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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: PrinceShroom]
    #18349450 - 05/31/13 02:34 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah that was my mistake also, comparing to spawning...

Might be pretty nice to test out grass seeds in a monotub , with just earth as casing layer for the jars :-)

Would be nice and quick instead of pasteurizing straw/spending money on straw/coir

Spend it on the grains instead, less hassle maybe

Just wonder if they would hold the humidity well in a mono, the tek doesn't seem clear on this

The tek seems a bit more ment for SGFC/martha maybe

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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: lessismore]
    #18349474 - 05/31/13 02:41 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Assuming the microwave sterilization of the casing layer works reliably

But think I'm gonna test it, have had ok results with microwave one time before (but also been unlucky with it - trich quickly)

The difference here is the cakes are 100% colonized so unlikely for there to be trich, nothing that it could eat

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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: lessismore]
    #18349537 - 05/31/13 02:58 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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mio said:
Yeah that was my mistake also, comparing to spawning...

Might be pretty nice to test out grass seeds in a monotub , with just earth as casing layer for the jars :-)

Would be nice and quick instead of pasteurizing straw/spending money on straw/coir

Spend it on the grains instead, less hassle maybe

Just wonder if they would hold the humidity well in a mono, the tek doesn't seem clear on this

The tek seems a bit more ment for SGFC/martha maybe



How do mono's hold the humidity? By having alot of substrate there that is wet and expiring the moisture bk into the air.  Doing a straight cased mono like you said will work fine.  Ive dont straight cased mono's before.  Had no issues with RH:shrug:

Edit: BTW I had concerns about microwave sterilizing my casing also.  I tried it and will never go back to any other method.


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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: PrinceShroom]
    #18349602 - 05/31/13 03:15 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Mio. Read the thread. Seriously. You keep posting these inquiries and questions that are answered already, and asking questions about statements thinking they're talking about something else.

For instance. There's nothing experimental about pressure-cooking these containers for half (or less) the time. Your inquiry/statement showed you believe that I'm saying grass seed steriliezs more quickly. This is silly. It's due to the small containers with thin plastic walls that sterilization is so short. It would be equally short with birdseed or rye in the containers.



All of your confusions and repeat questions are based on that sort of misunderstanding. This is no "experimental tek"
Read the thing your questions are about before you spam the questions in the thread, post-after-post...

For instance. When cased, these cakes do wonderfully in straight-up totes, this is mentioned in the thread; I even have photos of it! Are you SURE you read it twice? Maybe hurriedly skimmed it twice...


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BTW I had concerns about microwave sterilizing my casing also.  I tried it and will never go back to any other method.



WORD!
(tho it's not sterile)


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: PrinceShroom]
    #18351402 - 05/31/13 11:31 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

PrinceShroom,
i had already corrected myself. You quoted and replied to an older post.

At first read I thought you said you got a 2 pint screw on for $1, but realized you meant 2 1-pint screw on's. So yes, your way is much cheaper and they feel sturdier than the ziploc's


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: lessismore]
    #18351517 - 06/01/13 12:07 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

mio said:
Would be nice to know a reliable sterilization time you have tried
If you want to say quicker sterilisation is a benefit

No experimental teks you know :wink:

Would be cool if half the sterilisation time was reliable, have you tested that?

Maybe I misread it was a bit quick




I personally ran the test myself instead of coming on here and asking questions that could easily be answered by myself.

I ran 6 of the zip lock brands through with rgs filled to the top of the humps on the sides.  Hit 15psi, set timer 30 min, when timer went off I pulled the weight, waited for 0 and opened, re screwed the lids tight and set on my table for ~2 weeks (mainly because I got busy and forgot about them)

They then received ~ 1tbs each of oyster spawn when I did my g2g transfers.  And grew out just fine.


Next time your being pushy and asking for proof why don't you experiment a bit and learn something yourself, instead of asking for answers you will likely dismiss, or come back bitching about if you do something wrong and it doesn't work for you...



Watch out for the rubber maid brand guys...  bought 21 of them just the other day as the store I was at had no zip and twists...  I had the lids screwed back as normal, but in just 1 run through the pc the 12 I put in all deformed.  (And they are pp5) 

Edited by BloodKil (06/01/13 12:14 AM)

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: BloodKil]
    #18351533 - 06/01/13 12:11 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

:uppercut:


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: BloodKil]
    #18353316 - 06/01/13 12:09 PM (11 years, 30 days ago)

Quote:

BloodKil said:
Watch out for the rubber maid brand guys...  bought 21 of them just the other day as the store I was at had no zip and twists...  I had the lids screwed back as normal, but in just 1 run through the pc the 12 I put in all deformed.  (And they are pp5) 




This does not compute. Polypropylene should handle 130C/266F at a minimum. You should try to get a refund. Or write them and complain anyway.

..Unless there's a big damn waring on the packaging.

Back on topic:
I think 30 minutes under full pressure is good enough for plastic. The heat up time is around 15min (for me anyway) which is slow enough for the contents to keep up so to speak.
Given that you only really need 20 minutes at full tilt, if your PC really does 15psi, you have extra 10 minutes for the heat to penetrate. And then you have the cool down period.

