving my casing. My first batch has a few nice lookin shrooms goin, and I wanted to share this picture of one that is trying to break out early.

Saw that on my colonizing shelf and was like, how the hell did the lid come off, and whoa! shrooms trying to break out! haha, guess I'll throw that one in fruiting early.
The seeds on my lawn mix are almost half the size of the Rye grass seed mix I got from another store. Not sure if theres any performance difference, I just want this stuff to work.

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