But, if you have a smaller (gauge-less) PC ,the more common type actually, they usually only do around 13psi. So running an extra 10-15 minutes might be prudent.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Hobart Cutter]
    #18353499 - 06/01/13 12:50 PM (11 years, 30 days ago)

Take it from me, then. Don't buy the red-lid Rubbermaid brand containers. There's no problem with the plastic itself, only that it's TOO THIN. I had several split and break from knocking/shaking them after inoc.


Yeah shorter PC times are great! Bit, if you have a large PC and load it full of these containers, don't skimp on time… Go to 40-45min. Better safe than sorry, and from there you can experiment with trimming it down.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: BloodKil]
    #18353726 - 06/01/13 01:46 PM (11 years, 30 days ago)

Quote:


Next time your being pushy and asking for proof why don't you experiment a bit and learn something yourself, instead of asking for answers you will likely dismiss, or come back bitching about if you do something wrong and it doesn't work for you...






^ wouldnt that be the day!

seriously, alot of them dont have sterile skills.
this tek favors peeps with basic  bio lab knowledge.
therefore, the adoption curve, will mirror skill levels.



i PC fert agars, in polycarbs for 25-30 min @15 PSI
i PC fert RGS/ grains  in PP5 at 35-40 min 15 psi.
all my agar, done in polycarbs, grains done in PP5.

i use AA 910's, if i was using larger cookers,
id pry go 45-50 min @ 15 psi.

also, keep in mind, i use butane burners.
the time heat response, would not be the same with a hotplate.

this excellent tek, is the primary tek we use.
yes, it does require a certain amount of sterile skill.
and yes, mods are possible, but mods will vary yield.

not all PP5 containers are equal , and, not all PC's are either.
peeps may have to adjust these things to local conditions.

a way around this, is polycarbonate.
but, the vast majority of growers,
are unlikely, to consider that cost.




a PP5 op, is about the price of a good bicycle.
a polycarbonate op, about the price of a motorcycle.

know thy plastics,
plastics and recycling codes can be found on wikipedia.
learn the properties of what can and cant be used.

the really wise, would hunt for polycarbonate, as a recyclable.
hence, top notch plastics........at almost zero cost.

let us not forget, one of the keys in all this.
faster reliable PC times, saves time , fuel , splash heat, and IR.
plastics, are a part of that paradigm.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: anne halonium]
    #18366677 - 06/04/13 09:16 AM (11 years, 27 days ago)

Well, I got one simple and immediate advantage of grass seed. I discovered it yesterday. They can take a re-cook.

One of my bags went sweet and sour so I gave it another hour in the PC. No mush, and the moisture level was still good. Perhaps it dried a little.
Rye, corn and millet all tend to turn into porridge if you give them a second run. At least in my experience.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Hobart Cutter]
    #18367361 - 06/04/13 12:16 PM (11 years, 27 days ago)

^ it is possible with RGS.
but , not really recommended.

this tek is complex in subtle ways.
the idea of PP5 containers, rather than bags,
allows for a looser pack, and thinner distribution,
of the grain being PC'ed .
better and faster PC steam penetration,
means higher quality , and less contams.

less contams, less waste of energy and supply and time.

RGS, in large contianers, is actually hard to sterlize IMO.
small containers even spread in a PC, it sterilizes well.

the smell, of an RGS re cook, is something to consider.

ive tried bags with this tek, and RGS,
it was effective, but, the bacteria contam rate ,raised eyebrows,
and ,although bags favor well in cost for short runs,
bags do not have the survivability of the PP5 containers.



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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: anne halonium]
    #18371907 - 06/05/13 10:23 AM (11 years, 26 days ago)



Guess this goes to prove how many nutes are in grass seed. This is a few seeds that got stuck on the handle in a monotub.... amazing

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Blake_Shroom]
    #18371993 - 06/05/13 10:48 AM (11 years, 26 days ago)

^ the grow paradigm is shifting it seems.......



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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: anne halonium]
    #18374443 - 06/05/13 07:35 PM (11 years, 26 days ago)

update and questions..

so, a bunch of my RGS containers never fully colonized.. it was like the RGS dried up, however I did get a few to make it to the end and one is in fruiting now and has produced the most beautiful, thick mushies.

question:
how do I harvest the side pins with a casing layer on it?  With no casing layer i'd take it out of the container harvest, soak, and replace, but since we're bottom watering these, how do I harvest the side pins without destroying it?

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: bassclef]
    #18374488 - 06/05/13 07:42 PM (11 years, 26 days ago)

large tweezers.


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: anne halonium]
    #18375936 - 06/06/13 12:51 AM (11 years, 26 days ago)

It doesn't happen to me often, but when so I often remove the cakes then simply replace the water afterwards if they need it


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18378482 - 06/06/13 03:36 PM (11 years, 25 days ago)

harvested my first flush off my RGS container.. maybe 3.5g dried.  Bottom watered with distilled water and placed back into the GH.

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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: bassclef]
    #18378626 - 06/06/13 04:04 PM (11 years, 25 days ago)

That's multi-spore?

I wouldn't suggest distilled water. Use tap; running thru a water filter or the likes couldn't hurt but likely doesn't help much


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Re: Waste no grain, use no 'bulk'! •Seed & Plastic• a power Tek with a million reasons +bacteria&potency [Re: Violet]
    #18379175 - 06/06/13 05:59 PM (11 years, 25 days ago)

yes it was MS syringe inoculated.

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